Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 27

Your favorite Apple, iPhone, iPad, iOS, Jailbreak, and Cydia site.


Thread: Apple Strikes Back at Nokia, Demands Import Ban

  1. #1
    MMi Staff Writer Paul Daniel Ash's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Union Square, Somerville, Mass.
    Posts
    919
    Thanks
    6
    Thanked 995 Times in 401 Posts

    Default Apple Strikes Back at Nokia, Demands Import Ban


    Apple on Friday retaliated against Nokia's demand that the US International Trade Commission (ITC) ban all imports of iPhones by filing its own complaint with the ITC. Apple, similarly, wants to block imports of Nokia's phones to the US, claiming that they infringe Apple patents. Nokia insists it will "defend itself vigorously" against the complaint.

    The latest move in the escalating tit-for-tat conflict brings Apple even with Nokia. Nokia sued Apple in October, and Apple sued Nokia back. Nokia opened a broader lawsuit, saying that almost all Apple products incorporated some of Nokia's technology, including camera sensors and touchscreens, and called for an import ban of all iPhones - which are manufactured in China - to the US. Apple has accused Nokia of suing Apple because it couldn't compete fairly in the free market. Nokia, for its part, says that Apple has gotten a "free ride" on the Finnish phone maker's research and development efforts.

    Nokia will study the complaint when it is received and continue to defend itself vigorously. However, this does not alter the fact that Apple has failed to agree appropriate terms for using Nokia technology and has been seeking a free ride on Nokia's innovation since it shipped the first iPhone in 2007.
    Industry observers believe that this whole dispute boils down to an extremely byzantine negotiation over royalties that Nokia feels it is owed patents Nokia says are "essential" to using GSM, UMTS (the 3G technology used in the iPhone), and WiFi. Many other phone manufacturers have come to agreement with Nokia for what are referred to in the industry as "fair, reasonable, and non-discriminatory" licenses for the technology. The fact that Apple hasn't used its humungous mountain of cash to just make this conflict go away may indicate that Nokia is asking for too much in royalties, or that Apple is so confident of its position that it feels it can afford to play hardball.

    The ITC is the US government agency that investigates unfair trade practices like patent infringement. If it agrees to consider Apple’s complaint, it could complete the investigation in about 15 months. It has not yet agreed to investigate either Apple's complaint or Nokia's complaint, which was filed on December 29.

    image via Engadget
    Last edited by Paul Daniel Ash; 01-16-2010 at 11:51 AM.

  2. The Following User Says Thank You to Paul Daniel Ash For This Useful Post:

    TheSkepticalGuy (01-16-2010)

  3. #2
    CHUCK-TASTIC battlecrushr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Houston follow @al_da_beast
    Posts
    7,940
    Thanks
    273
    Thanked 1,034 Times in 956 Posts

    lets go appl;e




    Please know we are praying Kyle (poetic_folly) and Robyn Matthews for your little one.
    You too blkcadi
    Thank You.

  4. #3
    What's Jailbreak? TheSkepticalGuy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Non of your bussiness
    Posts
    9
    Thanks
    6
    Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
    This is going to get ugly.

  5. #4
    nokia lost my patronage when they decided to have language barrier for each region. e.g. i can't use chinese on a phone bought in usa. especially to access chinese and japanese websites.

    go apple!

  6. #5
    MMi's "X" Member awesomeSlayer's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Dragonspiral Tower in 3DS
    Posts
    4,524
    Thanks
    114
    Thanked 347 Times in 259 Posts

    More ugliness...Go Apple!
    Asking for help is different from being stupid. Fanboys can rot in @#$%!

  7. #6
    iPhone? More like MyPhone ty22's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Posts
    256
    Thanks
    26
    Thanked 10 Times in 7 Posts

    Plain and simple... Nokia's suck!!! They are taking up room on the shelves. Nokia just can't deal with the fact that they fail!

    Quote Originally Posted by pauldanielash View Post

    Industry observers believe that this whole dispute boils down to an extremely byzantine negotiation over royalties that Nokia feels it is owed patents Nokia says are "essential" to using GSM, UMTS (the 3G technology used in the iPhone), and WiFi.
    Oh so thats why the iPhone's reception sucks and the wifi drains the battery.
    Last edited by ty22; 01-16-2010 at 03:45 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

  8. #7
    Livin the iPhone Life
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Irvine, CA
    Posts
    1,151
    Thanks
    17
    Thanked 88 Times in 72 Posts

    Figures.
    I love seeing big companies fight each other.
    If you can not win the fight, bring more allegations and lawsuits to over burden the courts. Not only will it hide the guilt from observers, it also create cost hoping the other guy will drop the charges.
    I hope Apple loses, Judge award Nokia with lots of money include percentage of all the previous and all future sales of Apple product (include tablet). Maybe Apple will develop their own technology for what they need.

    Quote Originally Posted by ty22 View Post
    Plain and simple... Nokia's suck!!! They are taking up room on the shelves. Nokia just can't deal with the fact that they fail!



    Oh so thats why the iPhone's reception sucks and the wifi drains the battery.
    Without Nokia iPhone would not exist.
    If it drains the battery so much why don't you tell Apple not use it. Basically become ipod without phone and wifi support, would developers still chose ipod to make apps on? Doubt it because the equipment would not be as popular as now, not much users not much sales for apps.
    Would you choose ipod over Nokia's phones? I can honestly say I would not own 1 apple product if that happens.
    Last edited by unison999; 01-16-2010 at 04:23 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

  9. #8
    iPhone? More like MyPhone ty22's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Posts
    256
    Thanks
    26
    Thanked 10 Times in 7 Posts

    Quote Originally Posted by unison999 View Post
    Without Nokia iPhone would not exist.
    Explain?

  10. #9
    Previously Known as A.T MetallicaFan1991's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Manchester, UK
    Posts
    1,582
    Thanks
    188
    Thanked 111 Times in 94 Posts

    Quote Originally Posted by ty22 View Post
    Explain?
    Well Nokia made phones before Apple and if Nokia are suing Apple for infringement, Apple must have stolen some ideas from Nokia.

    This patent war is pretty stupid and childish in my opinion, I just think all these companies are jealous of the iPhone but I still like Nokia.

    MBP 15" 2.66Ghz Core 2 Duo Nvidia 9400M 9600GT 256MB OS X 10.6.4 Windows 7 June 2009
    iPhone 4 August 28th

  11. #10
    me thinks someone at both companies just needs a hug.....you can't really blame S. Jobs for stealing from another company, he had the master as his teacher (willy G)
    Neo Style by k.nitsua....early front runner for THEME OF THE YEAR

    Now in a dead heat with liveOS c/o bluemetal....

    Let us all welcome the newest fighter to the TOTY ring...iNavHD c/o reeco

  12. #11
    iPhone? More like MyPhone
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Mesa, AZ
    Posts
    146
    Thanks
    2
    Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts

    interesting...

  13. #12
    Livin the iPhone Life
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Irvine, CA
    Posts
    1,151
    Thanks
    17
    Thanked 88 Times in 72 Posts

    Quote Originally Posted by A.T View Post
    Well Nokia made phones before Apple and if Nokia are suing Apple for infringement, Apple must have stolen some ideas from Nokia.

    This patent war is pretty stupid and childish in my opinion, I just think all these companies are jealous of the iPhone but I still like Nokia.
    Other phone company pays Nokia and give credit where it is due why won't apple? Apple patents bunch of stuff from what I see on the home screen in this site, so they believes in patents protecting them...
    So basically Apple believes "protect my patents and screw all others".

    Quote Originally Posted by ty22 View Post
    Explain?
    Nokia: Everything Apple Makes Infringes Our Patents
    Read that one for the accusations.
    If you read further they even reluctantly admit that they did it by saying "Nokia had not offered fair licensing terms".
    Last edited by unison999; 01-16-2010 at 09:43 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

  14. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by ty22 View Post
    Explain?
    Nokia holds patents for GSM implementation among other things. Apple is using that technology, but is not paying for a license, since they don't like the license terms.

    If it wasn't for Nokia, I think the iPhone would still exist, but not on AT&T, and it would be CDMA / EVDO.

  15. #14
    Livin the iPhone Life
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Irvine, CA
    Posts
    1,151
    Thanks
    17
    Thanked 88 Times in 72 Posts

    Quote Originally Posted by bengo View Post
    Nokia holds patents for GSM implementation among other things. Apple is using that technology, but is not paying for a license, since they don't like the license terms.

    If it wasn't for Nokia, I think the iPhone would still exist, but not on AT&T, and it would be CDMA / EVDO.
    They will have to use GSM sooner or later, if it is not the U.S. market they will need it for foreign market.
    They should just pay the license fee and everyone would be happy.
    Last edited by unison999; 01-16-2010 at 10:03 PM.

  16. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by unison999 View Post
    They will have to use GSM sooner or later, if it is not the U.S. market they will need it for foreign market.
    They should just pay the license fee and everyone would be happy.
    Of course they should. Everyone else is! But of course, Apple think they're better than anyone else and the rules don't apply to them. If they don't like the license fee, move to CDMA!

  17. #16
    15 months. we will have an iphone 5Gs by then
    killall Terminal[]

  18. #17
    The ONLY reason that apple would file this suit is to muddy the waters and drag out the decision long enough to get another launch day off before having to pay the fees.

    Smart play, but its still a **** move.
    EVGA P55LE Mobo/Core [email protected]/Corsair H50
    8GB Corsair Donimator DDR3 1600/Radeon 5870
    2x 150 Raptors in Raid 0/2 TB Caviar for storage
    Denon AVR 590 Reciever
    46" Sony KDL-XBR9

  19. #18
    iPhoneaholic
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Near Worcester MA
    Posts
    329
    Thanks
    40
    Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts

    Quote Originally Posted by rhekt View Post
    15 months. we will have an iphone 5Gs by then
    I don't think it matters if the 5G or 10g is out, the infringement is still occurred.

  20. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by bruinsrme View Post
    I don't think it matters if the 5G or 10g is out, the infringement is still occurred.
    It still occurred, but if they are on iPhone 5.0 or something, thats 5 revisions of iPhones that they wouldnt have had to pay the royalties on. I doubt that the ruling in Nokia's favor will include all the previous iPhones sold before said ruling. Its not often that fees are made retroactive covering that amount of time.
    EVGA P55LE Mobo/Core [email protected]/Corsair H50
    8GB Corsair Donimator DDR3 1600/Radeon 5870
    2x 150 Raptors in Raid 0/2 TB Caviar for storage
    Denon AVR 590 Reciever
    46" Sony KDL-XBR9

  21. #20
    I'm rooting for Nokia here. Apple uses its patents as weapons against other companies. That's the reason the Droid can't be sold in the US with a multitouch web browser. It's about time somebody showed Apple what it's like when someone else tries to stifle their product's technology with patent law. Apple is about as evil as it gets with patents.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Posting Permissions
  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •