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12-11-2009, 01:05 PM #81
AT&T & T-Mobile were about the same for me. I'm in the Chicago area and I don't really have any problems -- your mileage may vary.
But from a sales and marketing standpoint, it was the same cr@p that pissed me off about Comcast: don't market and sell an 'unlimited' service if it aint gonna be UNLIMITED. If they want to put caps, or cell it at different rates -- cool. All they need to do is change the plan to something that they figure the 'good' or 'reasonable' customers will never hit. And then if you go over that, you pay $0.0xx/KB -- basically offer people access to the same data rate plans they offer for international roaming, but maybe higher caps and slightly lower rates.
It would be honest and up front and you would know what you are getting into, and it would give them a tool to discourage high bandwidth usage.
I'm not saying I like it, I'm just saying I don't see why they couldn't do it that way. They may have to grandfather certain people based on the language of the contract, but eventually all contracts would contain the language so they can make changes every 30 days, two weeks, or whatever they think they can get away with.
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12-11-2009, 01:49 PM #82
Wow. People really have their feathers ruffled over this. How much data do you really need to have every month? Who really comes close to what AT&T considers questionable?
I think they should throttle bandwidth hogs until they finish upgrading their towers.
Drop this many iPhones on any other carrier's network and it will crumble. AT&T is looking out for us and people are b!tch!n.
12-11-2009, 01:58 PM #83
In short, if I signed a contract for "Unlimited" data, I would expect nothing less than "unlimited" data.
12-11-2009, 02:03 PM #84
I understand that unlimited means unlimited, but when the iPhone data package rolled out their wasn't squat out there that would let you stream movies, music, etc to your phone. AT&T is adjusting "some" peoples usage...not everyone.
9 out of 10 people reading this will never have to worry about it because you simply do not use that much data browsing the web, emailing, etc.
12-11-2009, 02:40 PM #85
Besides the 3G speed, I'll bet Apple's regretting their decision to go with AT&T a little more than when the papers were signed.
12-11-2009, 04:12 PM #86
The current AT&T data plan page.
The part that caught my eye was the note was the caveat placed above "Domestic Included Data Limit." For those who don't want to read, please see the quote below.
10. See Wireless Data Service Terms and Conditions for further details on prohibited/permissible uses and usage limits.
Here comes the giant wall of T&C that you all agreed to when signing up for data plans! I've taken the liberty of quoting and bolding the most important parts for people who don't care to click links and read all of the pages of the AT&T Wireless Data Service Terms and Conditions.
Prohibited and Permissible Uses:
Except as may otherwise be specifically permitted or prohibited for select data plans, data sessions may be conducted only for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email, and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management, sales force, and field service automation).
While most common uses for Intranet browsing, email and intranet access are permitted by your data plan, there are certain uses that cause extreme network capacity issues and interference with the network and are therefore prohibited. Examples of prohibited uses include, without limitation, the following:
server devices or host computer applications, including, but not limited to, Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic data feeds, automated machine to machine connections or peer to peer (P2P) file sharing; (ii) as a substitute or backup for private lines, landlines or full-time or dedicated data connections;any activity that adversely affects the ability of other people or systems to use either AT&T's wireless services or other parties' Internet based resources, including "denial of service" (DDoS) attacks against another network host or individual user;software or other devices that maintain continuous active Internet connections when a computer's connection would otherwise be idle or any "keep alive" functions, unless they adhere to AT&T's data retry requirements, which may be changed from time to time.downloading movies using P2P file sharing services, redirecting television signals for viewing on Personal Computers, web broadcasting, and/or for the operation of servers, telemetry devices and/or Supervisory Control and Data Acquisition devices is prohibited.Furthermore, plans(unless specifically designated for tethering usage) cannot be used for any applications that tether the device (through use of, including without limitation, connection kits, other phone/PDA to computer accessories, Bluetooth® or any other wireless technology) to Personal Computers (including without limitation, laptops), or other equipment for any purpose.
Here was the kicker on the end of the terms. I think that everyone should be reading this and understanding that there is essentially no leg to stand on in some type of class action lawsuit if AT&T began enforcing a policy against prohibited usage.
Accordingly, AT&T reserves the right to (i) deny, disconnect, modify and/or terminate Service, without notice, to anyone it believes is using the Service in any manner prohibited or whose usage adversely impacts its wireless network or service levels or hinders access to its wireless network, including without limitation, after a significant period of inactivity or after sessions of excessive usage and (ii) otherwise protect its wireless network from harm, compromised capacity or degradation in performance, which may impact legitimate data flows.
In closing, the people who believe that unlimited is truly unlimited are sorely mistaken. You need to (wo)man up and live up to this holy document that you believe is going to lead to a million end user class-action lawsuit. Each and every one of the people complaining about the possibility of being reigned in now know what rules you agreed to when purchasing your phone.
Ignorance is not an excuse, nor is it bliss.
12-11-2009, 04:24 PM #87
Awesome post. Of course, it will not deter morons from making uninformed comments.
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12-12-2009, 02:59 AM #91
Unlimited internet browsing on your phone is not the same as tethering sand data streaming which are prohibited by the T&C (see above). That's like saying you should be able to use your phone under water - otherwise AT&T are 'limiting' your usage to above water only...
Did you rad the T&C you signed up for?He who asks a question looks foolish for 5 minutes. He who doesn't ask a question remains foolish forever.
12-12-2009, 08:55 AM #92
NO you can not. It is a free country to some extents, but it has Constitution (restriction).
Btw Great post, TooSlo. Thanks.
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12-16-2009, 02:19 AM #93
Whatever happened to "unlimited"?! Whatever it takes to make a quick buck... these people are pathetic...
12-16-2009, 09:54 AM #94
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12-16-2009, 10:46 AM #96
I say bring it on AT&T. If they change my TOS I've got myself an unlocked 3GS with no contract... that would be sweet. For this reason there's no way AT&T will change their TOS. This would only be for new contracts.
12-17-2009, 07:46 PM #97