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05-04-2009, 04:49 AM #41
Cracked Apps are the Issue
I don't want cracked apps...I want useful apps that the AppStore does not provide...
05-04-2009, 06:13 AM #42
Let me start out by saying I have jailbroken my iPod, and shall continue to fight to keep it jailbroken, whether the process is illegal or not.
What I DO oppose is the piracy. Some of the decent app store apps out there are made by teenagers. For some developers, it is their livelihood. And some people are stealing from them.
It's MY PHONE!!! If I wanna throw it up against the wall and break it then so be it.
If I wanna install hacked pirated apps on my phone then OH WELL!
It needs to be established with Apple and the MPAA/RIAA that jailbreaking is seperate from piracy. Jailbreakers aren't all pirates.
05-04-2009, 06:33 AM #43
In fact, if I didn't have a jailbroken ipod I never would have gotten interested in app programming and I certainly wouldn't have bought a macbook to program on.
So at least in my particular case Apple wouldn't have sold me any products at all without the existence of jailbreak.
05-04-2009, 07:40 AM #44
05-04-2009, 08:10 AM #45
jailbreaking is great and has allowed us to do many things (that were promised).
but i think the biggest perk is to customize and make it YOURphone!
lets say apple decides to allow apps so that you can change the theme on your phone. buy it like a ring tone for $2.00 or even $3.00 and everything is that theme. like ps3 the themes are awesome and only like $3.00. i would looovvveee it even more!
05-04-2009, 10:58 AM #46
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05-04-2009, 11:43 AM #47
Give us phones/touches that you can customize, and I won't need to jail break, seems simple enough don't you think? I didn't jail break to hack games or to change how my touch works, I just wanted to make it MINE, and not be limited to changing the lock screen background as my only means of customization.
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05-04-2009, 11:55 AM #48
first of all jailbreaking, and cracking app store apps are 2 completely different things. if this would all go through the way we want it and jailbreaking would be legal, there is no way that apple or anyone else would support cracking apps. these are 2 totally different topics. but what i just wanted to say was that if it wasnt for jailbreaking i probably would not have bought a 3g iphone after i had my jailbroken 1st gen iphone. i think it is rediculous how apple puts the lock on what we can and can't do with the phones that we paid for. and if it wasnt for the devs, that figured out how to do that for us, i probably would have bought a different phone. im sure im not the only one that feels this way.
so basically if it wasnt for jailbreaking apple would have lost money.
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05-04-2009, 02:41 PM #49
Even if they do make jailbreaking illegal, people will still jailbreak LOL. Maybe they will do it more often then. Most people I know who have iPhones have no idea what jailbreaking is and it being made illegal will make it so that nearly everyone will know what it is. It will probably be on the news.
05-04-2009, 03:01 PM #50
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05-04-2009, 05:11 PM #53
I think one thing that people need to realize before getting on their high horse about how we shouldn't crack apps because that is stealing and it will cause devs to not produce apps is that most people who decide to used cracked apps wouldn't have purchased the app in the first place. The only reason they are installing the cracked app is because they can. If they couldn't, they would simply live without it.
Does this mean that I am for piracy? No. What it does mean is that I am not naive enough to think that if 1 million people download a cracked app, and that cracked app is no longer available, then that app will see 1 million new buyers. In reality the number of buys would be in the hundreds, if that. Yes, that is a bit of more profit, but really not enough to make a damn bit of difference in the long run.
I am also going to say that I, personally, do not have a soft spot for the people who say that their app is their livelihood. It's a small niche market that is not going to last forever. If you dropped everything you were doing in hopes to get rich quick in the appstore market you are a fool. If you make a GOOD app, regardless of sales, you will have that app on your resume. If you are worth hiring to a project that is bigger and better, that will happen, regardless of your numbers. Furthermore, if you make a GOOD app, people will buy it. Notice it is the people making apps that sell a couple hundred that are complaining. The creators of apps selling thousands upon thousands could care less, simply because they made a good enough app to be worth buying anyway.
I know, to some these views may be harsh, but sit down and think for a minute. They are completely realistic.
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05-04-2009, 05:31 PM #54
From a legal standpoint, I don't exactly see what legs apple has to stand on. I mean they're a fortune 500 company so they obviously have the means to take a shot at it, whats a a couple hundred thousand dollars in legal fees to them in reality?
However, they are selling a good, not a service or anything that could have the legality of it's manipulation determined arbitrarily. Which I would argue, once somebody purchases any good, it is solely their property, and they therefore have the right to do whatever they want with it, but they cannot expect apple to fix or even care about a device that's been tampered with in that manner (and I doubt any of us do).
The app store is still accessable in jailbroken and unlocked iphones, and users still have the option of using it to download apps. Apple's goal was to make a phone that was more similar to a computer than ever before, well they got what they wanted, freeware, shareware and all. Be careful what you wish for.
cracked apps, yes I can see where you would want to fight that. However jailbreaking and downloading cracked apps are not the same thing. Jailbreaking is not piracy and thats all there is to it, I see no way that anyone can put together an argument on the illegality of jailbreaking.
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05-04-2009, 06:53 PM #55
What I think . . .
As far as I remember it, Apple is not opposed to jailbreaking for the reason of customization. It's because of the reverse engineering used that "possibly" uses the copywriten code designed by Apple.
I can see them being able to stand their own on that. If, in fact, jailbreaking uses Apple's code it could be illegal to jailbreak because you are willingly and knowingly engaging in copyright infringement when installing the "new" code on your phone. I myself applied the jailbreak to my phone before ever even adding contacts to it.
Don't get me wrong, I think jailbreaking should never be illegal. I think Apple should follow in the footsteps of the G1 and open their code to developers to increase the scope of possible innovation.
As far as pirating/cracking apps or installing said apps, that is just plain illegal. No doubts.
I don't claim to know any more about legal proceedings than the average Joe so somebody please correct me if I am wrong.
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05-04-2009, 07:29 PM #56
It doesn't matter anyway.... as long as open source developers are willing to create the jailbreak software and third party programs there will always be millions of people willing to use it. No one likes being told what they can or can not do with their own property and sooner or later companies like Apple and the MPAA will come to terms with that and realize that people who are inclined to pay for their products will anyway, regardless of the legalities. Companies selling used movies, software and music cost the movie, music and software industry more than filesharing does since it is "legal" and more wide spread and since they don't have to pay the manufacturers anything (as far as I know).
Plus... the iPhone is basically a PocketMac and since computers aren't restricted as to what you are allowed to put on it, the iPhones should be treated the same.
05-05-2009, 12:08 AM #57
seriously if they are worried about jailbreaking out-programming them and their product why not hire the devs who create the jailbreaks and all the programs that make the phone that much better? its what the government does with high-end hackers. don't become enemies if there is opportunity to work together to make something better.
05-05-2009, 02:24 AM #58
it'll only get more popular if they allow it... daam you apple!
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05-05-2009, 12:07 PM #59
I think this sums it up quite nicely Oh no! Complicated stuff!: Apple needs to play cat and mouse with pirates, not jailbreakersHe who asks a question looks foolish for 5 minutes. He who doesn't ask a question remains foolish forever.
05-05-2009, 06:22 PM #60
Ha! I wonder how many Apple employees have a jailbroken iphone?