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Originally Posted by him121213 ^^^ he wasnt pointing fingers at any of us who pay for our apps he was simply directing it towards all of the ungrateful pos who...
03-08-2009, 12:06 AM #121
03-08-2009, 12:41 PM #122
You know, the biggest problem with this whole DRM thing concerning music, is that it has been so perverted from it's original intention.
Back when groups like BMI, ASCAP, and SESCAP were created, their intentions were to protect the composers of music from their creations being stolen...
Stolen not in "Downloading", Stolen not in "Nicking a Record from the store", but Stolen as PLAGERISM.
What was happening is that composers were writing music, and then other composers (we'll call them cover bands for lack of any better term) were taking the compositions, playing them in bars and clubs and marketing them as their own. This in turn hurt the original composer because their music was being stolen, literally, poorly played, and their reputations were getting tarnished because when people found out who's music it really was, they weren't hearing it as it was supposed to and figured that the composer wasn't all that great to begin with and in turn chose not to hire them.
Sadly, the law was twisted and perverted and accepted to the nonsense that it is today. Clearchannel controls the radio, the RIAA controls Clearchannel, The Record companies control the RIAA (mostly). All music has to be "licensed" so that the RIAA can, in the guise of "protecting" the artist, can continue to be the multimillion dollar non profit organization that it is.
Last edited by boe_dye; 03-09-2009 at 01:03 AM.Herp a derp a derp a doooo!
03-08-2009, 08:21 PM #123
03-09-2009, 01:03 AM #124
I just need to ask,
But when you paid for every single song, software, and application...
Out of all those songs that you bought, minus the ones that you purchased in a digital download format via iTunes or Amazon.com medium, how many of those CD's did you purchase brand new from the store?Herp a derp a derp a doooo!
03-09-2009, 10:48 AM #125
03-09-2009, 12:02 PM #126
Wow!! This thread has made for interesting reading this Monday morning/afternoon. My opinion has changed with every post I have read. Ok, in the beginning before there was even an app store, what was the main reason people jailbroke their phone/ipod? Was it so you could customize your phone to look/sound that way you wanted it to or was it to add a new app. to your phone? I think the majority of people jailbroke their phones so they could customize it the way they wanted to. But by doing this you needed to add certain apps (some hidden from sight, others had their own icons on the homescreens). So, the true reason jailbreaking was started was to add certain applications which could in turn be used to customize the phone.
Fast forward a little bit......Apple sees how many people are jailbreaking their phones to add new, cool, apps to their phones so they can have the best looking/sounding/functioning phone on the block and in return Apple creates the App Store to counter the jailbreaking going on. Then what happens next, most if not all the apps seen in the App Store start showing up in Cydia/Installer. Why?? Because people dont want to pay Apple a dime.
So it is very ironic that now the ones that were offering the same apps the App Store had for free are trying to charge for them now. So what will happen next, a new free installer/cydia ripoff will be created since the Cydia Store seems to be coming.
Bottom line is the economy EVERYWHERE is struggling. It is naive to think that people will not try to find a way to get something for free when they have the means to pay for it. All the fools on these forums who say "Stop being cheap" or "You bought an Apple product so you must have money" STFU!!!! You can not speak on a person's behalf. Maybe a year ago when they got their phone they had a job or extra cash but to say that you must have money now since you bought a phone in the past year is bull!! I have a job, plenty of money, and I still dont want to pay for anything if I can get it for free. Dont get me wrong, I have paid for apps from the app store and will probably pay for apps from this new Cydia Store crap but I will not like it. But honestly, if I offered to get you a new MacBook Pro (and we all know they are not cheap) for free, are you going to say no thank you and use your money to buy one at full price or are you going to take the free computer? And if you say you would buy one at full price, then I have some swamp land to sell you that can be used for growing crops and I'll sell it to you for a good price!!
03-09-2009, 12:56 PM #127
Do you have how much money I would spend in a day if I donated to every single thing that I use?
SomaFM, Sabayon Linux, Firefox themes and addons, Windowblinds themes, Backgrounder, Poof, Winterboard themes, every single app that is freely given, that was initially created for the person whom created it, and then shared with the rest of the world.
Every app that is in existence started as a self-serving tool to fill a void in the eyes of the developer. They wanted to create it. They saw a need for something. They freely created it for themselves and then in turns figured that someone else was going to see the same need, and decided to share it freely.
And then turn around and ask for a donation...
That is like me going to the people who's computers I fix for free, and asking them to donate money to me cause I volunteered to do something.
Volunteering your time and effort means exactly what it means. You are not hired, you are not randomly selected, you stood up and said "i'll do it for FREE!".
And then turn around and say, "oh yeah, could you donate something to me!". Nothing personal towards anyone, but donations are meant to go to a cause. Something that benefits the poor and downtrodden, not people who obviously have enough for a 2000 dollar Macbook Pro or a 5000 dollar Mac Desktop.
If you want to sell something, then fine sell something. If you want to give it away freely, then don't waste your time asking for donations! You chose to give it away! What did you expect that you were going to his some soft spot in my heart because you threw "donate" up in the header?
It's like the South Park app that showed up on Cydia. My first thought was that it connected to the South Park website where the shows are posted for free. And then when it went down and the Dev started saying "oh it's gonna cost me X dollars for a new server, and out of 100000 people on a few people donated...". Sorry, but what did you honestly expect?
And the economy? The economy is only bad because people are too damned scared to go out and spend money anymore. That is the reason and the sole reason the economy sucks right now. And it's not every where in America right now either.
In my region of Western PA, the economy is fine and stable. People are still spending, People still have jobs, and we are just fine and dandy.
The only reason the economy is "bad", is because people keep watching the news, freaking out at 8.2% jobless claims, and not even consider that it also means 91.8% EMPLOYED WORKING INDIVIDUALS!
Look in the end, if dev's want to officially say give me a dollar for the app that I created, then let them. Good for them. But don't come down on my head because you might think I am "cheap" in saying I don't want to pay for something that yesterday might have cost me nothing.Herp a derp a derp a doooo!
03-09-2009, 02:22 PM #128
03-09-2009, 03:25 PM #129
Installer was created to customize, Cydia was created to be an upgraded version of Installer, the App. Store was created to be a the 'official Apple' version of Installer and Cydia, and now the Cydia Store is being created to be the 'unofficial Apple' version of the App. Store!!! Like I said, I will buy an app from Cydia if it is good and not offered on the App. Store for cheaper. But lets face it, Installer/Cydia was free, the App. Store came along with their prices (regardless if they cost $.99 or $9.99) and has basically forced Cydia to create a 'Cydia Store', what makes you think that someone else wont come along and create another free version of cydia?
And as a specific example of apps found for free on both the App Store and Cydia are Pipeline on the App Store and Pushr in cydia. I find both useful for sending pictures taken with the phone to my Flickr acct. Both are free, and are useful (for me anyway, dont really care about you) and with Pipeline you can send the videos taken with cycorder to your flickr acct as well (but to send the videos you need another free app from cydia called PPVideoEnabler). Again, to each his/her own. So dont make blanketed statements about usefulness because every iphone owner has their own definition of 'useful'.
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03-09-2009, 05:24 PM #130
People are getting sooo upset about the Cydia change when the fact is....if a dev wanted to charge for his work, most likely he already is. Sure, Im guessing there will be a percentage that take advantage of this and start charging....but for the most part, or until something actually happens, people really need to chill.
03-09-2009, 11:02 PM #131
Okay... so technically speaking mobile finder was on installer first and under GNU before it went to appstore, but the point is still that you can find duplicate things here and there..Herp a derp a derp a doooo!
03-12-2009, 06:20 PM #132
ok just a question,because im confused,were is this cidya store,is it just on the iphone,or is there a link?
03-13-2009, 03:42 AM #133
03-13-2009, 09:55 AM #134
the cydia store i believe is just cydia like it normally is but u can purchase the apps through cydia without having to go to an outside website to purchase the app
03-27-2009, 06:56 PM #135
Does anyone know if after purchasing an app from the store and then doing an OS Update or a Restore, what happens to the bought app?
03-29-2009, 07:30 AM #136
03-30-2009, 05:51 AM #137
Thanks ajl - did just that and got a short reply of NO never have to pay for it again, so am assuming it -re-installs itself once Cydia is fired up on an update and/or restore..
06-29-2009, 02:18 AM #138
10-22-2009, 07:50 AM #139