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02-17-2009, 08:22 PM #241
02-17-2009, 08:29 PM #242
How the hell can they find out if you jailbreak? and what are they gonna do???
02-17-2009, 09:17 PM #243
Apple, how can you possibly treat your customers and, dare I say, fans this way? I love your products, but I hate you!Does this rag smell like chloroform to you?
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02-17-2009, 10:02 PM #244
Apple trying to DESTROY it customer base in a recession. Well done APPLE see you in bankruptcy
02-17-2009, 10:55 PM #245
one where america laws don't apply...
like China for example.
Hell, do what isohunt did, and move the server to Canada.
The last one was when Ubuntu became wildly popular. It just so happened that it happened was when I was getting back into computers, and like every other geek out there at one time or another, I wanted to try linux to see if it really would kill MS or Apple.
And sure enough, it does alot of cool things on hardware older then dirt. Cool things that you still can't do on a PC or Mac, but you can't do the things that everyone else does like sync your iPhone.
Yes, I know there is WINE, and no it doesn't like iTunes 8, and yes I do play with Sabayon Linux, none of that Ubuntu Crap which is what I started with, and the end result is that the average normal computer user is too lazy to figure out how Windows works. Do you honestly think they feel like figuring out "apt-get" or "entropy"?
Linux is fun for us who have made windows do everthing that we want, and are too damn cheap or poor to play with OS X.
1) A good chunk of the developers that are in the appstore started out with free apps on Cydia and Installer.
2) When you have new articles telling us that some developers have made 6 figures in a year with an app, I find it very hard to believe that anyone is struggling for funding.
Another iPhone app developer making some serious cash
(great game btw)
3) Apple is already making 160 dollars more with the 3g iPhone because they pulled a Kansas City Shuffle with the numbers and made the initial cost cheaper, but the data plan higher.
IPhone 3G: iPhone 3G's True Price Compared
So I'm not offended because of any of these reasons, I am offended because a company that during the 1983 Super Bowl said that 1984 wouldn't be like 1984 if you bought their product, and here it is 20 some odd years later, and they are acting just like the "Big Blue" that they fought so hard against.
Jailbreaking voids your warranty anyways, therefore what they should do instead of blindly handing out a new/refurbed iPhone to every single person who comes back crying the blues that their phone is bricked because they did something stupid, is that they should keep better tabs and records, and not honor the broken warrenty to those that broke it.
It really wouldn't even be that hard either. Doing a factory restore, or a recovery does NOT fully wipe away certain modifications. Certain things like if you change the carrier logo, stay with the phone.
So all they would need to do is plug the phone into their own version of an ODB2 and run a diagnostic. Fill out some paperwork, and then hand over a new phone.
If it's legit, then give them a new phone. If it's not, have them pay a 40 dollar service charge.
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02-17-2009, 11:01 PM #246it s my iphone
it s my iphone and I use it how i want to, use it how i want to, use it how i want to
you would have to if.
02-17-2009, 11:18 PM #247
If you purchase a PC for anywhere that whether it be Dell, or HP, or eMachine, anytime you crack open the case you automatically void the warranty.
That's why they have that shiny little sticker on the seam of the case and the cover.
You can load up whatever software you want, they expect that, but because the normal consumer isn't intelligent enough to know the difference between RAM and a CPU, they figure it's just best to say "take it to an authorized repair center".
Remember building your own, and buying your own is a separate issue
...And because of that we have the saying "hardware hacking, how to have Phun while VOIDING your warranty".
Sue old woman, and children and printers and corpses...
Go "Woe is me, I'm a poor little rich kid".
As far as finding out? That's not hard. Update to the latest iTunes, send out an update to your device in the update that sends information back to them. Kind of like windows OBE registration.
It really wouldn't be all that hard. Same way how they embedded Safari as part of their update package and how many people updated not knowing fully well what they were getting into.
You gotta remember, how many people just jailbreak their phone cause it's the cool hip thing to do. There are thousands of people who really have no clue, and don't think about reading anything as far as TuTs or forums, or whatever.
They just blindly point and click, and do whatever the happy trustworthy box tells them to do.
Not when you can substantiate a company by selling what they would consider a low end laptop for 2000 dollars.
Besides, the whole illegal jailbreaking only affects people like you and me and Steve Wozniak.
Steve Jobs isn't going to lose sleep over a few hackers and crackers compared to the multimillions he's made on the normal population.
Remember, there was no Jailbreaking when iPhone launched. No appstore, no cydia, no anything. It was just the iPhone and the Apple brand name, and lines of people eagerly awaiting outside of stores the nite before launch.
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02-18-2009, 12:12 AM #248
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02-18-2009, 12:25 AM #249
02-18-2009, 06:13 AM #250
I once prayed to God for an iPhone, but quickly found out He didn't work that way...so I stole an iPhone and prayed for His forgiveness.
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02-18-2009, 07:28 AM #251
Just my 2P worth..
Jailbreak breaks the Apple T & Cs..
That tho does not make it unlawful (illegal is a sick bird ;-))
In OZ and NZ I belive the iPhone can't be locked to one network because that breaks local competition laws....
And in Eu I don't know even thought I live there. But seriously, unless you take your device in for service (or accidentally 'UPGRADE' haha) by iTunes WTF can they do..
Apple and Micro$oft are as bad as each other.
Apple do make really cool devices but then screw up by locking it down (like the bluetooth etc.. which is being worked on also..)
02-18-2009, 09:20 AM #252
Why are people getting so angry over Apple claiming that jailbreaking is illegal, it was illegal a year ago aswell, if anybody read the iPhone software agreements, they would have realized. Like I said in the beginning of this thread,the only reason Apple has brought this up now is because of the amount of crackers and people using cracked apps. Mainly due to Cr*ckul**s and Inst*l***s!!! I use them sometimes, if it weren't for Inst*l***s, I wouldn't have bought some of the apps of App Store anyway.
I blame Apple for making the apps soooo easy to crack, even I figured out how to crack them before Cra**ul**s were released. Since jailbreaking is the key to installing crack apps, Apple must be really angry!
02-18-2009, 10:31 AM #253
bring it on i say ^^ , i dont live in the us and i have 2.2.1 jailbroken iphone and we dont have an apple center in our country but we do have a law every phone must be unlocked because we pay every month for the service (Lebanon ^^)
02-18-2009, 10:39 AM #254
Actually, Jaibreaking is not in and of it's self illegal, now it MAY void you warranty; however, I think there could be a legitimate case made that it doesn't. Again, back to the car analogy, if you change the radio in your car and your transmission goes out, the dealer can't say that the warranty is invalid because you changed the radio, they can say that the radio is no longer under their warranty (unless they did the work of course).
The same with Jailbreaking, I think it would be up to Apple to prove that the Jailbreaking was the source of the problem before denying warranty service.
With Jailbreaking, you are not illegally copying anything (you are using Firmware Downloads, which are freely available from Apple directly for free). All you are doing is modifying firmware, which resides on your computer with software, which has also been made freely available by the Dev Team or other sources.
Now downloading of Firmware that has already been modified may be questionable, as that is firmware that you didn't modify on your own computer.
02-18-2009, 10:45 AM #255
02-18-2009, 10:50 AM #256
cool now i get a rush every time i turn my screen on in public.
02-18-2009, 12:45 PM #257
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02-18-2009, 03:07 PM #259
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I just want to add one additional point. Saying something is prohibited in the T&C does not make enforceable. It's no different than signing a homeowners agreement in a gated community. There are a ton of things in those agreements that are not enforceable in court. There only purpose is to curb behavior. I honestly think Apple knows that they will have a hard fight and would possibly lose the battle over jailbreaking. This is likely the reason they have turned a cheek to it for so long.
02-18-2009, 04:52 PM #260
All Apple can do is Take away the App Store, that’s fine with me makes for more underground apps to play anyway even though some are starting to charge as well, so either way we get screwed when it come to apps, but as far as me customizing my phone to look and feel the way I want is totally preposterous. As many have said before the Apps in the App store, most of them are overpriced and are not good Apps at all. Apple just wants to have a Monopoly over everything, like Microsoft does, don’t they realize if they stop trying to restrict things there would be no reason for people to hack their phones and software? I mean its common sense lol.
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