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02-16-2009, 05:28 AM #201
He who asks a question looks foolish for 5 minutes. He who doesn't ask a question remains foolish forever.
02-16-2009, 05:52 AM #202
I am going to assume that you are referring to ********* and **********. Both are found on Cydia, so it should be allright to reference them for the sake of educated discussion.
Yes, I will admit 2 things. When I first saw them, I was a bit surprised that they actually went as far as they did for the ease of use. Traditionally, hacking and cracking, at least in this case is usually reserved for the mentality of "yes we know where it is, we know how to get it, but we don't talk about it."
That's why the mods on just about every forum have a strict policy about posting warez and links to torrents and so on.
If you want something bad enough in that realm the answer is usually "the usual places". If you don't know the usual places, then you like the rest of us, need to figure it out for yourself.
So yes, i thought it was a bit much. and a bit over board.
Secondly, yes, I myself did install these apps just to play, and yes I did play around with them for about a day or so. In all honesty ********** made a huge mess of my phone and I couldn't sync or do anything right until I removed all the offending items.
Now, heres the deal.
(and I am going to parallel this with another example)
Did you know that when the constitution of the united states was drafted that there were some members who felt that there should not be a bill of rights because they believed that things so obvious don't need to be spelled out?
It is true. Why should I have to write down things like "freedom of the press", or "the right to keep and bear arms", or the right to pray to whatever God you want to?
These things are inherently known to every man, aren't they?
Well something interesting happens when you decided to write something down. It becomes a contract. Like an EULA. It is a contract.
If I don't sign or agree to the contract, am I bound by that contract?
When I download a cracked application, I am not signing any contract. The person who bought and cracked and posted the app is the contract holder. He's the one you should go after.
Same thing with music and DVD's.
Which by the way, the record companies or movie companies aren't losing any revenue. The problem is, is that they keep spending money on frivolous lawsuits, and keep stamping out CD's that just sit around because no one want's to spend 12 dollars on "Aerosmith's Greatest Hits".
That is where the money lost is. It is a well known fact that the artist benefits greatly from people downloading music freely.
I myself have discovered a number of artists that I would never had discovered if I hadn't downloaded their music. And now that I listen to some of them regularly, I pay money to see them perform LIVE, which is where they make their money.
The point I am saying, is that you can't make Jailbreaking illegal because of the shady things you can do with it. That's like making Linux illegal because you can use it to write your own code to hack into systems.
There is already a law in place for that sort of thing, use it.
There is already a law in place for cracking apps, and so on. Use it. Don't make another nonsense law that wont be followed by anyone.
Just remember to bring me some DVD's of Tom Baker Dr. Who, and the latest season of Top Gear and we will be square :-)
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02-16-2009, 05:54 AM #203
Just remember to bring me some DVD's of Tom Baker Dr. Who, and the latest season of Top Gear and we will be square :-)
Last edited by confucious; 02-16-2009 at 05:58 AM.He who asks a question looks foolish for 5 minutes. He who doesn't ask a question remains foolish forever.
02-16-2009, 07:10 AM #204
The goal of calling jail breaking illegal is, if it is officially illegal, they can go after the people who are making the jail breaking software and stop it at the root, they normally have no plan to chase the end users.
02-16-2009, 07:58 AM #205
Simply put, Apple's argument is completely without merit, and will fail, as they have failed in courts in France, etc. The analogy of a car is completely apt; I can paint it any color I want, use aftermarket windshield wipers, even (as someone has noted) remap the ignition. This last alteration usually does void the warranty, as does jailbreaking, but we the consumer assume the risk. I am someone who paid the extravagant, unsubsidized price of $600 for a 1st-gen phone, so it is mine to do with as I wish. Certainly, some aftermarket apps may impose externalities on others, such as tethering, which may well overburden AT&T's feeble 3G network, but the vast majority of apps merely add functionality and marketability while imposing no externalities whatsoever.
I simply cannot imagine having a lousy stock iPhone. It is the difference between black-and-white and color TV. In my view, people who don't modify their phones aren't real iPhone users, but simple mindless consumers and followers of fashion, which is of course their right. Don't worry people, this will go nowhere.
02-16-2009, 08:09 AM #206
02-16-2009, 10:01 AM #207
However, when it comes to jail breaking, you are correct that you can't make it illegal just because it is possible to do shady things with it, but the fact that you are able to do shady things with it is what got Apple to start going after jailbreakers, if these people had left well enough alone, leaving App Store Apps to the App Store and Jailbroken Apps to Jailbroken phones, I don't think that Apple would have really cared. But they see this as a potential threat to their store now, as their Applications can be cracked without the need for their store. Really, the better response would have been to say, we are going to have every Application in the App Store have an automatic 15 day free trial or something, if you don't like the Application, delete it within 15 days and you won't be charged for it, if you like it, keep it and your card on file will be charged.
02-16-2009, 11:11 AM #208
This is ********, like it's going to stop me for one second...
Why are Apple such tight bastards? Lighten up, and don't be so stingy.
02-16-2009, 01:05 PM #209
02-16-2009, 01:47 PM #210So let me get this right...
Ok so I did the switch form pc to buying ALL APPLE products last year... New iMac, Apple TV, Ipod 160gig, Ipod 16 gig touch, a shuffle, and a nano (yes I think I over did it also) I use each one for different things like snowboarding and one for each car and all that... SO then I want an iphone but I have been with Tmobile since they were voicestream! So you can get me to get all your products and then try and tell me who my cell carrier has to be! Thats crazy! Screw that! I hope that statement was just a way for them to cover their butts in the eyes of At&t! I bought all these items to work together smoothly and they do! I think it should be illegal of them to try to create a monopoly and corner people into what they want!
Thats my 2 cents
02-16-2009, 02:05 PM #211
Kinda funny you pay how much for a iPhone and they think your not gonna do whatever you want with it......... Yeah Right!
02-16-2009, 05:16 PM #212
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02-16-2009, 11:07 PM #215All About The Mighty $$
This is all politics,this is how it works first generation iphone comes little bit hype but in a competitive and a saturated market of cell phones it doesn't makes that big of a impact(what they were looking for)then word comes out that u buy a iphone which can be unlocked people flooded apple stores picked handsets like they were free,10 million sold out of which 270.000 on at&t rest of the units all over the world,then apple acts all surprised and s@#t,so at&t doesn't feel bad,and kept scaring poor people with every firmware upgrade that it might brick there phone,then the same story with 3g.I think they exactly know what is going on, first the firmware upgrade then a turbosim comes out and so on..
I don't know who is there business adviser because i would smack him and say just sell the unit unlocked(maybe higher price)and get over this nonsense..because the data revenue that u think at&t and other carriers will give u is going to be less compared to people who are dying to get the phone now at full price.
They don't understand the cell phone market fully yet WHAT IS HOT TODAY MIGHT NOT BE HOT TOMORROW
One more thing isn't it ironic that iphone is made in CHINA and they have refused to sell it in CHINA lol,Apple doesn't realize that market is 1.5 billion strong refusing them is refusing GOD,They can copy it and in fact make it better any day..
02-17-2009, 01:23 AM #216
If I wasn't able to jailbreak my iPhone, I wouldn't have bought it in the first place. Apple should think about that before denying custumers rights!
02-17-2009, 01:37 AM #217
Where I work two other people have iPhones, neither have jailbroken.
People that frequent forums have, in the main, jailbroken because they are interested in what their phones can do, but their are millions of iPhone users that have not.
Just a thought...
02-17-2009, 02:16 AM #218
I once prayed to God for an iPhone, but quickly found out He didn't work that way...so I stole an iPhone and prayed for His forgiveness.
A dog is the only thing on earth that loves you more than you love yourself. - Josh Billings
02-17-2009, 10:43 AM #219lol
I do believe Richard Stallman had the best idea of all. Software should be free for everyone to modify and distribute so that anyone trying to learn how to use it can view the source code and have no problems sharing info. Linux and GNU have it the best and that's why I don't own a Mac and I don't need to use Windows. It costs too much money that you're just shelling out for licensing fees and making their pockets fat while getting expensive, shoddy software that ain't worth a dime. Sure I have an iPhone but that's only because the thing is so damn cool. I like Apple's innovation but they're just like M$ with marketing and hindering the computer industry. As soon as there is a useful,stable Linux kernel I can throw on this phone I'll go straight to it in a heartbeat. Proprietary software is ******.
Edit: lol, matt1223, you have the gist of the idea. You're completely wrong though because Apple is in fact marketing masters. They don't have retards for programmers and developers either. They in fact have very skilled black hats working for them as well as ex-hackers gone white. Their marketing ploys are very well thought out and very intricate. If they didn't know what they were doing, how did they get you to buy that $500-600 phone then? Exactly. They try and make it irresistable and they worked out bugs for this phone for years. They then got very rich from it. They are absolute genious as far as marketing actually goes with releasing a new iPod every year and most people go get the lastest one even though it does the same ****. The average consumer just blows their money and they now paid Apple a couple times for the same exact ****. Rofl, you think their stupid about how they sell and control their products? No, they in fact think we the consumers are stupid for being tricked into buying several clones of their hardwares and thinking we're getting something new. A capitalist GANGBANG!
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02-17-2009, 11:15 AM #220
Edit: lol, matt1223, you have the gist of the idea. You're completely wrong though because Apple is in fact marketing masters. They don't have retards for programmers and developers either. They in fact have very skilled black hats working for them as well as ex-hackers gone white. Their marketing ploys are very well thought out and very intricate. If they didn't know what they were doing, how did they get you to buy that $500-600 phone then? Exactly. They try and make it irresistable and they worked out bugs for this phone for years. They then got very rich from it. They are absolute genious as far as marketing actually goes with releasing a new iPod every year and most people go get the lastest one even though it does the same ****. The average consumer just blows their money and they now paid Apple a couple times for the same exact ****. Rofl, you think their stupid about how they sell and control their products? No, they in fact think we the consumers are stupid for being tricked into buying several clones of their hardwares and thinking we're getting something new. A capitalist GANGBANG![/QUOTE]
They ARE marketing Genius'! that is why they had lines at every AT&T and aplle store for the 1st iphone without spending a penny on advertising.
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