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Looks like this little nobody is going to be the first carted off to jail... ...oh well, at least it wasn't anyone important... [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1PIzicju_I]YouTube - Steve Wozniak uses hacked Iphone[/ame]
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    Default I just discovered Apple's Public Enemy #1
    Looks like this little nobody is going to be the first carted off to jail...

    ...oh well, at least it wasn't anyone important...

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1PIzicju_I]YouTube - Steve Wozniak uses hacked Iphone[/ame]

    and another one...

    Viddler.com - Screen Grab: Woz hacks Kathy Griffin's iPhone... on TV - Uploaded by engadget

    (this guys a real freaking menace...)

    http://www.appstore.ca/wp-content/up...eve_steved.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoNightmareX View Post
    Apple owned the iPhone
    I gave Apple money
    The iPhone is now mine

    I'll do whatever I want to my iPhone and they don't have a say in it at all.
    This is how the law is... once money has exchanged hands... example Apple owned it you paid for it.... Apple can not tell you what you can do with it or can't do with it...... they can only warranty what they want if you jailbreak it or not.....

    Quote Originally Posted by afgracer View Post
    my point of view is...."jealous",-----apple is jealous....

    because...

    1. we could do more with r phones then they take out on there buggy updates lol

    2. dev teams.big boss..etc...doing a better job taking out utilities thats apple cant think of...lol

    3.and plus apple looks at all the stuff that iphone could do jailbroken...and copys it...example jailbroken then (insatller)
    then apple says wow we should do somthing like that too -->and lets call it(app store)

    4.i dont think apple is going to make jailbreaken illegal...they will loose big money....there not that DuMb?
    Apple does not want to give us all what we want because then they would not be able to ever sell another iPhone because it would have everything.....
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    When you have an ego as big as Steve Jobs is you think you can control everything, but what he doesn't realize is the more you squeese the more people will rebel.

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    Fuc u apple and at&t bi*ches...i do what the hell i want on my $575 3g 16gb white tmobile iphone! If apple offered everything that cydia did i wouldnt even need to jailbreak it. Ill never buy from the app store and i will continue to get any app for free. HAHAHAHAHAHA!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NakedFaerie View Post
    Hello Steve Jobs. Your a tosser.



    Its like this.
    Iphone + Jailbreak = sales
    360 + modded firmware = sales
    PS3 + ....nothing = LESS SALES
    Wii + modchip = sales

    So, iPhone + NO JAILBREAK = less sales, crap phone, choose a better phone.

    If they do make jailbreaking illegal you will notice a drop in iphone sales.
    I also think Apple want to make jailbreaking illegal as you can block thier kill apps signal they have.
    They can send out that kill app message as many times to my phone but as long as the block is there they cant do a thing about it. If its not jailbraked then they can delete apps at thier will. That whould be illegal. They will end up removing apps you paid for because they can.

    This is another reason why I will never buy anything Apple in the future.
    I also think with this mentallity from Apple there will be a few MAC users getting PCs in the new future. Why have a company doing that to thier users? Where is the old saying gone "The customer is always right" as it looks like Apple is thinking all its customers are thieves and hackers.

    As 90% if the replies here say and I will too.... F*** You Apple.
    actually for the wii portion its wii = the homebrew channel = sales - games sold <<

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    Quote Originally Posted by NakedFaerie View Post

    I also think with this mentallity from Apple there will be a few MAC users getting PCs in the new future. Why have a company doing that to thier users? Where is the old saying gone "The customer is always right" as it looks like Apple is thinking all its customers are thieves and hackers.

    As 90% if the replies here say and I will too.... F*** You Apple.
    I seriously doubt that very much. Nothing personal to Mac users, but going into an Apple store is like going into this strange cult. Their like Masons who have this strange secret handshake that only the enlightened can grasp.

    Steve Jobs is their De Facto God. They don't care. It's pretty simple.

    Now I'm not talking about the people who go from PC to OS X to Linux etc, I'm talking about the die hard macboys, and I'm talking about the rich kids who are of the elitist mentality that they have a nice prim Mac.

    Those guys are just nuts.

    So I doubt if this making jailbreaking illegal push actually happens (cause remember it hasn't happened, Apple just wants it to happen) you might see a small dip in sales, but not a whole lot.

    Remember when the first iPhone came out, there was no jailbreaking yet, and the amount of people who actually do Jailbreak an iPhone is at the most 1 in 4.
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    Modding is a niche that cant be quality controlled.

    Your not the forefront of Apples iPhone sales publicity.

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    NaplesBill, I agree. Apple is merely protecting that nice little monopoly they set up for themselves in the form of the App Store. While that model may work for iTunes where you're dealing with artists who can't program, it will never work for software because you're dealing with engineers who will always find workarounds. We can program anything we want for the Mac... why not the iPhone? The real innovation seems to be coming out of Cydia these days, not the 20k crap store. And yeah, I'd love to see them haul Woz off to jail for OMG altering his firmware.

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    Most mobile phone manufacturers do their utmost to add as many facilities as possible. Apple has produced a phone way beyond the capabilities of most others, yet go out of their way not not implement all these goodies and what is worse try to prevent others from doing so. If Apple sat back and really thought hard about what they are doing there would be no need to jailbreak and they woiuld sell even more phones. At the end of the day there is NOTHING secret about software and is there for everyone to use and dress to suit.

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    Default Sue me!
    If it sooo illegal sue and take me to jail! idiots...

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    Quote Originally Posted by i pimping View Post
    but you dont see ford complaining when guys customize there cars becouse it only helps sell them when potential ford custumers see what can be done with a standard car
    The best analogue by far! WAKE UP APPLE!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thetoothfairy View Post
    This is how the law is... once money has exchanged hands... example Apple owned it you paid for it.... Apple can not tell you what you can do with it or can't do with it...... they can only warranty what they want if you jailbreak it or not.....



    Apple does not want to give us all what we want because then they would not be able to ever sell another iPhone because it would have everything.....

    yea but all there doing right now is being greedy...
    and plus if it was not for the jailbrk and unlock....break it down to no gsm unlock,good utilities, and etc....the iphone wouldent be as good as it is now....
    1.1.4 Unlocked & Jailbroken <----THATS WHAT THE NOOBIE SAID
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    I really feel like some of the main things people jailbreak there iPhone for are things that Apple should have done in the very first iPhone, but after two years, two phone models and how ever many updates have still not done.

    Mod my UI - Apple come on, every phone you buy has the ability to atleast change the color scheme on your phone. How can the most advanced phone not have this simple feature. I get tired of looking at a black screen with the same old icons after a few months. This is the main reason I jailbroke my iPhone and iPhone 3g. I am pretty happy with the appstore that they finally came out with.

    Video - This is another thing that just amazes me with the iPhone. The phone comes with 8g minimum, is suppose to be a media powerhouse with audio/video, has a 2megapixel camera and does not record video. Another reason I jailbroke my iPhone and iPhone 3g.

    There are many other good reasons for people to jailbreak there phones, but the bottom line is this:

    After buying 2 iPhones for around $800 and refering two friends to buy iPhones and one of them switch carriers, by the way I am an ATT customer and have been for 8 years, I believe I have the right to customize my equipment any damn way I feel like. I sure as hell would not let Microsoft tell me how to keep my UI or what programs I was "allowed" to have on my PC. Maybe this is why Apple lost the Personal Computer war. Will they lose the Mobile Computer war too?

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    So many have addressed every piece of this, but one thing remains to be seen:

    EULAs have never been tested in court. There are hundreds of lawyers lined up on both sides of this argument. Can a company put restrictions on the use of a device once the sale is complete? That is the question. My argument would be this:

    If you can enforce restrictions on me once a device is purchased by me (or software), then that means you assume the liability for the use of that device as well.

    Example: You make a computer, you make an operating system. You sell me that operating system. You say you get to control what I do with that computer and operating system. I use that operating system, with the capabilities you built into it, to commit a crime. YOU accept shared liability for what I have done.

    Wouldn't that follow? If you want to claim overlordship of something, then you accept responsibility for it as well.

    Well, it's been proven time and again that this is not the case. You can't sue a car manufacturer for being run down by a car. You can't prosecute a head shop because they sold a bong to the guy that smoked pot with it. etc.

    If they have no liability, then they have no control. Quad Era Demonstratum

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    The REAL reason that Apple is wanting to crackdown on Jailbreaking is mentioned in this article. I think that this application changed everything for them. I also think that this program is illegal and that Cydia and Installer should both take steps to block it, I think that would go a long way towards appeasing Apple's concerns. There is a difference between jailbreaking the phone and downloading software and illegally stealing software (from whatever distribution channel you choose to get your software from), if you use the software and the Author wants money for it, pay for the right to use it. When that came out, I said that it would cause Apple to go after Jailbreakers if something wasn't done to try to stop it by Cydia and Installer. Perhaps the Devteam could get involved to stop it as well. But there are also tools to help the developers stop it, but that doesn't help for existing Applications. Bottom line is DON'T steal music, software, movies or anything else, stealing only hurts us all in the long run as these companies will go out of business due to a lack of revenue. And now, it's got Apple's attention as well.

    I only mention the article, because I feel that it is relevant to this issue and in case I haven't made myself clear on the matter, I do not condone Pirating software (or music or video) in any shape or form, I do feel that if I buy a DVD, I should have the right to put it on my iPod or watch it any other way that I want, I do not have the right to give it to anyone else, nor should I have that right, the same goes for software, if I buy a windows only program, and I have crossover on my computer, I have the right to run it on my Mac, if I use Parallels and a legal copy of Windows, I have the right to run it on my Mac, before Boot Camp came out, there were ways to run Windows on an Intel Mac, again no one questioned the legality of it, as long as you paid for your copy of Windows. All of these could be considered hacks to the Mac and are perfectly legal, why should the iPhone be any different? I honestly don't think that Jailbreaking is any different than getting non-oem service.

    Now, I even take this as far as saying Apple should be required to provide warranty service on Jailbroken phones, as mentioned, if you modify a car with non-oem parts or get service from somewhere besides the dealer, the manufacturer is still required to honor their warranty on the car (now they may charge you if it's the non-oem part that failed, as it is no longer their part, but everything else must be covered).

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    Quote Originally Posted by MusicBlood17 View Post
    It's my iPod. I paid for it so i can jailbreak it if i want to. Apple overprices their apps and I dont feel like paying for them. Why do they care if we take a risk at screwing up our iPods and iPhones?
    It's our choice so why don't they just leave us be? What exactly are the consequences of having a jailbroken iPod/iPhone anyways?
    jail time mister HAHA (jk)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PorthosPirate View Post
    So many have addressed every piece of this, but one thing remains to be seen:

    EULAs have never been tested in court. There are hundreds of lawyers lined up on both sides of this argument. Can a company put restrictions on the use of a device once the sale is complete? That is the question. My argument would be this:

    If you can enforce restrictions on me once a device is purchased by me (or software), then that means you assume the liability for the use of that device as well.

    Example: You make a computer, you make an operating system. You sell me that operating system. You say you get to control what I do with that computer and operating system. I use that operating system, with the capabilities you built into it, to commit a crime. YOU accept shared liability for what I have done.

    Wouldn't that follow? If you want to claim overlordship of something, then you accept responsibility for it as well.

    Well, it's been proven time and again that this is not the case. You can't sue a car manufacturer for being run down by a car. You can't prosecute a head shop because they sold a bong to the guy that smoked pot with it. etc.

    If they have no liability, then they have no control. Quad Era Demonstratum
    Nicely put.

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    THANK YOU EVERYONE id most likely start firebombing uhhh........ jailbreaking has opened up my phone and my eyes of so many possibilities that can be done with this phone. the only reason apple doesnt like it because they havent figured a way to make money from it even tho it makes the phone 10x better than stock!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PorthosPirate View Post
    Example: You make a computer, you make an operating system. You sell me that operating system. You say you get to control what I do with that computer and operating system. I use that operating system, with the capabilities you built into it, to commit a crime. YOU accept shared liability for what I have done.
    I suppose something like this could be a valid argument unless the EULA states that the company waives any involvement of any crimes or wrongdoing committed with the use/aid of their product, which I am sure will be added in to EULA's if there is law stating that a EULA is binding and cannot be broken without penalty.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecd5000 View Post
    THANK YOU EVERYONE id most likely start firebombing uhhh........ jailbreaking has opened up my phone and my eyes of so many possibilities that can be done with this phone. the only reason apple doesnt like it because they havent figured a way to make money from it even tho it makes the phone 10x better than stock!!
    Well, they really COULD start making money off it if they provided alot of the apps/features that jailbreaking provides. Think of how much money Apple could make with something as simple as themes and wallpapers. It baffles my mind why Apples hasn't already offered this. A large number of jailbreakers do it simply for the themes anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PorthosPirate View Post
    So many have addressed every piece of this, but one thing remains to be seen:

    EULAs have never been tested in court. There are hundreds of lawyers lined up on both sides of this argument. Can a company put restrictions on the use of a device once the sale is complete? That is the question. My argument would be this:

    If you can enforce restrictions on me once a device is purchased by me (or software), then that means you assume the liability for the use of that device as well.

    Example: You make a computer, you make an operating system. You sell me that operating system. You say you get to control what I do with that computer and operating system. I use that operating system, with the capabilities you built into it, to commit a crime. YOU accept shared liability for what I have done.

    Wouldn't that follow? If you want to claim overlordship of something, then you accept responsibility for it as well.

    Well, it's been proven time and again that this is not the case. You can't sue a car manufacturer for being run down by a car. You can't prosecute a head shop because they sold a bong to the guy that smoked pot with it. etc.

    If they have no liability, then they have no control. Quad Era Demonstratum
    Weeeel, that is not entirely true.

    In the case of Firearms, there have been people who have gone after the Firearms manufacturer for being liable that a gun they produced killed a loved one.

    And then there is the case of the class action lawsuit going after the cigarette companies, even AFTER there was a stupid warning label.

    Simply put, you can sue anyone for any reason. Apple couldn't take the case the criminal court, but instead would take it to civil court. And there is a difference.

    In criminal court, you are innocent until proven guilty. Everyone knows that.

    However in Civil Court, (like the judge judey/joe/whatever) all that needs to be made is a claim and you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent.

    Now if Apple get's it's way it will suddenly have the protection and support of the Office of Copyright Protection. And that in and of itself would be really bad because they wouldn't even need to spend a dime suing whomever they pointed a finger at because it would be a the United States Government suing you.
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