[alexevo]

Lets not leave out a few things that the Palm has going for it that the iPhone doesn't. I think it is safe to assume it will have MMS capability out of the box(EPIC FAIL on Apple's part), based on watching this video it appears to perform operations faster than the iPhone, you can replace the battery in seconds and it doesn't require possibly mangling your iPhone body(1st Gen iPhone people) or soldering connections (1st and 2nd Gen iPhone people), slide out physical qwerty keyboard(my big fingers do just fine actually on the iPhone keyboard and I prefer it to a physical keyboard now but others may disagree so this point is for them).

To the person who mentioned problems with their Treo 680, that was your phone not Palm as a whole. It is a well known fact that 680s were/are garbage and the black sheep of the Palm family. I had a Treo 650 for what seemed like eternity and it took quite a few licks from me, no amount of ROM flashing and file system editing would kill that phone and I regret selling it to this very day.

Now there are probably other things worth mentioning but i'll try to wrap this up. If Palm sells this as a GSM phone(not just tied in to Sprint's wacky network) at a price point not exceeding $249 then I will most definitely buy one and consider ditching my iPhone. However I am skeptical that they can assemble this into a tidy package and price it well enough to steal me away from Apple. Not to put down Palm in any way but I have a hard time seeing them asking less than 4 bills for this phone. Perhaps 3 if you sign a 2 year contract but then a 16GB iPhone goes for that same price. I say again if they go for no more than $249 then I certainly think they will make AT LEAST a dent in Apple's sales.

All of this requires that Sprint somehow finds a way to absorb the ETFs that people are mostly unwilling to pay to go from Cing...AT&T to Sprint. That being said, Sprint is already starting to roll out a 4G network that will supposedly put 3G to shame so if that is the case then i'm sold (pending hands-on testing and at least a week with this device to put it through its paces).

[logodude]

First of all, if someone cant post there opinion without someone calling them a fanboi, then they should be banned. This phone is like the house brand. Does the same thing just looks different. If anyone wants to top the iPhone, they will have to come up with something completely different, just like apple did.

[T-Will]

Originally Posted by logodude

First of all, if someone cant post there opinion without someone calling them a fanboi, then they should be banned. This phone is like the house brand. Does the same thing just looks different. If anyone wants to top the iPhone, they will have to come up with something completely different, just like apple did.

I don't have a problem with people posting their opinion, but the people who say the Pre is a failure without ever using it or giving it a chance ARE fanbois. How can someone call a device a failure when it hasn't even gone to market?

I'm a fan of the iPhone and the iPhone ecosystem, but I'm not to the extent that it blinds me from seeing other devices out there and giving them a chance.

[calingasan]

I'm guessing that the reason a lot of "fanbois" as you call them, are frustrated with new technologies is that because apple thought of it first. Even if the Pre is better than the iphone or that windows mobile 7 has more functionality... its just darn annoying to see an original product get copied. I'm not saying that all the other product that resembles an iphone is a complete rip off of the iphone, its just that the similarities exist and these similarities makes "fanbois" wonder why other companies make new and original products.

To my opinion anyway, i think that similarities and the stealing of ideas gives way to better products. Its not ethical but as a consumer in a big market, the likes of "microsoft" or "palm" or any other company accused of stealing ideas sets the standard of the technology we have now a nudge higher. As a fanboi, this only means that apple will continue innovate and compete with the likes of palm, htc, microsoft, etc giving us better and better products.

[LrdBane]

And sure something is going to be "better" than something else that has been out in a while. Heck thats how technology evolves. Otherwise we would still be using dialup modems 10mhz processors with microwave oven sized laptops and taking our phones with us in the trunk of the car. Bring it on i say. Only when we see whats out there can we make something better.

Oh and to kaician:
You can use USB transfers with programs like Disk Aid that give you access to your phone. Both Windows and Mac flavors and totally free without worry's of nuking your battery dry.

[bengo]

Originally Posted by calingasan

I'm guessing that the reason a lot of "fanbois" as you call them, are frustrated with new technologies is that because apple thought of it first. Even if the Pre is better than the iphone or that windows mobile 7 has more functionality... its just darn annoying to see an original product get copied. I'm not saying that all the other product that resembles an iphone is a complete rip off of the iphone, its just that the similarities exist and these similarities makes "fanbois" wonder why other companies make new and original products.

To my opinion anyway, i think that similarities and the stealing of ideas gives way to better products. Its not ethical but as a consumer in a big market, the likes of "microsoft" or "palm" or any other company accused of stealing ideas sets the standard of the technology we have now a nudge higher. As a fanboi, this only means that apple will continue innovate and compete with the likes of palm, htc, microsoft, etc giving us better and better products.

Apple didn't invent the wide screen telephone dude, or the touch screen, they're just the ones that brought it to the mainstream in North America. I'm pretty sure they didn't invent MMS, SMS, email on phone, web browsing on the phone ( see Opera ), taking pictures on the phone, etc...

All they did was put a bunch of features together on a custom shell running on top of stripped down Linux OS ( let's be honest, this isn't no MacOS) and in the body of a souped up iPod and that's it.

The only "innovation" they made is their UI, which some consider revolutionary, although having a desktop with a bunch of icons doesn't seem that crazy to me

Oh and their competitors do need to copy them up to a certain point, otherwise they wouldn't be competitive.

Have fun when Apple adds all the features the Pre has into a iPhone 3.0, just to get some more cash from the herd.

[kaician]

About DiskAid, while a lovely program and all, it completely defeats the purpose of using the iphone as a usb mass storage drive. For either mac or windows you have to first download, and then install the program before you can use it to access your iphone. While this is all well and good on fully accessible systems, it can't be done on systems that have either restricted access to the internet or changing the system files, which is the case with the computers at my workplace. The restricted access also keeps me from accessing air sharing as a server, meaning no file access. And no wifi there either just kills all options...

However, my old cell phone can be used as a usb mass storage device, and since my card reader died, that's exactly what I'm using as usb memory now.

I must say that I do find the situation quite sad indeed.....

[bengo]

Don't know if someone posted this link already but it's a good demo of the phone at CES: Palm.com : Media Library

[BenzoHartt]

i don't think this will compete at all. As for all the iphone killers... refer to my sig

[calingasan]

Originally Posted by BenzoHartt

...deep down inside it really wants to be an iphone

[T-Will]

Originally Posted by calingasan

:d

lol!

[gQstatus05]

Just another Palm. I troubleshoot Palms on a daily basis as well. Same ol' problem. My phone won't stop hotsyncing, it keeps rebooting, when i look up a contact it'll just dial by itself.

Listen I can go on and on. I troubleshoot high end devices all day every day. It's my job. I know phones inside out. I can walk you through any blackberry, palm, windows mobile device off the top of my head like I have it right in front of me. I don't just talk to just talk.

Many developers for windows mobile have migrated over to apple iPhone b/c of the endless potentials of the phone. Like I said I've owned iPaq beetles, pdas, 8125, tytnI, tytnII, pantech duo (for a week), crapjack II (worst phone ever). Good luck calling Palm too. They have no idea what's going on and by the time you get someone in AMERICA it's been like 2 hours from what I'm told from users of Palms.

[T-Will]

Originally Posted by gQstatus05

Just another Palm. I troubleshoot Palms on a daily basis as well. Same ol' problem. My phone won't stop hotsyncing, it keeps rebooting, when i look up a contact it'll just dial by itself.

Listen I can go on and on. I troubleshoot high end devices all day every day. It's my job. I know phones inside out. I can walk you through any blackberry, palm, windows mobile device off the top of my head like I have it right in front of me. I don't just talk to just talk.

Many developers for windows mobile have migrated over to apple iPhone b/c of the endless potentials of the phone. Like I said I've owned iPaq beetles, pdas, 8125, tytnI, tytnII, pantech duo (for a week), crapjack II (worst phone ever). Good luck calling Palm too. They have no idea what's going on and by the time you get someone in AMERICA it's been like 2 hours from what I'm told from users of Palms.

u mad?

I hate the outsourcing too, but I'm giving Palm a chance by not calling the Pre a failure BEFORE it's even released.

[thaforgottenone]

to me the os name is effy "webos"... when i hear that, i think of a os that talks back and forth to a severr or the web, watching every thing u do on the phone... hahaha just what i think.

[Happy Noodle Boy]

Originally Posted by thaforgottenone

to me the os name is effy "webos"... when i hear that, i think of a os that talks back and forth to a severr or the web, watching every thing u do on the phone... hahaha just what i think.

While it doesn't actually work like that, that's the idea behind it, to keep you connected with everything at all times.