[Eurisko]

Wow, I've never seen such a blatant rip-off of Apple UI design. And just like Microsoft, they gleefully blaze through the demo as if every idea was their own.

Apple: Think Original

[crashspeeder]

Personally, I'm not looking for a device or OS that's better than the iPhone. What I think apple needs is a push to be better, maybe then we'll get the applications we want no matter what platform you're on because they'll all be competing to provide them. Apple was king of the hill for too long and needs to be shown that it can't remain complacent anymore. It's time for something new and as good as 3G was, it's not enough.

I bought two iPhones, the original and the 3G. As good as they were, I'm not convinced I'd buy a third. It's time for somebody to dazzle me. Show me something I can't live without; something I won't want to stop using, something indispensable. The iPhone made entertainment and work easier but only after its exchange support but it's amazing that it could be missing the basic features my LG VX9800 had like MMS and voice dialing. Let's see what happens.

[jhyphen]

Wish they would've shown some web browsing. To be honest that's my favorite aspect of my iPhone I don't think any of these new phones can match the web browsing ability of the iphone.

[prgeno]

Originally Posted by Virushan

For ur information yes you can run application on apple's iphone in the background if ur phone is jailbroken and if u install a tweak called "backgrounder" available via cydia. Copy and paste can be solved through an iphone update if wished by apple or a third party developer. That having said naviagation trackball isnt needed on an iphone. there is no point in using trackball at all on the iphone once u have a multitouch screen as good and responsive on the iphone. flash is a downside however, I will give u that. the iphone has a gerogeous high resolution camera.

I use backgrounder, but I don't consider it OS managed multitasking with intertask data sharing and updating.

We can all believe copy and paste can be easily solved, but it isn't, and won't, until Steve says so. Steve has decided we don't need it, regardless of what we think. And no third party developer can fix this, due to the last point I brought up before. Apple's artificial restrictions and limitations placed upon developers in the SDK and their control over all app distribution (Cydia notwithstanding).

The navigation ball will be great for text cursor navigation. I miss not having precise text cursor navigation on the iPhone. I find the little iPhone magnifying glass pop up, to assist placing the ursor while editing text, a pain the ***.

The Pre camera is a higher resolution than the iPhones, and has an LED flash. That is a big improvement.

I'll add a few more:

USB mass storage support.

Real GPS app with turn by turn directions.

More complete Bluetooth implementation.

Removable battery.

There's still more, but I'll stop there.

I like my jailbroken iPhone, but I'm not a fanboy of any piece of technology or company. I think there are obvious improvments that even the almighty Apple can make. What I don't like is the artificial constraints Apple places on it's development and use. It has the most restrictive 3rd party development program of any major platform.

Finally, and the only reason I first responded, there is no way a statement can be made here, that the Pre has failed, before it has even hit the market. It might fail, you might not like it and hope it fails, but it hasn't failed yet. Wait and see when it gets out there.

But think about it this way, if it does succeed, that means good things for us iPhone users, because Apple will then need to respond to the new competition.

[skj8100]

Amen prgeno

[Je5]

This garbage will never compete with an iPhone Palm will never learn from their mistakes, their batteries suck the keyboard sucks unless you are like 7 with little hands... come on...

[GTghost]

That looks nice 'n all, but I like iPhone better when its Jailbroken.

[knorrhane]

might have been something but with a slide-out keyboard and plastic cover I don't think it's going to be very durable.. plus it looks just awful..

[corizzle]

OMG I LOVE IT!
the OS!
the quick launch gesture!
the "deck of cards"
i love it all!
i WANT.

[mallenass]

Puhhhhh-lease....that thing is a SLIDER with KEYS...c'mon man! why on earth would you use tiny scrunched together plastic keys when you can put it all on a shiny neat screen???

AND will it be as "modding-friendly" as the iphone????.......dont think so.

ill stick with my iphone for now

[Celf]

Originally Posted by ebl4287

C'mon man.. this phone looks like a chubby iPhone for god sakes... 4 icon dock at the bottom,

PALM PRE (FAILS)

ebl4287, 4 icons in a dock is NOT an Apple invention. When I remember well was ZLauncher (Palm launcher replacement) the first to implement icons in a dock. Psion was the first to have hardware icons in a (kind of) dock. The iPhone dock\launcher is blatant rip-off of several Palm replacement launchers!!!!! Google for Zlauncher, X-launcher and SilverScreen...all programs that were launched years and years before the iphone....but for many iPhone owners it's hard to believe that Apple also had a close look at the competition and copied stuff they could use. There's nothing wrong with this....copy from the competition and make it better, that's what Apple did (and many other companies do)

But now Palm uses the same trick....and look at all the posts...unbelievable!!!

Originally Posted by Je5

their batteries suck

you're right, the iPhone had a superb batterylife from day one

[xzero]

The major flaw of the iPhone is the keyboard, that is the only way the Pre is better than the iPhone, in everything else, iPhone basically dominates the Pre, because almost all of the features of the Pre can be achieved with applications on the iPhone.

[Celf]

Originally Posted by xzero

The major flaw of the iPhone is the keyboard, that is the only way the Pre is better than the iPhone, in everything else, iPhone basically dominates the Pre, because almost all of the features of the Pre can be achieved with applications on the iPhone.

how about these, apple COULD do it but they still choose not to:
- gps navigation
- multitasking
- open sdk
- notifications
- wireless charger
- copy & paste
- bt tethering/ad2p
- full use of BT
- usb mass storage
- mms
- 3mp cam with led flash
- exchangable battery
- keyboard
- adobe flash

Some of these features could be done after jailbreaking the phone, but that's not the point.

[huey85]

I actually don't mind this phone at all. Too bad they limited it to only 8GB with no mention of expandable memory.

[prgeno]

Originally Posted by xzero

The major flaw of the iPhone is the keyboard, that is the only way the Pre is better than the iPhone, in everything else, iPhone basically dominates the Pre, because almost all of the features of the Pre can be achieved with applications on the iPhone.

That is an interesting statement. The iPhone DOMINATES the Pre because ALMOST all of the features can be achieved....

Originally Posted by mallenass

....
AND will it be as "modding-friendly" as the iphone????.......dont think so.

ill stick with my iphone for now

Nobody is asking you to switch, but think about what you asked/said:

The Pre has a wide open SDK, and Apple's is overly restrictive. Palm has a long history of supporting 3rd party developers and "modders". Which one do you think is more modding friendly?

Originally Posted by GTghost

That looks nice 'n all, but I like iPhone better when its Jailbroken.

Another intersting comment:

The Pre won't need to be jailbroken, as Palm won't restrict developers the way Apple has.