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12-03-2008, 04:02 AM #21
Well if they had some legal fine print mumbo jumbo at the bottom of the screen such as "speeds may vary, prices do not take into consideration of phone plan" then they would be out of the blue right? So since there really isn't any doesn't that mean they are F'd in the A?
12-03-2008, 05:25 AM #22
So, I buy a Ferrari. Yet it turns out the roads and law enforcement won't let me drive it at the speeds it is advertised at doing. Do I sue Ferrari because they advertised a car which is capable of high speed yet the roads and law won't allow me to go that fast?
So why are people blaming Apple that the speed of the network is not good enough? Blame your service provider. With the right service, the iPhone is capable of those speeds.
12-03-2008, 05:56 AM #23
Guess my age, gender and demographic.
Those of you who do know more about me know this answer
This said, remember advertising is meant to entice. Sometimes it is outright misleading. Marketing requires the use of words and images to portray an image in the hopes that people will buy. As consumers, we need to do our homework. A family passtime we have is pointing out the stretches of truth in commercials and advertisements, the omissions in so-called news reporting and how the general masses haven't a clue. Then when things don't meet expectations, the finger-pointing begins. As far as Apple-ATT they like it this way. What I mean is that Apple can say what their product is capable of (in ideal conditions) and not be lying. Its ATT's fault for a weak network blah, blah, blah.... ATT can turn around and blame Apple. While this is indeed a network issue, most people don't know that or can even comprehend that, although they are beginning to.
Who really pays attention to advertising anyway? (rhetorical question) perhaps to learn about the existence of a product but that is where personal research (with the internet its not a big deal) takes over. On a big ticket item its not unreasonable to say spend 15-30 minutes Googling around. Amazing the stuff one can learn.
12-03-2008, 06:46 AM #24
Technically it is twice as fast if you go from 2g to Wifi.lol
Often times i think people who aren't use to having data phones misjudge its abilities and disappoint themselves.
SIDE BAR::: 70 years old?!?! ... Blackberries don't get that kind of love.
12-03-2008, 07:16 AM #25
Of course you don't sue Ferrari because unlike Apple and AT&T and O2 and T-Mobile:
> Ferrari didn't make an exclusive deal with the road contractor so that only Ferraris can drive on their private roads. Therefore, they do not make claims that it is always really really fast! Apple chose to make an exclusive deal with AT&T/O2, who they said were the "best" to host the iPhone ("best" meaning that they bid the highest. example- Vodafone have better 3G capability than O2.), then they advertise speed.
> Speed limits and law enforcement aren't there for for Ferraris alone, they're there for all cars. Seeing as the iPhone has its own private network of roads, why the hell can't I drive as fast as you said I could?
> You can make a Ferrari go as fast as you want at any time, be it safe to or not. Ferrari don't make ads that claim their cars to be the best /fastest. They say "top speed 170mph". You buy the car, go on the motorway, look around, and reach 170mph and be proud. An iPhone ad will tell you "speed of x kb/s, really really fast internet" with nice music playing in the background. You jump up in excitement, sign the contract, buy the phone, load a page.....then you have to gamble and hope for "optimal conditions" to get the magical advertised speed. Hardly Ferrari-like.
>You can choose where you want to drive your Ferrari, and with what fuel you want to fill it up with. You can't on an iPhone, you stick with the network they give you, and pay through the colon if you're abroad.
Bottom line- you can control a Ferrari's speed and direction. and you can't control an iPhone's (unless you jailbreak). I can't see an iPhone as a Ferrari of the mobile world; too many people have it, and it has had too many problems in comparison to a Ferrari for it to be called a "SuperPhone".
And no, the iPhone isn't that fast on any current service. In the UK, where 3G is faster and more widespread than the US, pages don't load that fast. Hell, those adverts (which were recently pulled, for misleading viewers) looked smoother than WiFi, let alone 3G. The adverts were misleading, and they were pulled from UK television the other week.
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12-03-2008, 08:17 AM #26
I'm happy with the iphone. Some dropped calls are annoying, but they have been dramatically reduced. I can tether my Macbook and download at 125k/sec so I can't complain about speed. My only complaint about the ad was the fact that it is only half off if you aren't already under contract. That part is very misleading.
12-03-2008, 08:43 AM #27
No one twisted my arm to buy the 3G..... but I do not like to pay more money per month to own it..... I don't feel its to fair......... I wish there was a way that this could change.... I can't get 3G so why do I have to pay for it? And to be honest with you I can't stand edge so I hardly ever use my iphone for email and the internet while I am away from wifi....
I have the first generation iphone but wanted more space, and could not hear that one that well when a phone call came in..... so that is why I moved up....
In reality Apple and Att was trying to pull the blanket over all of our eyes.... half the price and pay more for 24 months to make up the difference of what the first generation iphones cost.... they should have been honest and charged what they wanted for the iphone..... but then again by doing what they did they sold more iphone and made it so others could afford it as well....
12-03-2008, 09:03 AM #28
chris_3cr fix your analogy before someone else pwns you
As an apple employee my job is to dazzle folks with iphone features, downloads, and synchronizations but we tend to hide the important stuff like speed, coverage, bugs, and applecare (it's not a warranty, but if I say it is then I'll most likely sell it and get the credit)
anyways apple is very misleading and could care less about you as the CONSUMER
12-03-2008, 09:08 AM #29
They are very misleading, but at the same time... What advertisement isn't? How many used car dealers have "the best used cars around"? How many commercial say things that are sort of true but not fully? Every company does this, and what people probably Aden taking into account is the fact that they did not look at the map of how the 3g network extends across America. If I'm not mistaken, it's not big at all compared to edge. Also, if they would have done some research they could have found out that the 3g network is not very reliable.
Companies try to sell their product. They are obviously going to play it up. No company is going to come out and say, "ya, our product is decent, but it drops calls and the network isn't super reliable. You should still buy it though because after all it is pretty good."
12-03-2008, 09:15 AM #30
Apple should not do adverts showing the iPhone OS running as false speeds because it is creating the idea that the phone runs at those speeds even if it doesn't. Can you really see Apple doing ads that showed how the iPhone really works. No one would buy it if they said "get this phone, it has bluetooth but its not fully functional, it has text but no picture messaging, it has a camera, but not as good as the N95's. They have to lie about the product because telling the truth wouldn't sell any.
P.S. chris_3cr you can do those speeds in a Ferrari if you take it on a track day
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12-03-2008, 09:26 AM #31
I do not see the add being misleading. If you read carefully all the prints in very small letters, you will notice that apple's "twice as fast speed" is on the coverage areas only. It is clearly stated in black and white, though it is stated in very small letters. As human and civilized people, you must read everything prior to making a purchase and/or signing a contract. I live in South Florida and have compared my Wife's 3G on WiFi and my 3G on 3G and the speed of WiFi is faster, but not that much faster than the 3G. However, the 3G is way faster when comparing to EDGE. Again, where I live I get full 3G coverage. I am even conected when I am inside the building.
12-03-2008, 09:29 AM #32
I own 1 2g iPhone and 2 3g iPhones and I am using my old 2g iPhone because both of my iPhone 3g are much slowerer and laggier than the 2g. I am extremely disappointed in the iPhone 3g they crash all the time and the keyboard is obsolutly terrible
12-03-2008, 09:34 AM #33
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12-03-2008, 09:53 AM #35
I agree that anyone fully believing the Ads to be fact are foolish. You have to get your entire idea across in a 30 second commercial. And you can't be waiting in real-time for stuff to download in a commercial. What they say and what they show are two different things, and should be taken as such.
This is like filing a class action lawsuit against Tide because the commercial shows it gets the stains out in 5 seconds flat. Give me a break.
12-03-2008, 10:07 AM #36
I don't care what you guys say. If a company puts out a product and makes a commercial, then they shouldn't make the commercial over exaggerate the products efficiency or anything else that potential customers are going to want. If I was selling monkeys and I told you that all of them could make pancakes, wouldn't you want that monkey to make pancakes if you bought it? The same thing applies here. You can't just tell people a product does something that it really doesn't and then expect them to act civilly about it. The fault here is clearly on Apple.
12-03-2008, 10:16 AM #37
My car is capable of going 280Kph, but I've never been able to drive it that fast, maybe I should get pissed off at GM.
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12-03-2008, 10:53 AM #40
all the people who complain are absolute **** heads, leave apple alone. If this was another brand, nothing would happen!
It's not the iPhone's problem, it's just the networks they are on. I have my iphone 2G on vodafone and i get quicker web results than a friend on his 3G (o2) It proves it's AT&T+O2 that are the ones to blame