[Gustavo Saliola]

Originally Posted by Jonnoy

I want them to fix fetch, doesn't work in stand-by for me in 2.1.

Street view looks good, the google car went by my house about 2 months ago, so hopefully it will be on it soon!

If the Google Car comes to Argentina, for sure, will get hijacked, dismantled, and sold in parts in "Warnes" street... Man, what a country...

Now seriously...All Nu Navigation stuff seems great, but, as everybody is saying, WTF! Put for once real deals for most of us > Copy/paste, Landscape writing, Native MMS, naming a few.

Salutte.

[boe_dye]

lets get the basics

What makes iPhone cool?

- touch interface
- No Moving keypads to wear out
- big @$$ screen to actually see what is going on
- very intuitive touch everything
- pretty decent phone

What makes iPhone cool, but annoying.

- PUSH email doesn't really PUSH or FETCH...
- Lack of reasonable SMS plan. I just watched somewhere that if you added up the cost per 1meg of messaging it comes out to 1000 dollars per meg...
- Lack of MMS. I can deal honestly, cause i use my phone as a phone, and not a sidekick.

What makes the iPhone cool in Steve Job's eyes.

- Useless but cool features
- Youtube for instance. My thoughts: Great I have the most advance phone in the world, and i can now watch Numa Numa or Dramatic Rodent, or Chris Crocker on the go... Yippee.

I want to watch real TV while i am driving. HULU anyone? ATT already has a TV plan for 30 dollars on lesser phones, and we are to believe that we can't get HULU why? Oh yeah, because apple is trying to prove a point by saying that iTunes is better... iTunes doesn't help me when i am not in front of my computer, and even if i was in front of my computer, i sure as bettin' would spend 65 dollars on a season pass for one show.

- Street View Maps. Wow great. If honestly, who cares? Its not something i would use on a day to day basis. Its not something that most anyone would use on a day to day basis. Its gadget, and a toy, and most importantly, a novelty. It makes it WOW for a few weeks then people realize who cares...

- The keyboard issue. While i don't mind what is there, I also don't type novels (unlike here) in my emails. It doesn't bother me. However I can see how it bothers many,and considering the growing number of apps that emulate that feature, I find it hard to believe that horizontal typing is really that difficult of a feat.

But like before, instead of dealing with the real issues, lets just bring out a whole new line of pretty fruity iPods, and no one will notice, care, and most importantly: remember...

If street views is all 2.2 is offering, then i certainly wont be upgrading until something worthwhile comes along.

[cjgonzales1900]

Originally Posted by moto_noob

apple just never wants to give what people want, they just want to dish out stuff that they think are "nifty". Things the iphone need will probably never be addressed and that's why our iphones are cool, but it always feel short of something. One thing the iphone needs is landscape email/texting, god damn this should of been there since day one.

finally someone who understands idk y apple hasnt put in landscape texting i think it is one of the most requesting items only after MMS. thanks

[WillyDavidK]

Apple's ability to implement these features has NOTHING to do with it. The reason we haven't seen cut/copy/paste, and the other stupid sh*t people won't stop whining about is because Apple didn't want to put them in the iPhone software. Why? Nobody knows. But you knew what you were getting when you signed up for your iPhone. And even if you didn't (right...) you had 30 days to return it. Were you too busy playing Tap Tap Revenge?

As for street view, I for one would use this on a regular basis. It makes maps 10x more useful, because you can see what lane to be in when the highway forks, you can see what your exit actually looks like, you can see where that tiny residential street actually IS, and the list goes on. This would be far more useful for me than any of the other crap people keep whining about. MMS is insignificant to me (and apparently to Apple as well). If it were implemented I would never even touch it. Actually it would probably make me angry, because I would have to pay an extra .05 every time some douche bag sent me an unwanted picture, just because ATT refuses to allow me to disable texting (they love getting .15 out of my pocket every time some stupid person texts me because they are too lazy to pick up the damn phone)

Anyways, my point is you are accomplishing nothing by continuing to whine about it, Apple is infamous for totally ignoring user concerns about small details like this. All it does is irritate the people who actually appreciate and understand what the iPhone is.

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[MattMac]

Originally Posted by Aumz

It would be niceif they stop giving us features that are advanced like this and giving us features that even the basic phones and smart phones have.

I have a love and hate relaionship with my 3G but more hate because I now know I should have waited to get the Bold.

I want MMS, Cut/Copy/Paste, Push to work as they advertised it would, ability to click on a number from a webpage and have option to TEXT not just CALL, Data Storage, and Word/Excel/Powerpoint utilities to create and edit....all of this I could do bar the Push on a phone I had about 4 years ago.

On a side note will the street view just be for USA users or for all users in the official iPhone countries.

Very true. Add the features the iPhone lacks rather than add features that barely anyone will use... Apple are stupid and narrow minded sometime...

[aznracer]

Originally Posted by WillyDavidK

Apple's ability to implement these features has NOTHING to do with it. The reason we haven't seen cut/copy/paste, and the other stupid sh*t people won't stop whining about is because Apple didn't want to put them in the iPhone software. Why? Nobody knows. But you knew what you were getting when you signed up for your iPhone. And even if you didn't (right...) you had 30 days to return it. Were you too busy playing Tap Tap Revenge?

As for street view, I for one would use this on a regular basis. It makes maps 10x more useful, because you can see what lane to be in when the highway forks, you can see what your exit actually looks like, you can see where that tiny residential street actually IS, and the list goes on. This would be far more useful for me than any of the other crap people keep whining about. MMS is insignificant to me (and apparently to Apple as well). If it were implemented I would never even touch it. Actually it would probably make me angry, because I would have to pay an extra .05 every time some douche bag sent me an unwanted picture, just because ATT refuses to allow me to disable texting (they love getting .15 out of my pocket every time some stupid person texts me because they are too lazy to pick up the damn phone)

Anyways, my point is you are accomplishing nothing by continuing to whine about it, Apple is infamous for totally ignoring user concerns about small details like this. All it does is irritate the people who actually appreciate and understand what the iPhone is.

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It's not that Apple didn't put them in...it's that the iPhone system is based off Mac OS X and the copy and paste system on it is very complex.

[gadjet0]

Originally Posted by WillyDavidK

But you knew what you were getting when you signed up for your iPhone. And even if you didn't (right...) you had 30 days to return it.

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It's good to hear you have 30 days in the States, I was informed in the UK outlet that the normal rturns policy did not apply to the Iphone !! and no I didn't know about half the stuff that was missing / badly implemented.

It always looks to me like the various parts of the Iphone SW were written by different groups of people that had no common guidance, i.e html emails have no portrait view !!! ....etc.

Also the people writing the SW had no real knowledge about phone applications but were good at throwing in some other noteworthy feature.

The Iphone is really a love/hate relationship.

Gadjet

[A.T]

What the iPhone needs is the ability to use the whole phone in landscape itself, so if you rotate the phone, everything on the screen also rotates no matter which app you have got open or you are on the homescreen.
It also needs to have the ability to have some shortcut buttons on the lockscreen, C&P DEFINETELY, SMS forwarding and the ability to send files through Bluetooth and to get files on and off without using WiFi, by using USB or Bluetooth.

No I didn't know that most of these features were missing on the iPhone, I knew MMS was missing but I thought it had all the other features that a normal phone had.

The new iPhone when released needs to have metal backs again, removeable battery, 32GB memory, louder and 2 speakers and a camera with flash and on the front, iPhone 2G is still better looking than the 3G!
I mean come on, all 3G phones have a camera for video calling, wtf Apple!
I bet all these features are will be on the 3rd gen iPhone and hopefully cheaper than the 3G until then I'm sticking with my unlocked 2G.

[atrophee]

MMS, Push, cut/copy/paste, able to use keyboard sideways, bluetooth stack supporting stereo headphones, did i say mms???

[Kaas]

cuwl, but yea, it's an idea for apple to let you choose between different routes

[rdwalsh]

All I see here is a bunch of complaints, minus one or two posts. You know if you are that fed up, and you want the features yourself, you have two choices, build it yourself, learn the code, and release. Two, get a job with apple in the r&d group, and begin your scortch of comments and blasting, and then develop and code and release. Because either way, you may be the consumer, but the company still only has to put out what they want. If it doesn't sell then they scrap or try something new.

Thats about as much say in a company's product release, dont like it, dont buy it, they company will change. You bought it, knowing what it DIDNT do, so stop crying already

[boe_dye]

Originally Posted by WillyDavidK

As for street view, I for one would use this on a regular basis. It makes maps 10x more useful, because you can see what lane to be in when the highway forks, you can see what your exit actually looks like, you can see where that tiny residential street actually IS, and the list goes on.

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God I hope you wouldn't try that while you are driving...

Never the less, really how difficult is it anymore to read house numbers? How hard is it to be able to figure out what lane of traffic you should be in? Do we live in such an age where we can't navigate on our own without having to rely on a gadget?

Yeah i'll admit, it's nice to have and pretty cool too see a little blue dot telling me where on the purple line I am, but I lived for many years going places with notes scribbled on a piece of paper and then finally getting out of my car and looking around at house address to find the blue house next to the red brick building 2 houses down the left side of the road.

Street views would run just about as well as cooliris runs. Yes it runs, but it is no where near polished enough where it is as useful as it could be.

Imagine driving along, listening to streaming radio or your ipod feature, and while using google maps and then trying to enable street view so you can figure out which lane to turn into.

You'll miss it entirely trying to get it to update in something that resembles real time.

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Originally Posted by WillyDavidK

This would be far more useful for me than any of the other crap people keep whining about. MMS is insignificant to me (and apparently to Apple as well). If it were implemented I would never even touch it. Actually it would probably make me angry, because I would have to pay an extra .05 every time some douche bag sent me an unwanted picture, just because ATT refuses to allow me to disable texting (they love getting .15 out of my pocket every time some stupid person texts me because they are too lazy to pick up the damn phone)

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Sure MMS doesn't mean a whole lot to me either, but you know, it is a standard that my Nokia from 2001 had.

And yes you can disable text messaging. You have to seriously complain about it but you can disable the feature entirely.

Now as far as the cost, I certainly agree. I just watched a video saying that if you added up the cost of the text messaging, that 1 meg worth of messages would cost upwards to 1200 dollars. I agree that is absurd. Yet here it is, that we still blindly and stupidly pay for it.

Lastly, 30 days is not nearly enough time to get used to the quirks and nuances that come up. Yes great, i could sit on my *** and do nothing but blindly stare at my phone and just run through every feature there is, but until I actually use it in real life then I have no idea what I would need or not need.

90% of the things on it I don't use. I personally could live without the iPod feature. I am not impressed by it, and wouldnt want to risk mucking up my phone while I am Biking after i endo down a large hill cause I wanted to listen to MP3's.

The video feature? Meh, cool, but it's a toy. I watched a movie or two on it converted it down with Winavi and then loaded it up just so i could say that I did it. But so what? Its a selling point that Apple has constantly used to say "look what we can do".

Photos are nice, emailing is very nice, wifi, 3g and full HTML browser VERY nice.

Apps? Cool when you have some time to cool or when you don't have a drummer to jam with...

But again i go back to this: Fix what is needed. Horizontal Keyboard for email, Correct the nonexistent push/fetch, and incorporate mms. Flash would be nice also.

[gadjet0]

Originally Posted by rdwalsh

All I see here is a bunch of complaints, minus one or two posts. You know if you are that fed up, and you want the features yourself, you have two choices, build it yourself, learn the code, and release. Two, get a job with apple in the r&d group, and begin your scortch of comments and blasting, and then develop and code and release. Because either way, you may be the consumer, but the company still only has to put out what they want. If it doesn't sell then they scrap or try something new.

Thats about as much say in a company's product release, dont like it, dont buy it, they company will change. You bought it, knowing what it DIDNT do, so stop crying already

There are only a few ways a company know how well thier product is doing, Sales and Feedback are a couple, Apple have done well with sales and on the whole I wouldn't swap my Iphone for most of the PPC phones out there (I've tried a few) but Apple need to listen to the feedback, you're right, in nearly all the threads there are many people "Crying" about thier Iphones but this is feedback that Apple need to listen to to improve thier product because the Iphone will not remain the only Phone with a good user interface for long.....the Android G1 is just the beginning.

[tetrion]

Well lets just hope that Android's sales biting into Apple's profits, the retirement of Jobs, and the increased competition provides enough impetus for Apple to start implementing these features. Until that time Cydia provides me with the BASIC functionality that should have been there originally, albeit at a price.

[boe_dye]

Steve jobs Retiring?

Bill Gates is the one retiring, Steve Jobs will stay with apple until the day he dies.

The day Steve Jobs is no longer with apple is the day Apple will no longer be Apple.