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09-19-2008, 08:22 AM #41
Get "iPod & iTunes for Dummies", it'll change your life.
09-19-2008, 08:25 AM #42
09-19-2008, 08:30 AM #43
or make a pay option that generates a s/n specific unlock code that gets rid of the ads for good. this would provide end users frustrated by ads the ability to pick and choose which programs will have ads and which won't at the same time still providing revenue for developers. i'm sure you guys have forecasted how much you will make on average based on download numbers and estimated end user usage.
on a side note, do programs like cycorder or categories send statistical access info back to the developers or merely access and display ads? Do you guys have access to real data showing how much these programs are used or how often these programs are accessing the ad sites for content? This seems like useful information to build your "monetization model".
i'm still using 2.0.2, but i hear lag time is fixed with 2.1. it is pretty frustrating waiting so long at times for things to open. knowing that the program is accessing the web looking for ads while what i was trying to record is now gone, gets pretty frustrating.
the bottom line is, if its a great program, then people will be happy to compensate you guys for your time and effort. i happily paid the $8 for swirlymms and i don't use it nearly as much as others. please consider a dual method to generate revenue. if folks are willing to pay to remove ads, maybe its time to give them that option. if the ads don't bother others, they should have the option to keep them.
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09-19-2008, 08:41 AM #45
conveniently it is made to block every ad except on this site
Dunno why though, backbeatmedia is indeed on the hosts list, but it isn't blocking any of the ads here.
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09-19-2008, 09:53 AM #46
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09-19-2008, 09:56 AM #47
We are talking about two kinds of ads, actually.
First, there are the ads that display within an app, which developers like BigBoss and Saurik have in theirs. The revenue from those ads go straight to the developers.
Second, there are the ads that display in Cydia, which are put their by the folks who host the packages for the developers. That's the kind of ads that I and MMi and BigBoss (wearing his hoster hat) put there to generate revenue for us, to pay for the servers and bandwidth that allow you to actually download and install the packages. In my case, it also pays my other bills. Without these ads, we cannot afford to provide the packages to you, which will leave you with nothing to download.
It's as simple as that, really.
09-19-2008, 10:04 AM #48
Saurik and Big Boss, Are there anymore ad sources inside the new Hosts file, which show up in any of your apps? apart from the aforementioned "127.0.0.1 mm.admob.com" that of which i have removed.
Everytime you block a Developer's Ads...God kills a kitten...Change the "Hosts" file...Think of the kittens!
09-19-2008, 10:23 AM #49
09-19-2008, 10:28 AM #50
09-19-2008, 10:35 AM #51
Please note that they appear more than once in the file, so search for and get rid of all of them. In fact, there is a lot of repetition in that file, from what I can see.
09-19-2008, 06:46 PM #52
Well, this whole thing has caused a lot more controversy than I had thought might ever happen.
To be honest I didn't inspect the file to see if it would effect BigBoss and Saurik's ads – I'm more than happy to remove those from the hosted file if it would make you two feel more comfortable.
Truthfully, I have no problem viewing ads in your applications, what I don't like is when I need to get a small bit of information via Safari, having to wait the extra time for ads to load. It doesn't seem like what's in my best interest.
I don't run adblocking software for my home browsing (other than Safari's pop-up blocker), but in my mobile life, where AT&T isn't providing the same kind of experience I have at home speedwise, I'm going to block the ads.
To say we all ought to not block ads on our phones because it is like stealing is just ignorant – the issue is speed, and this helps, its not about evading giving you money. The two things are not comparable, stealing is an intentional disregard for the merchant because of the price of the item, adblocking, especially when some of you don't accept money in any other form, is most certainly not.
BigBoss and Saurik, it truly was not my intent to disable the ads from showing in your apps. Consequently, If you'd like me to remove the entry for your apps ads, let me know if it is just the entry already mentioned and if you change your content/provider and the entry needs changing please forward that along as well.
And to this cat,
To clarify, I'm not worshiping at the feet of Steve Jobs either – just so ya know.
09-19-2008, 06:59 PM #53
Again, please note that it's not just the ads inside developer's apps that need to be seen, but the ads displayed in cydia as you browse packages you can install.
If those ads are blocked, we can't afford to host the packages for you. If you'd like to see the repositories go away and go back to hunting down packages from the developers and manually installing them (assuming the dev knows how to make the .deb, even), then go ahead and block the ads.
All you'll do is destroy the idea of Cydia and repositories and shoot yourself in the foot.
09-19-2008, 08:22 PM #54
09-19-2008, 08:28 PM #55
Well, I run Google AdSense ads on the packages I host in Cydia, as do other repository maintainers. If those ads are to be seen then you need to remove the entries I specified (at the very least) from the hosts file.
If you aren't willing to do that, then you are saying that not seeing ads is more important than having packages to install on your iPhones and iPod Touches, because without those ads, there will not be any packages.
Once there are no packages, you won't have to worry about seeing ads in Cydia, or the apps in it, anymore.
Last edited by sterickson; 09-19-2008 at 08:28 PM. Reason: Corrected a typo.
09-20-2008, 01:50 AM #56
If STE would put previews with their packaging like many others I'd be a lot more excited about the whole deal. Several people take the time to put previews with any image packages such as themes and more, but when I go to an STE package I end up with a big "donate to me" ad and nothing else to view to give me an idea what I am looking to download.
Let's make it good for everybody, give a little get a little if you will. When STE gets up to the level of other packagers that are going through the trouble to put previews with their packages and get up to the level they are at, I'll be first on the block to remove the ad blocking. I do not download STE packages because I never know what I am getting.
09-20-2008, 02:22 AM #57
09-20-2008, 03:01 AM #58
Untrue backatcha, I am literally looking through Cydia as we speak. Same old "donate" screen it always was. Who wants to follow a link off the installer? Others are putting everything right there.
09-20-2008, 03:11 AM #59
Untrue re-backatcha. Gone till the letter M, and i've only encountered 4 packages that lead you to the donate page (and the developers page).
Others are not putting it right there, they lead you to links too, albeit links that look better on the iphone.
09-20-2008, 05:01 AM #60
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First off, let me say that I'm all in support of paying the developers. I understand the need to pay the rent, and would not want to make that any more difficult for anyone. But I have to call FUD on a on couple points here.
Psuedo-IP FUD, pure and simple. I mean really, go read that again and think about it for a moment.
Needing to pay the bills is understandable in it's own right, there's no need to try and bolster it with such absurdities.
I don't mind having an ad on the server that's hosting the download of a product. You'll see it when you download (whether through a browser or cydia or whatever) and it helps cover the cost of performing that very download. And if there's a cost for the thing being downloaded, so be it. But to continue showing ads at every use of the product, particularly when there is no additional cost incurred by it's use (other than the bandwidth of serving that very same ad) is a bit harder to justify. With no way to turn them off, it brushes just short of becoming spam.
(I'm guessing that you're not going so far as to suggest that people blocking spam are stealing, or should stop using email if they don't want to read it.)
At least provide a way to turn them off, and you may find some people are more willing to purchase/donate. Others may prefer the ads if that matches their financial situation, and that's fine too.
People will always find a way to avoid annoyances (ads in this case) so the trick is to find a way to get income from them doing so, rather than depending on preventing it for your income.
As for me, I'm going to make a donation to saurik's paypal as a thanks for all his great work, and then I'm going to go block all ads from my phone.