[angel129116]

This looks well nice! Bring on installer 4. I do miss it since upgrading to 2.0

[Acidlump]

nice i don't like cydia so this will be great w00

[rx7girltk]

I just want summerboard back

[imode]

Originally Posted by Willrimmer

imode69 is a *****.
What sources? Only a dumbass would ask that..
How about the sources hosted by the devs themselves? Oooh, I guess it's us silly little "amusing folk" that like to get our apps as they come out.
Case in point; swirrlyMMS.
They had a custom source up a full week before it was hosted anywhere else.

Hmmm with 3 posts to your credit since last September... I see you are quite knowledgeable and involved in the iPhone community. Why wouldn't a dev just register their app with Cydia?

Don't really understand your point and yes I find you amusing.

[ab0530]

soooooo do we have a definite answer as to weather we will have to repwn if we already jailbroke the iphone when INSTALLER comes out?

[fidosam]

Can't wait

[imode]

Originally Posted by ab0530

soooooo do we have a definite answer as to weather we will have to repwn if we already jailbroke the iphone when INSTALLER comes out?

Installer is an application just like any other application. There is no reason why you would need to "repwn" your phone. Just install it like any other application. If it is not hosted on Cydia then it will have to be installed manually.

[zauriel]

Originally Posted by lh99

In fact, since Installer is all proprietary while Cydia is standards-based, they're probably having a harder time, which is why it's not out yet. Or maybe they're spending all their time on the unnecessary eye candy displayed in this thread.

Why is "eye candy" unnecessary? A well designed GUI to compliment the guts is not unnecessary, rather it is quite essential. Maybe you should tell Apple that they shouldn't spend time on their "eye candy" either and just put the iPhone out there with no bells or whistles. Screw the glass and aluminum! Give us a scrap metal iPhone!

Neither Installer nor Cydia control the quality or quantity of the apps, they just install 'em. Yes Installer could (in 1.1.4 and below) add unofficial sources and Cydia can't. Cydia already has some support for adding sources now, and Saurik has made sources the project's top priority, so I don't think it'll be too much more of a wait.

So Cydia is working on something that Installer had. And Installer is working on stuff the improve upon its previous incarnations that Cydia does. What's your point? Competition results in better programs for us all.

I think it's great that Cydia came out first for 2.0, because now it may have a chance to completely supplant Installer. Why do we need three package installers (including the AppStore)? What possible benefit does this have other than forcing you to check multiple locations for updates? What all of you really want is the quantity of apps available in Installer, not Installer itself.

Why do you assume that everyone who likes Installer isn't smart enough to realize that just because they get this new version working on 2.0, it won't contain all the apps listed back on 1.1.4? That's mighty pretentious of you. I certainly can't speak for everyone out there, but I want Installer. Itself. You're right, it does suck to check multiple locations for updates. Which is why as soon as Installer 4 is ready and hosting packages, I will be downloading everything I want from there, and the only things I will be downloading from Cydia are things I can't get from Installer, same as I did on 1.1.4. Installer was there first, and they've been hard at work on getting this new version running. Cydia is not going to supplant it. But don't stop dreaming big.

Cydia is just plain better even if it's not as pretty.

If Cydia and Installer were potential girlfriends, I'd rather go with the prettier one that's not *quite* as smart but still gets the same ::ahem:: job done.

Who writes installer? Why do they do it? What if they start charging a fee to use it? What if they start installing spyware without your knowledge? How would you know? Nullriver is just some company (that's now selling apps on the AppStore) who has who knows what agenda for Installer.

Why not accuse the Installer folks of clubbing baby seals while you're at it? It's easy to start throwing around accusations that have no basis in reality. I mean, what if Cydia started requiring you to enter in your social security number in order to use it?!?!1!

Ever installed something in Installer that told you, once installed, that you have to install something else before you can use it? Yeah, Cydia and every other package manager in the world would have done that for you (it's called dependencies).

No, I never ran into a case where I downloaded something from Installer and then, after being fully installed, had that program tell me I needed something else first. This was usually because Installer allowed app devs to input their own warnings during the download process that told you if you needed something else (first example that pops to mind is ScrewCommon and vWallpaper). I never had any surprises. It's a moot point anyway, as the new Installer eliminates that need.

In short, I agree that most iPhone users would be best off waiting. But you're not waiting for Installer.

Yes. Yes I am. And I'd thank you kindly not to advise me what I am or am not waiting for and why. Stick to your own opinions on the Installer/Cydia battle, rather than talk down to those that don't like the program you back. If you like Cydia, great. Use it. Promote it. Whatever. Just don't treat those of us that prefer Installer like children who don't know what's going on.

[tommy202]

I have pwnd up too 2.0 and am quite happy with cydia. It's not as bad as ppl make out for godsake. Think everyone needs to chilli out a little installer is just around the corner. I myself would just like to be upto date on everything!

[jwaschbisch]

I think that everyone needs to calm down a little. Why is the whole installer/cydia thing such a heated debate? I personally could care less which one makes you pop a trouser tent. Thanks to all the developers responsible for cydia and installer; without you I could never pimp my phone.

[lostgame]

Listen, I've gotta say, I like Cydia, and while I agree with those that say the Cydia hate is 99% centered around the lack of apps and n00bs who're begging for their summerboard, I have to say that cydia is horridly unstable and crashes consistently on my 3G. I've had nothing but problems with it since I installed it and had the exact same problems on my iPod touch 1.1.4. These problems never happened with installer - it's been stable and issue-free on my touch since 1.1.1. So while Cydia may get the job done, I'd prefer to have a stable, well-rounded program than a rushed, open effort.

[codeseven]

I'd have to agree with lostgame. As far as stability, personally I think Installer does an excellent job. I had Cydia back on my 1.1.3 (maybe it has improved since then) and had nothing but issues with it - and issues with uninstalling it. But, to each their own. I can't wait for this new Installer to come out. It's looking great. And just to make sure I'm understanding this correctly, there is no need to for repwning the iPhone to put the new Installer on there, correct? Like mentioned above, it's an app just like any other?

[imode]

Originally Posted by codeseven

I'd have to agree with lostgame. As far as stability, personally I think Installer does an excellent job. I had Cydia back on my 1.1.3 (maybe it has improved since then) and had nothing but issues with it - and issues with uninstalling it. But, to each their own. I can't wait for this new Installer to come out. It's looking great. And just to make sure I'm understanding this correctly, there is no need to for repwning the iPhone to put the new Installer on there, correct? Like mentioned above, it's an app just like any other?

To Repeat: Installer is an Application. It is no different than any other app you install on your iPhone. It is not some special app that requires re-pwning. When it becomes available you will install it from Cydia or install it manually.

[vinividiiphone]

lh99 - couldn't agree more.

[Commodore Calderon]

Awesome, hope to have all three on my phone when this comes out. Now if my borken glass screen could fix itself with a program that would be sweet.