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Thread: Jaku for iOS 5
08-14-2012, 10:04 AM #14341
I think it's safe to say the guys here that are helping learned on their own. I know I did. I didn't have anyone to ask questions of when I was first figuring this stuff out. I took the initiative and found the answers myself.
And you know what? Rewarding. As. F*ck.
I don't think I'd want to mod my phone without understanding why or what or how.
I'll help people find the answers for themselves, but I'm really not going to just do everything for them. I've already modded a number of my own devices. I don't want to do theirs too.
Oh, and the argument about how long the thread is and that being the reason someone doesn't want to search is going to be met with anger. If you're not willing to do a little footwork, it's positively ludicrous to ask someone else to do it for you.
It's arrogant, selfish and I will not help those people. Someone has to search back into the thread for the answer and it might as well be the person with the question in the first place, wouldn't you say??
Last edited by Chaotic Buddhist; 08-14-2012 at 10:06 AM.
08-14-2012, 10:36 AM #14342
We come here to catch up with jaku, see of anyone published something new we like and maybe share or help someone if we know the answer and feel like it, we don't get paid for helping you, and how do we know the answers? Because we went and searched the web, we aren't robots that just know everything (well, most of us aren't) I know a lot of people that sometimes think I'm just a help center, and ask me about extremely stupid things, like how do i pass level 5 in this game you never heard of?
You should be thankful that most of the guys here are nice enough to help, we owe you nothing!
08-14-2012, 10:39 AM #14343
Last edited by King Of Kweenz; 08-14-2012 at 10:47 AM.
08-14-2012, 10:49 AM #14344
Just because someone is in the thread doesn't make them the support line.
I'd also like to point out that a despite my attempts to help, many of the "gimme" folks have attacked me personally. Where is my motivation to help those people?
It's a two way street man. Ask for help, don't expect it. If nobody answers, maybe nobody knows. Did you think about that?
08-14-2012, 10:54 AM #14345
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08-14-2012, 11:01 AM #14347
08-14-2012, 11:02 AM #14348
I kind of sit on the fence on this whole "help yourself" debate.
I totally agree with CB in that fact that learning this stuff on your own is 100% rewarding. There is definitely a sense of pride knowing that you took the initiative to learn something and then following through with it. So it does get frustrating when others try to take a shortcut and gain some or all of that knowledge you took your own time to learn. And yes, Google is your friend, but searching on Google is a skill in itself. You need to know what you are searching for.
However, I will say that this thread does seem to have an unspoken set of rules that some people feel the need to enforce at times. Like when a screenshot is posted and someone posts a request for an element in the SS. Certain members are pretty quick to post a simple "Take it to PM" reply to those requests to keep the forum free of that "clutter". Yet at the same time, those same members will flood the thread with useless off topic chit chat. At least the request for something is somewhat related to the topic at hand and in all honesty is the type of thing I expect to see in a forum like this.
I can understand how infrequent visitors/posters to this thread would feel intimidated and not want to post based on the responses some others have gotten. But it is a two way street. If you ask for help, then at least do some initial research on your own on the topic and then show your appreciation if/when someone helps you. Then take that help and use it next time to try and fix your next issue, and the next, and the next. It will all start to snowball.
Saying you don't want to read through 700+ pages may come off as lazy but let's be honest:
1. 50% of those pages are non-Jaku related posts so that is alot of crap to wade through
2. If any one of the "senior" members asked something like "Hey, I was looking for X and forgot where to find it" they would not get any grief.
3. Answering a request does not always mean looking through 700 pages of posts. The hope is that someone may see the request and already know the answer. I don't think anyone is asking someone else to go though 700 pages for them.
This is an endless debate that will never really get settled. If it was, these forums would be way too efficient.
Last edited by akrimmer; 08-14-2012 at 11:11 AM.
08-14-2012, 11:06 AM #14349
@akrimmer fantastic post sir.Have a random themeing/jaku question? Hit me up on twitter to avoid an off topic post. I am glad to help.
08-14-2012, 11:13 AM #14350
08-14-2012, 11:15 AM #14351
@ Everyone - I've said this before and I will say it one last time...we shouldn't police these threads and should leave any of our troubles for the Moderators to assist with (use the 'Report Post' option if a member is not abiding the "Forum" rules). We don't have rules in the Jaku thread, but we do have suggestions that we hope new members may adhere, but we don't have the authority to enforce those. From new members, regular member to senior members...no one should be getting upset if someone is requesting something. If you don't want to help, or just frustrated with the comment...ignore it. If that same person comes back a few post later and ask again...ignore it. If they come back again and are more aggressive and on the verge of being rude to other members, use the "Report Post" feature and leave it in the hands of the Mods.
But as others have said, and as frustrating as it is...we can't say it enough and try to help yourself before asking others for assistance. Please try to mention you've "Used the 'Search Thread' function and came up with nothing helpful on my question (perhaps wrong keywords)" or "I've used Google already and may not be using the right words and would appreciate any assistance with my question" or "If someone can give a little guidance on where to find this answer, I will be happy to take it from there".
I'm just as annoyed at those that don't want to help themselves as much as I am annoyed at those that get angry at new members for asking their questions. Ask for help, don't get angry when you don't get help. Help someone, but don't get angry at someone asking for help.
Last edited by bankai44; 08-14-2012 at 11:18 AM.
08-14-2012, 11:31 AM #14352
08-14-2012, 11:51 AM #14353
08-14-2012, 11:57 AM #14354
08-14-2012, 12:16 PM #14355
You nailed it perfectly.
First, a gift so I'm not totally off topic. These are some textures I've been working on and I give them to you freely to do with as you please should you so desire.
Secondly, I fully agree we shouldn't police the thread. It's not our job, and frankly, it's lead to nothing but headaches.
If someone is out of line, report the post and let the mods handle it... I know, I know..... but regardless of how wrong their logic is, it's still their job. Let them do it and move on.
C. Don't feed the trolls. Don't. Don't reply, don't acknowledge, don't even mention them. If they know they mean nothing to us, they will move on.
And fifth, why did I go from second to C? Because sometimes off-topic is needed. Did we go too far? Yeah, but tell me that's the first time.......
Finally, D. shut up and make icons. Help if you can, don't if you can't. Ask for help if you need it, but don't get whiny, bitchy or demanding because that brings out that bad in each of us.
Last edited by Chaotic Buddhist; 08-14-2012 at 12:37 PM.
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