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07-30-2012, 05:55 PM #421
Lol. He was done with me, now the rest of the thread. Fair enough, you gave your full expressed opinion backed by facts and reason and your personal experience, Saurik. And I gave mine based on my reasoning and personal experience. So we can agree to disagree. And I can agree not to annoy you any more. Because I know there is not anything else I can say or do to convince you otherwise other than getting wyndwarrior, which from experience I know is an impossible task. But getting ahold of the icon and father of all things jailbreak and all things open source on an iphone for a, however heated and at my fault and your expense, chat is something not only possible, but something in it of itself I appreciate, which I cannot stress enough. I think I've humiliated myself enough and ignorantly tried to speak on behalf of others about things I frankly had little experience or knowledge of. But I must learn from my mistakes, and by taking your time to reply to a loud-mouthed idiot on some random forum, you took the time to right the wrong and set the facts straight not just to myself but to the community at large, showing that you are far more than a guy with an awesome beard sitting behind a desk.
And with this final rant I vow to end all future rants (in this thread) so we can get back to nominating some winterboard themes as this thread was originally and always intended for.
And another thanks to the MMi staff for not giving me an infraction or kicking me off the site for my outrageous off-topic rants.
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07-30-2012, 06:37 PM #422
ISTS for winterboard/ 1 nomination
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07-30-2012, 07:13 PM #423
Piracy is costing you and your business partners (themers) a heck of a lot of money and it's a valid question and one that is valid to ask at any time as your stance may have changed or perhaps your outlook. It appears not.
I'm sorry you feel that answering questions, even redundant ones from your business partners and customers, is a problem. I won't bother to reply on why I disagree with you as you are clearly not interested in a discussion. Thank you, though, for this much as it was illuminating.
07-30-2012, 09:55 PM #424
It is thereby common courtesy, not only to me, but to others who might benefit from my time, and even to others attempting to communicate using this discussion board (either on this specific topic, which is now totally off track, or others) to attempt to get the answer using simpler means first, including taking ten seconds to perform a Google search, before deciding to insult me in public on a forum and throw a virtual fit because I'm supposedly ignoring you, even after I had already spent an hour the night before (in the middle of the night, when I already was going to be getting almost no sleep for work-related reasons) answering all of the other less-repetitive questions.
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07-30-2012, 10:33 PM #425
Saurik will you try my theme and give me your new opinions on dreamboard the publicity shouldn't hurt either.
07-30-2012, 11:33 PM #426
Again, as stated, it is quite possible that you have changed your position on piracy. What we thought in 2008 may not be what we think in 2012. Perhaps just stating that you have answered it previously and nothing has changed would save you time and also show courtesy to the questioner. After all, these are your customers and it is a subject which a lot of people have strong thoughts of.
Just food for thought as mine was the comment that you initially responded under with the words "blatant liar" with no identifier. No response is requested as I am clarifying my position as you feel it was just as a frivolous time waster and I'd like to reassure you that it was not intended as such (reasons as stated).
07-31-2012, 12:08 AM #427
How can you not understand his hostility KimV? This entire rant started slandering him in every way shape and form. You can't be serious.
07-31-2012, 12:26 AM #428
Finally someone said what I've been saying all along. Only in a much nerdier way.
Stop whining and ******** about piracy. You can choose not to support it or give it a forum but it will always be there. It's a polarity....well ok I won't try to be nerdish.
Suffice it to say, be grateful that this broken into platform exists for themers and cydia devs to make a dime or even have a platform. If you have to break into a place then don't be surprised when your own pocket gets picked.
Cydia may host pirates but it is the jailbreak itself that we all love that actually opens the door to the piracy.
Sure they say the jb was not intended for piracy but you can't have it both ways. Apple created a closed source which kept pirates at bay. We don't like restrictions so we create a jb. All fine and good, after all it is our device. Ah but the web is wide and open and teeming with pirates.
"All that and not a single drop
"Drink up me hearties, yo ho!"
- captain jack sparrow
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07-31-2012, 12:51 AM #429
If you can't see his stance, even when he spells it out in clear concise steps, then the problem is your reading comprehension not because of his lack of wanting a discussion on the matter
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07-31-2012, 12:54 PM #430
I was commenting on his hostility to the question (mine regarding piracy, not someone else's screed) and that we (I) should do our (my) research without having the audacity to continue asking.
That's assuming people don't change their minds or opinions. After all, President Obama has changed his opinion on *** marriage during his tenure in office. Minds/opinions change. He could have very easily just said "nothing has changed, please google for clarity". Extremely easy and polite.
I will not be responding further. Please PM if you have a comment or wish to continue this.
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07-31-2012, 03:16 PM #431
I said I would stop talking here, but honestly I feel the need to clarify on behalf of saurik so he can stop wasting his time here that was mostly (almost entitely) my fault.
He had every right to be hostile to me and in this thread because I was about as hostile as it gets when I called him greedy and discriminatory in a number of ways. But he took the time to explain that I was very much misinformed, that cydia barely, if at all, makes money with all the insane server costs, the fact that 90% of cydia users only get free apps, the fact that the biggest money maker, intelliborns' products, he only gets 1% of the revenue. I apologized for my misunderstandings and slanderings but he left unanswered my and other questions with regards to piracy. Then after several people asked this same question he responded to multiple times in multiple places and after putting up with my ****, he actually took the time to respond thoroughly and completely but in a somewhat harsher tone of annoyance which is understandable after continuously being blasted in a public forum. So he set the facts straight, and he deserves a lot of credit for that as well as everything hes done to make cydia and make everything possible so that there is need for a great site and community like this to exist.
As for his piracy "position", i realize now from his explaination, it is not a "position" but rather a statement of reality. #1- it is not possible or reasonable to fundamentally change cydia in a way that would allow him to block pirate repos. #2- if it was possible and he did it, pirates would use other methods to add pirate repos, make a separate pirate store or even separate jailbreak, and make piracy worse and cause a lot more trouble and harm to the community as a whole than already exists. #3- Blocking repos not only wouldnt solve piracy and wouldnt be possible but if done would fundamentally undermine the entire fundamental basis of an open source platform and hurt existing communities that try to use the platform. Cydia would become apple, and while apple may think they have "the best of intentions" with "curation", the process of a closed system and rejection is exactly the reason cydia exists as seen in its mission statement. SOPA says it was for fighting piracy, but in reality it would eliminate internet freedom, violate net neutrality, and unfairly punish many people despite that not being the original intentions of the law. It would be no different with a closed cydia. And from this we see that as unfortunately as it may be, there is no way to stop piracy on any form of media, it has and will always exist but fighting it will only make it worse and you dont want a bunch of trained black hat hackers against you. Look what happened to sony, to the US government in response to megaupload. As unforunate as it is, the only viable "solution" to piracy is no solution. For every "fix" will only stall and waste more of your time, or more likely with a bigger scenario like cydia, lead to backlash that is far worse.
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08-02-2012, 02:11 AM #432
just my 2cents, but i don't think this thread was open for this kind of discussion. if needed, perhaps you guys should open another thread
08-02-2012, 09:38 PM #433
I personally would like to nominate SenseS to be a featured theme. I am really surprised it is not there now.
It is ok to take a stand against something wrong in life. The way you make your stand defines not only who you are, but the reaction or consequence rather of your actions. it is simple physics. The main reason i am at this site, is because a Good friend of mine, Durben, lead me here from a pirate site. I attempt to thank him regularly.
and might I add that SenseS HD should be on the featured theme list. and Jimmy Le should be a featured artist.
08-03-2012, 03:03 AM #434
(For those that don't already know: I was the developer who decided to fork WB and later chose to submit patches to saurik instead)
Sorry to continue the threadjacking, but I figured I should point out these misunderstandings.
08-03-2012, 11:33 AM #435
08-03-2012, 04:42 PM #436
blah. back to nominations. now this thread is as boring, trivial and useless as it was before.
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08-03-2012, 06:10 PM #437
Man its hot up in here, or was! Why oh why couldn't the Rock comment system been "Aped" (copied/ported/cloned - pick one)? Another day another 100 JB apps gimping phones across the community. Like Apple's app store and Google's Play a Cydia comment system would inform developers and warn users especially when a release goes horribly wrong! In both stores this has happened a thousand times in the time it took to "throw this log on the flickering flame that is this thread" .
This is even more critical since we are talking about many JB apps that require "root" access. Heck, I bet KM (a.k.a. Poetic Folly - how cool is that handle) would love to manage a centralized Cydia commenting system in exchange for prime ad real estate. No excuse, so lets turn the heat back up shall we?
PS To quote a famous French Poet named Nelly - "Its gettin hot in here, so take off all your clothes. I am, gettin so hot, I wanna take my clothes off..."
08-03-2012, 11:04 PM #438
08-04-2012, 12:05 AM #439
Back to nomination! Please
Carla for ios !!!
08-04-2012, 01:15 AM #440
Yeah ! And i.Simply also, wich it come back stronger with new widgets
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