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05-19-2010, 03:57 PM #1[LEAKING] To those who find it acceptable...
Thanks to certain members and/or visitors of this forum, we have recently lost "Stroke" by Marteen.
Turns out some people seem to find it acceptable to reveal beta's and previews of which they have been entrusted with all over the internet. Infact, they pay hard earned cash for it just to go and release it to others.
But, it's not just "Stroke" were loosing. Us here at MMI are also loosing many more. The same person who leaked "Stroke" also leaked "Eight OS" and thanks to him, we no longer have ANY updates on the Beta, we just have to wait for the release. Oh, and to top it off, "Seven OS" AND "iNitsua Z Twilight Neostyle" have both been leaked within one week.
And if you think it stops at previews, it doesnt. almost every paid theme has been leaked all over the internet, which completely ruins the point of making a theme paid. It also does not support theme makers, which leads to them giving up their hobby because they feel cheated by those in our community.
--WHAT CAN YOU DO?--
Im asking that if your trusted by themers to own a beta, you should not abuse it. Especially if you know the beta is paid. I'm also asking that you support all themers with a donate or atleast a thanks! This will encourage our community to continue their creations and themes. If all themes were free, people wouldn't spend as long on them, they wouldnt be as complete and we would end up with awful themes with a limited number of icons, a wallpaper and a dock.
So, support our themers, donate if possible, be a trustworthy person and NEVER leak a theme.
IF YOU ARE FOUND TO LEAK ANY THEME YOU WILL BE GIVEN AN INFRACTION - FACT!
--TO ALL MODERATORS--
Can you please make this a sticky, im going to update it tommorow with a full debate, explaining the outcomes of such an action in a much better written post.
Right now its pretty late in the UK and I have an exam friday, (in 34 hours! )
--TO ALL THEMERS--
Never, ever give up on your theme. there are people who support you, throughout the thick and the thin. If you keep the beta to a selected, trusted few, then you should be able to keep it under wraps.
And as for releases... there are anti piracy techniques you can put in place, other than that you just have to put your trust in people!
Thank you for reading this, and thank you for your continued support to those who deserve it,
Last edited by RelentlessDan; 05-20-2010 at 09:10 AM. Reason: Updated list of leaked themes.
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05-19-2010, 04:05 PM #2
I appreciate it
you can mention he also leaked iNitsua Z Twilight Neostyle and Seven OSIf you'd like, follow me on Twitter: @16Maarten
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05-19-2010, 04:10 PM #3
haa anytime man, you deserve it. pretty dissapointed right now, thought id show it.
check out the updated read ive added the extra leaks aswell.
its getting out of hand, REALLY out of hand.
I just hope this can be made a sticky so as it can be seen by everyone forever.. :/
05-19-2010, 04:15 PM #4
no matter if you put protection on it there is always someone who breaks it just as K. nitsua it sucks people leak things, not much we can do it's inevitable. Thanks for posting this man glad to see you care and support themers and all the hard work we put into our themes. It really takes up so much time to create a theme that is complete and actually looks good. My themes have been leaked on a bunch of websites, I just learned to accept it being inevitable.
05-19-2010, 04:17 PM #5
I need to learn to live with it I think....If you'd like, follow me on Twitter: @16Maarten
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05-19-2010, 04:18 PM #6
your right, but equally it doesnt make it right. alot of hard work goes into those themes! :/ just got to me really,
05-19-2010, 04:18 PM #7
I almost think its better to not even bring it up. There is a lot of noobs that dont know about it and when its brought up they can easily find everything in a google search. I myself at one point didnt even know about these leaks and such until I had saw someone mention it. Its going to be a never ending battle.
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05-19-2010, 04:20 PM #8
i suppose, but if you want something that bad a google search will lead to you finding it. and thats the same for movies, software, anything really. its just life.
but we cant hide it away and pretend it doesnt happen cos it does. and maybe if we made people aware of what this does to our themers they might think twice about it before they go ahead and click download. perhaps they might see the donate button and find that the more attractive button to press.
05-19-2010, 04:25 PM #9
agreed much appreciate the donate button instead haha. by the way i'll be waiting for that ipad you are sending me, that way i'll have a backup incase something happens to mine
05-19-2010, 04:26 PM #10
As much as your post is thoughtful & "cute" , the bottom line will always be "Piracy will always exist" & if you have been in the theming scene long enough you should learn for it to not bother you as you can't defeat it...AND THATS A FACT.
I don't really Want to get into this too much, but I defiantly do appreciate what you're doing and what you said
But only if we lived in a world were everything was that simple
05-19-2010, 04:26 PM #11
well, no heading to bed, it's 12:26 over here, so time to sleep, big test tomorrow
cheersIf you'd like, follow me on Twitter: @16Maarten
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05-19-2010, 04:29 PM #12
yeah umm... the ipad is DEFINATELY in the mail as we speak,
and yes hopefully haa :P
its the same idea really sorry for the bad comparison :P
and goodnight marteen, i see you removed your sig :/ i guess it really is over now :S ouch!
Last edited by RelentlessDan; 05-19-2010 at 04:29 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
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05-19-2010, 04:34 PM #13
You can't win. Some people just suck! Yes I said it. The funny part is if someone ( a young adult) wanted anyone of my paid themes and didn't have access to paypal I would of just gave it to them. I've done it many times for people here at MMI. I would much rather be the one to give my theme away then a rat passing it along like it's a drug.
To tell you the truth just the word pirate makes my skin crawle!
At best this could be a place to blow off steam. Afterall we all have to live with ourseleves and like my dad once told me "son, you may not have all the toys the next person has but what you do have is your name. Don't let it end up in the dirt".
Words I live by.
But like the first post states if it continues we will loose some of our best themers. This was a major reason seven os will be my last public theme. The amount of time it takes and the sacrafice is hardley worth it.
I'll continue doing this hobbie but keep them to myself and the good friends of mine that I can trust.
Thanks to all that have supported my efforts over the last year. It's been a journey I'll never forget.
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05-19-2010, 04:40 PM #14
haa good advice by your dad there
well, thank you for appreciating my post.
i see why your not doing public releases anymore. its a shame a real shame
if you ever make a theme please pm me the details, i might drop you a donation, seven os looks pretty complete. I would test it but right now i got marteen's stroke theme on and i hate changing themes all the time! :P
it takes too much of my time.
we are loosing are best themers, your right.
keep theming, you obviously enjoy it. and like i said a pm would be nice from time to time
thanks for your themes.
im off now, goodnight thanks for support everyone!
05-19-2010, 04:56 PM #15
05-19-2010, 04:56 PM #16
Nice post relentless, its about time someone posted something about this! i totally agree with you, i know where to get free stuff but i never have done it, i've always paid my way.
It makes me sick to know that folk out there spend alot of time and effort into making our life much more enjoyable and theres nothing anyone can do...crazy!!
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05-19-2010, 05:07 PM #17
I may be naive but who would you give the theme to..like friends? Unless I am missing something, I am shocked. These themes are priced wayyyyy below the value. I mean theme creators spend hours and hours of their time to create the master piece and their willingness to share AND to put up with all the inquiries on these forums..it does not even come to minimum wages? So why would you even think about just "giving" it away?
I learned something new. Lot of time people would ask me why my iphone look "sexier" than the regular phones, I usually guide them to this site and let them make the decision about JB and buying the themes etc... Anyways, if this is true then it sucks big time. Where are the morals & ethics?
05-19-2010, 05:32 PM #18
Z- you ain't vacationing, taking a break, retiring, or even resting for that matter.
You are doing your father justice my friend!! Anytime I hear "Z" or "Zaus" or "Zausser" I think of one BAD AZ theme creator!! I can tell by the way that you handle yourself, that you are much much more than that in "real" life! So whatever you do, keep "doing it like your doing it for TV"
On the piracy issue- I have had many a theme creator come and consult with me on this subject. It is something that I have learned to cope with. At first being very difficult!! I was accually talking to a coworker about it today... One thing that makes no sense to me is how saurik let's these repos move copies of HIS OWN paid products (as well as many others) through his pipeline??That just doesn't make any sense! Well to wrap I up, the appreciation that we get, and the relationships that we build far exceed what a "pirate" can take from me....
Z- back to work bossman!! ;P
05-19-2010, 05:36 PM #19
05-19-2010, 05:49 PM #20
It is very sad that we are losing themers because of pirates. It annoys me that people are sooooooo cheap that a dollar or two will break them. Same goes for apps. People put a lot of work into the themes and deserve the pay or donations. And the theme creators we have here at MMi are wonderful too. As zausser mentioned above; there are many theme creators that are very kind and do give out free copies to those that are having a hard time.