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Originally Posted by Happy Noodle Boy The problem is that we don't live in a magical fairy land where networks have unlimited bandwidth and everyone can max out they're connections
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    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Noodle Boy View Post
    The problem is that we don't live in a magical fairy land where networks have unlimited bandwidth and everyone can max out they're connections everywhere without having to worry about the other 80-100 million people they have to share said services with.

    These limitations suck but are in place for a reason.
    Yeah, so AT&T can continue over-promising and under-delivering. They could advertise lower speeds, cap per-user bandwidth, meet promised speeds, and upgrade network capacity once they can (right now it's a balance of 3G expansion vs. 3G capacity upgrades) but that wouldn't look good. Rather than invest in network capacity, they'd rather advertise the highest capable speed and restrict its use.... just like cable companies and other ISPs. Any future increses in capacity will only promote bigger promises, not less restrictions.

    You wanna know how I know? Inside info. All ISPs are guilty of "traffic shaping." The one I am intimately familiar with tells us to tell all customers that we do not when we absolutely do... the WORST kind (all unrecognized traffic has low priority; all speedtests and mainstream domains get higher priority; Bittorrent protocol is tampered with to slow it down to a crawl; VoIP services are affected and customers are told to sign up for our own secretly-prioritized telephone service; etc). What may be mainstream like, say, HD streaming and remote game services (streaming low-latency HD video to the user and input from the user) in the future may never get a chance due to this behavior. It kills new uses for bandwidth before the tech has a chance to exist or innovate just because it isn't already as popular as YouTube.

    Net neutrality. It's important.

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    There are a lot of places where this isn't the case. Everytime I run a speed test in NY, I'm barely able to pull 100kbits/s (that is ~12KBytes/s)
    That's because the network is overloaded, not because the tech is incapable. Cable ISPs have the same problem. Mine refuses to buy more bandwidth and does this kind of traffic shaping so that they can continue selling less for more. Peak hours can slow dramatically. The ones that don't seem to are usually using SEVERE traffic-shaping or they grew a conscience and actually bought more bandwidth from a provider. The difference with cellphone networks is that it has a lot to do with how many users there are per tower and each tower doesn't multiply the available bandwidth... they form their own small microwave mesh networks on the back end with a single bandwidth source the frequency of which is determined by the cell company. This means that they can be overloaded per tower or per group of towers simply because they don't want to spend enough to add Internet bandwidth capacity per-tower.

    Note: My understanding of cell network tech is extrapolated but I believe it to be somewhat accurate.
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    I agree...3G speeds are antiquated and overloaded at this point until the 4G networks are more established. Even then, a bog down will arise as everyone chases the transitions between technologies. I'm so glad I saved my money by not getting the iPad 3G and sticking with the Wi-Fi only version. Using 3G is painful unless you just want to check your email or do some casual web browsing. Streaming video content! Forget it... It's like a scratched DVD that skips and eventually you get tired of it and don't watch it. Best bet is to get a Wi-Fi portable modem (Sprint or Verizon) that let's you access at a higher 4G bandwidth for now and just tether your iPad to it. Just an opinion... Cheers and enjoy your Eye Pads

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    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Noodle Boy View Post
    The problem is that we don't live in a magical fairy land where networks have unlimited bandwidth and everyone can max out they're connections everywhere without having to worry about the other 80-100 million people they have to share said services with.

    These limitations suck but are in place for a reason.
    We have a lot of problems here in the UK (but no more than most countries)but it seems that on our networks (all support high speed 3G)everything is spred around, I have always had a reliable 3G signal even in the middle of nowhere.At least our networks agreed to all use the same frequencies so turning on data roaming means something here,and as 4 of our networks officially sell the iPhone I would imagine the iPad would not be any different,signal wise.
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    Leave me with my wifi model and mywi thank you.
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    isnt that saying "our 3G network is too crappy to support the iDevice consumers that we wanted in the first place"? god im glad att isnt in the UK. but then again O2 isnt that great either.

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    I understand the bandwidth issues, but youtube over 3g is almost unwatchable. It is so pixelated it looks like crap, all because ATT cant handle the bandwidth. But when I watch youtube or stream netflix over my Sprint 3g mi fi card it looked great, and had no issues. Took a little longer to load, but didnt hitch or loose connection at all while watching a movie. This is why apple needs to get away from ATT because ATT is holding back the potential of their products. I have a Ipad 3g, but I will still just keep using my sprint card as I get quadruple the coverage area, and can use all functions of the ipad, without it downsizing quality for 3g use.

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    Jailbreak + pdanet or mywi and the program limitations disappear. Doesn't help the bandwidth issue, but it's progress. I tried a palm pre with verizon mobile hotspot. It sucked. Very very slow and I dropped connection to the phone all the time.

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    Here the wifi is not far off from my 3g speeds. I get 2.5 to 3.5mbps dl. The upload is horrible but dl speeds are great! When I tether and do simple browsing, it's actually hard to notice the difference between the 2

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    For those of you that don't get it, there are two reasons why apple does this:
    1) If 3G was not capped on it's speed it would run down the battery. Apple does this so they will have control of how the iPhone performs and how long it performs for.
    2) as said before there is a network regulation on how much data can come from 1 certain tower which is why you may have 10 3G towers in a 5 mile radius or you may have 4 or 5.

    If your in a heavy populated area everyone (for the most part) is demanding a piece of the pie constantly.

    Solution:
    1. Jailbreak and use 3G unrestricted or an app that does the same feature.
    2. Wifi models, hopefully you have an iPhone and it's jailbroken, then you can run mywifi or a similar app to use your phone as a router.

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    Quote Originally Posted by extremzocker View Post
    isnt that saying "our 3G network is too crappy to support the iDevice consumers that we wanted in the first place"? god im glad att isnt in the UK. but then again O2 isnt that great either.
    I bet you that the Youtube app downsamples the video on 3G with O2 also. Play the same video twice. Start it once from a WiFi connection and again from 3G. You will see.

    Quote Originally Posted by madpoet View Post
    Jailbreak + pdanet or mywi and the program limitations disappear. Doesn't help the bandwidth issue, but it's progress. I tried a palm pre with verizon mobile hotspot. It sucked. Very very slow and I dropped connection to the phone all the time.
    I tether on AT&T natively without MyFi, PDAnet (which I am a registered owner of) or Blacksn0w on 5.11.07. It was a bit difficult to set up but only because all the info out there is out-dated. Of course, it isn't going to get the iPad online unless Apple allows it to use Bluetooth or USB tethering.
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    Does this mean that I wont be able to use my MLB.tv subscription on the Ipad using the 3g connection? If so, I may not purchase an Ipad. I really wanted to buy one because my wifi at work blocks mlb.tv and it's streaming video. I figured if I bought the 3g model that I would then be able to access the live streaming games using the 3g model. If I buy this and an error message comes up that says I must use a wifi connection, I'll be severly disappointed. 800 bucks disappointed.

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    Nexus one and other android devices runs clear youtube videos on AT&T. So blame it on apple. If your phone is jailbroken look into getting 3g unrestrictor. One of the first apps I got after jailbreak. iPhone videos on 3g is horrible.

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