[wePhone]

I'm pissed at how people say Cydia is so much better. Listen up, kids. THEY DO THE EXACT SAME ******* THING!

That is all.

[ajl917]

Originally Posted by dale1v

Ugh...Maybe because Nate didn't make Installer, and the point is that Installer gets replaced.... look at that "known issue" list when you start installer....tell me, has that list changed AT ALL in the past six months? Has anything been sorted? People have been contacting Nullriver for months; but still they haven't done anything with their closed-source app. In short, the developer of Cydia was tired of the slow, "main script execution failed!" crap (like most of us) and made his own.

And since when did they have compatibility issues; I've had Cydia since the end of January, and there's been nothing wrong!

Note: go to #iPhone on irc.saurik.com and count how many people are there; most are developers or packagers working on the better app. Open Source>Closed Source.

Well Im sure if Saurik would have contacted NateTrue instead of just being one of the many people asking HELP INSTALLER WONT DOWNLOAD!!!!!!!!, they definitely could have collaborated to make a great Installer. I just dont see the point of making another Installer with just more features when you could have just made the original app better...

[bhz1]

Sorry to say for Nullriver's sake, but cydia is awesome. Installer was the start of this type of app by now cydia is the new evolution so to speak. This app will be one of the best once all the kinks are worked out. One other good thing besides the app itself is the subsystem it installs and it does all the simlinking for you!

Interesting. I didn't realize that Cydia did the sym links. Wonder if thats why I had trouble when i installed it? I had already did the Boss tool thing when I did jailbreak. just a thought. One of these days I'm going to restore and re-jailbreak and try again on a fresh restore.

[dale1v]

Analogy @ wePhone: I have two cars. One runs smoothly, and gets me from A to B when I want. The other breaks down frequently, and doesn't get me from A to B anywhere near as quick (if it gets me there at all), and the car manufacturers don't help me fix it. What you're saying is both cars work as well as each other. Which doesn't make sense. Cydia is better for developers and end-users, and its Open source (I can define it for you if you like), so no they really not that alike.

That is all.

@ ajl917: I said before, Nate didn't make Installer; if he and Saurik collab'd you'd still get two apps, which contradicts your first statement.

[ajl917]

Originally Posted by dale1v

Analogy @ wePhone: I have two cars. One runs smoothly, and gets me from A to B when I want. The other breaks down frequently, and doesn't get me from A to B anywhere near as quick (if it gets me there at all), and the car manufacturers don't help me fix it. What you're saying is both cars work as well as each other. Which doesn't make sense. Cydia is better for developers and end-users, and its Open source (I can define it for you if you like), so no they really not that alike.

That is all.

@ ajl917: I said before, Nate didn't make Installer; if he and Saurik collab'd you'd still get two apps, which contradicts your first statement.

Well my bad, I though Nate made Installer, but if Saurik would have collab'd with WHOEVER MADE INSTALLER, then continue with my 1st statement...

[raptorjr]

Originally Posted by ajl917

Well my bad, I though Nate made Installer, but if Saurik would have collab'd with WHOEVER MADE INSTALLER, then continue with my 1st statement...

And since Installer is closed source, how easy would that be? He then had to get hired by Nullriver before he could make some changes.

If i think Windows sucks, what would be easier? Get hired by Microsoft so i could make the changes or use some open source Linux project and help them?

Or like this case, since there is no other open source installer he made the first one and if anyone would like to help they are free to do so.

Cydia could be great if it gets as good as Installer in the near future. If a new better version of Installer gets released soon Cydia could be having a hard time to be a replacement. But since Installer is now version 3.0 and still lacks some features i dont think a new version is coming soon. Or new features.

Originally Posted by wePhone

I'm pissed at how people say Cydia is so much better. Listen up, kids. THEY DO THE EXACT SAME ******* THING!

That is all.

It's not what they do, it's how they do it.

But then again i guess you are pissed on people saying that iPhone is so much better then lets say a Nokia N95. THEY DO THE EXACT SAME THING.
But i guess you know that it is not what the iPhone does that makes it great, it is how it does it.

[ajl917]

Originally Posted by raptorjr

And since Installer is closed source, how easy would that be? He then had to get hired by Nullriver before he could make some changes.

If i think Windows sucks, what would be easier? Get hired by Microsoft so i could make the changes or use some open source Linux project and help them?

Or like this case, since there is no other open source installer he made the first one and if anyone would like to help they are free to do so.

Cydia could be great if it gets as good as Installer in the near future. If a new better version of Installer gets released soon Cydia could be having a hard time to be a replacement. But since Installer is now version 3.0 and still lacks some features i dont think a new version is coming soon. Or new features.



It's not what they do, it's how they do it.

But then again i guess you are pissed on people saying that iPhone is so much better then lets say a Nokia N95. THEY DO THE EXACT SAME THING.
But i guess you know that it is not what the iPhone does that makes it great, it is how it does it.

Im sure if Saurik would have presented his ideas and his examples to the creators of Installer, they would have let him have the code and then they would work together to create a much better Installer.app BTW, for me, I would probably get hired by Microsoft before creating a whole new OS...

[dale1v]

aj917 you seem to continue missing the point that Nullriver don't respond to the outside world, and the fact that they're closed source makes it worse. A prime example is the Known issue list in Installer that hasn't been altered for months, and I'm sure people have been "presenting their ideas".
Oh and true, you wouldn't have to make a new OS to join MS, but you also wouldn't need to join them to tell them to fix a bug; unlike NullRiver, Microsoft release bugfixes and support frequently for their software.
Now as a result for the unaddressed issues,we now have the option to move away!

P.S. I'm testing some beta Cydia sources, and I've moved more than 75% of my apps on installer to Cydia. Seems that the need for two apps is starting to diminish, eh? (for me anyway)

[jkfox121]

Before anyone down talks Cydia, they should read the developers web site which has all the details on how it works, advantages, future plans, features, etc... http://www.saurik.com/id/1

First, applications run faster, you know what is actually happening during installation, all unix commands actually work (including the obvious passwd), amongst many other advantages of the the Cydia packager itself (not the subsystem).

If it has caused problems to anyones iPhone it's because they either upgraded to 1.1.4 instead of restore, or they restored their iTunes back up instead of creating a "new phone". If Cydia is correctly installed, it will work nothing but perfectly.

I have used it to install every single package I want that it has available. Once Ste and Bigboss's sources are available, I will probably hide my Installer icon.

[ajl917]

Originally Posted by dale1v

aj917 you seem to continue missing the point that Nullriver don't respond to the outside world, and the fact that they're closed source makes it worse. A prime example is the Known issue list in Installer that hasn't been altered for months, and I'm sure people have been "presenting their ideas".
Oh and true, you wouldn't have to make a new OS to join MS, but you also wouldn't need to join them to tell them to fix a bug; unlike NullRiver, Microsoft release bugfixes and support frequently for their software.
Now as a result for the unaddressed issues,we now have the option to move away!

P.S. I'm testing some beta Cydia sources, and I've moved more than 75% of my apps on installer to Cydia. Seems that the need for two apps is starting to diminish, eh? (for me anyway)

Idk about you, but if someone went to Nullriver with a plan to actually do something, not just about a bug, Im pretty sure they would respond...

[dale1v]

Well since September I've been waiting for the disk space notification, that was a plan we brought forward.

[playful_cyanide]

I have been using both. I love that Cydia is so much faster than Installer, and installer needs to get updated...seriously

[iChopPryde]

Cydia is truly awesome it has everything you want yes its not perfect yet but its far on its way to be and since its open source the possibilities are endless it will eventually take over nullriver I use it frequently and more and more sources are becoming available like bigboss ect

[desepticon]

i haven't been able to install any of the musical apps: pocketGuitar, Drummer, iAno. They install but the sounds don't play.

[Leron]

I think that Cydia and apt-get are the best way to built a definitive installer for the iphone, but are there some addictional repositories? I have searched some of them but I find only modmyi...

I hope that the app-developers made some repositories: the nullsoft installer is good but it haven't search and it's not Open... I use Debian and I think apt-get is the best way