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Originally Posted by ajl917 Well my bad, I though Nate made Installer, but if Saurik would have collab'd with WHOEVER MADE INSTALLER, then continue with my 1st statement... And since
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajl917 View Post
    Well my bad, I though Nate made Installer, but if Saurik would have collab'd with WHOEVER MADE INSTALLER, then continue with my 1st statement...
    And since Installer is closed source, how easy would that be? He then had to get hired by Nullriver before he could make some changes.

    If i think Windows sucks, what would be easier? Get hired by Microsoft so i could make the changes or use some open source Linux project and help them?

    Or like this case, since there is no other open source installer he made the first one and if anyone would like to help they are free to do so.

    Cydia could be great if it gets as good as Installer in the near future. If a new better version of Installer gets released soon Cydia could be having a hard time to be a replacement. But since Installer is now version 3.0 and still lacks some features i dont think a new version is coming soon. Or new features.

    Quote Originally Posted by wePhone View Post
    I'm pissed at how people say Cydia is so much better. Listen up, kids. THEY DO THE EXACT SAME ******* THING!

    That is all.
    It's not what they do, it's how they do it.

    But then again i guess you are pissed on people saying that iPhone is so much better then lets say a Nokia N95. THEY DO THE EXACT SAME THING.
    But i guess you know that it is not what the iPhone does that makes it great, it is how it does it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raptorjr View Post
    And since Installer is closed source, how easy would that be? He then had to get hired by Nullriver before he could make some changes.

    If i think Windows sucks, what would be easier? Get hired by Microsoft so i could make the changes or use some open source Linux project and help them?

    Or like this case, since there is no other open source installer he made the first one and if anyone would like to help they are free to do so.

    Cydia could be great if it gets as good as Installer in the near future. If a new better version of Installer gets released soon Cydia could be having a hard time to be a replacement. But since Installer is now version 3.0 and still lacks some features i dont think a new version is coming soon. Or new features.



    It's not what they do, it's how they do it.

    But then again i guess you are pissed on people saying that iPhone is so much better then lets say a Nokia N95. THEY DO THE EXACT SAME THING.
    But i guess you know that it is not what the iPhone does that makes it great, it is how it does it.
    Im sure if Saurik would have presented his ideas and his examples to the creators of Installer, they would have let him have the code and then they would work together to create a much better Installer.app BTW, for me, I would probably get hired by Microsoft before creating a whole new OS...

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    aj917 you seem to continue missing the point that Nullriver don't respond to the outside world, and the fact that they're closed source makes it worse. A prime example is the Known issue list in Installer that hasn't been altered for months, and I'm sure people have been "presenting their ideas".
    Oh and true, you wouldn't have to make a new OS to join MS, but you also wouldn't need to join them to tell them to fix a bug; unlike NullRiver, Microsoft release bugfixes and support frequently for their software.
    Now as a result for the unaddressed issues,we now have the option to move away!

    P.S. I'm testing some beta Cydia sources, and I've moved more than 75% of my apps on installer to Cydia. Seems that the need for two apps is starting to diminish, eh? (for me anyway)
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    Before anyone down talks Cydia, they should read the developers web site which has all the details on how it works, advantages, future plans, features, etc... http://www.saurik.com/id/1

    First, applications run faster, you know what is actually happening during installation, all unix commands actually work (including the obvious passwd), amongst many other advantages of the the Cydia packager itself (not the subsystem).

    If it has caused problems to anyones iPhone it's because they either upgraded to 1.1.4 instead of restore, or they restored their iTunes back up instead of creating a "new phone". If Cydia is correctly installed, it will work nothing but perfectly.

    I have used it to install every single package I want that it has available. Once Ste and Bigboss's sources are available, I will probably hide my Installer icon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dale1v View Post
    aj917 you seem to continue missing the point that Nullriver don't respond to the outside world, and the fact that they're closed source makes it worse. A prime example is the Known issue list in Installer that hasn't been altered for months, and I'm sure people have been "presenting their ideas".
    Oh and true, you wouldn't have to make a new OS to join MS, but you also wouldn't need to join them to tell them to fix a bug; unlike NullRiver, Microsoft release bugfixes and support frequently for their software.
    Now as a result for the unaddressed issues,we now have the option to move away!

    P.S. I'm testing some beta Cydia sources, and I've moved more than 75% of my apps on installer to Cydia. Seems that the need for two apps is starting to diminish, eh? (for me anyway)
    Idk about you, but if someone went to Nullriver with a plan to actually do something, not just about a bug, Im pretty sure they would respond...

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    I have been using both. I love that Cydia is so much faster than Installer, and installer needs to get updated...seriously
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    Cydia is truly awesome it has everything you want yes its not perfect yet but its far on its way to be and since its open source the possibilities are endless it will eventually take over nullriver I use it frequently and more and more sources are becoming available like bigboss ect

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    i haven't been able to install any of the musical apps: pocketGuitar, Drummer, iAno. They install but the sounds don't play.

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    I think that Cydia and apt-get are the best way to built a definitive installer for the iphone, but are there some addictional repositories? I have searched some of them but I find only modmyi...

    I hope that the app-developers made some repositories: the nullsoft installer is good but it haven't search and it's not Open... I use Debian and I think apt-get is the best way

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    I'm still partial to Installer, everyone and their mother has a repo for installer these days.

    Once you're caught up on apps, its just a matter of browsing the "Recent" folder for anything new.

    Also, I saw that it was mentioned Cydia can make symlinks for you, I'm not sure what that means, because with a simple call to the /bin directory you can execute terminal commands in Installer as well. Simply do a check first in your script for the BSD subsystem to avoid any main script errors, and alert your user with a Notice if its not installed.

    Honestly, Installer can have just as many padded walls as cydia, unfortunately most people don't script their repositories very well. Its pretty much "hey let me download this guy's script to see how it works so that I can make my own" which has lowered the quality.

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    The only thing Installer needs is alphabetic scrolling.

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    Using both right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bassir View Post
    The only thing Installer needs is alphabetic scrolling.
    Would be nice if they could add version control also. Very annoying when you get "updates" to older versions of what you have installed.

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    another thing installer needs is the search feature. Glad cydia has that

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    Quote Originally Posted by loujob View Post
    another thing installer needs is the search feature. Glad cydia has that
    installer just got the search function. check for an update and you'll see it.

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    yea it just came out the next day. lol good ****.

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    Well,personaly I use Nullriver,becaurse in Cydia,a lot of apps,from installer,and once,when I tried to install Cydia,it got my iPhone into recovery...

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    I upgrade my iphone from 1.1.2 to 1.1.4 and lost Installer and got Cydia, so far is not seem working right, every time try to install any package it return back to main screen without do any thing. please help!!! I want my Installer back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dvd65 View Post
    I upgrade my iphone from 1.1.2 to 1.1.4 and lost Installer and got Cydia, so far is not seem working right, every time try to install any package it return back to main screen without do any thing. please help!!! I want my Installer back.
    I think you need FakeBSD which can be found in Saurik's repo. Try putting Installer into your phone and get the FakeBSD, you will be enjoying Cydia after that.

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