Why do we not have a Untethered JB 4.2?

[DRFP]

This has been a heated topic in the news section but its hijacked the thread..........

Simply I have an Iphone 3gs and 3g

both are JB on 4.1 but the 3g cydia is messed up.

I would like to upgrade to 4.2 but do not want to until the promised JB for 4.2 untethered is out, where is it?

The other day I read where the Dev team may "Hold Back" the JB............

I protested the thread being locked because of these posts I wanted to respond to:

In my opinion the guy just likes attention that's why he starts threads like this. Kick off an argument and sit back and watch the fireworks. Hence he ain't had the bollocks to come back and defend his point. If you ask me everyone should just ignore him and not give him the satisfaction! Or just close the thread because it's a
Pointless argument...

I'm not a total Apple fan true, but I think I have a right to discuss things I disagree with, one does not have to agree with everything to be normal, its abnormal not to question and even get mad at times.

No argument, but a lot of misquotes and put downs that are directed to me and any other who posts a question like this.

What I think is pointless is when you want to squash a discussion.

No matter how many times I & others told him that his wife's 3G is untethered at 4.2.1 with either redsn0w or PwnageTool 4.1.3, he continues to (wrongly) claim that his wife has a new bootrom iPhone 3G. No amount of posting seems to get him to understand that there is no "new bootrom" for the iPhone 3G.

He also complains about the difficulty of the jailbreak. I'll say this here, the more exploits revealed to jailbreak, the harder it will be in the future to jailbreak. If going in to DFU mode is too difficult for you, it is time to leave the jailbreak scene. If downloading Tiny Umbrella to save your SHSH blobs is too difficult for you, then leave the jailbreak scene.

This is totally out of context, I did not say it was only my wife's 3g I said I wanted the untethered JB for 4.2 to be out.

I said I did not want to go through the custom IOS and everything, its takes hours and you can brick your Phone. I've read the posts of those who did.

I want it as easy as it has been for 4.1.

Whats amazing is the crap one can get for wanting to say this, wanting what has been promised and what has been provided before.

Wanting people to keep their words and promises,

All of a sudden I and others are wrong because we expect people to uphold a promise.

I think this thread should actually be closed I was involved in the other thread he was talking about and no matter how much people tried to help him, or explain what has benn said in this thread, he would always come back with its to hard make it easy or it was promised..... yadyyadyyah.

I think this is bad attitude, If I was to ask close everythread I disagree with then a significant proportion of threads would get closed.

Learn to live with others thoughts and opinions, its called free thought and free speech ( with in reason)

I simply wanted my own thread to address posts, some quite uncalled for, and stop the discussion where it did not belong.

I'm not convinced that the Dev team does this for free, no gain

I think its naive to think so and I'm not sure anyone can convince me otherwise.

Fame is a motivation, the right to say "I did that" in itself a motivation.

Money follows fame in some fashion

Vanilla Ice the rapper is now on TV renovating houses, you think HGTV would film this guy if his name would not draw an audience? Fame has something going for it always.


One last thought ( do not misquote me please) I have an Iphone for two reasons
Medical Apps
Jail broken

thats it, without JB I do not enjoy the phone, it would suck IMHO to let Apple win

Since the medical apps are growing on Android I'm keeping an Eye on the platform just as I did for Iphone

I have little time to devote to programing, medicine takes up a lot of my time.

Goodluck everyone

[Simon]

I have a question. If both your iPhones are on 4.1 and untethered right now what is the big issue with wanting to update to 4.2.1?

[i.Annie]

Honestly do you understand how many of these threads like yours exists? Did you once look at my responses or were you too focused on the other people who offended you? Not once did you realize I gave you a logical explanation, twice, because all you care about is your point. All about how you feel you have the right to speak your mind. There's a fine line between speaking your mind and criticizing the devs for not giving what you want. I said it once before and I'll say it again, the jailbreak isn't for you. It's for the community and it's up to you whether you wanna wait like the rest of us or not.

I'm still waiting for your response to either my posts here or my PM to you. You PM'd me first, you're not responding. Did you ever find out who locked your thread? Because if you did, Im pretty much entitled to be as smug as I can here because you didn't bother asking me nicely if I was involved.

[z3r01]

I protested the thread being locked because of these posts I wanted to respond to:


I'm not a total Apple fan true, but I think I have a right to discuss things I disagree with, one does not have to agree with everything to be normal, its abnormal not to question and even get mad at times.

No argument, but a lot of misquotes and put downs that are directed to me and any other who posts a question like this.

What I think is pointless is when you want to squash a discussion.



This is totally out of context, I did not say it was only my wife's 3g I said I wanted the untethered JB for 4.2 to be out.

I said I did not want to go through the custom IOS and everything, its takes hours and you can brick your Phone. I've read the posts of those who did.

I want it as easy as it has been for 4.1.

Whats amazing is the crap one can get for wanting to say this, wanting what has been promised and what has been provided before.

Wanting people to keep their words and promises,

All of a sudden I and others are wrong because we expect people to uphold a promise.




I think this is bad attitude, If I was to ask close everythread I disagree with then a significant proportion of threads would get closed.

Learn to live with others thoughts and opinions, its called free thought and free speech ( with in reason)

I simply wanted my own thread to address posts, some quite uncalled for, and stop the discussion where it did not belong.

I'm not convinced that the Dev team does this for free, no gain

I think its naive to think so and I'm not sure anyone can convince me otherwise.

Fame is a motivation, the right to say "I did that" in itself a motivation.

Money follows fame in some fashion

Vanilla Ice the rapper is now on TV renovating houses, you think HGTV would film this guy if his name would not draw an audience? Fame has something going for it always.


One last thought ( do not misquote me please) I have an Iphone for two reasons
Medical Apps
Jail broken

thats it, without JB I do not enjoy the phone, it would suck IMHO to let Apple win

Since the medical apps are growing on Android I'm keeping an Eye on the platform just as I did for Iphone

I have little time to devote to programing, medicine takes up a lot of my time.

Goodluck everyone

ok so understand this:

you expect and demand so much based on your opinions...fine..your entitled to your point of view and yours only. now this is where you kinda mess things up....you come and post here which automatically turns into a debate...its inevitable.....BUT you get offended by everyones SIMILAR facts....now..in the world of debates , opinions and such, if your bringing a point but cant back up a counter to your opinion....debate lost...u still have yet to answer any of our responses with something credible that will make us go to your side of the table...you lost your debate and your topic, (which is discussed too much here) and should just move on...the movement you was hoping on starting has failed...so dont catch a fit if we close the thread because you failed to search similar topics and posted a new one...which i and everyone else is tired of reading...

with that said, if i see that this thread is going nowhere (again) i will close it eventually and move on....

[DRFP]

I didn't fail to search for anything, too many people jump to conclusions. I do not like the tethered JB option, never have and never will.

I do not like spending the time building a custom or using a custom IOS

I do not like all the steps it may take in some cases

I like the untethered JB that we have with 4.1

It's not a failure in searching
Its not a failure in anything but that I want a less risky and less time consuming option

I also have not demanded anything and one of the things I take offense with.

I said that the Dev team has promised
I said I think they should care what people need and want and think in the community.

We keep posting about the JB community, is it just BS or are we a community? If so then people should count.

Demanding no, disappointed? Yes

Why shouldn't I be? Yeah close the thread if you must but people are misunderstanding me and its a shame. I did not start this thread to create a new debate but to finish one that was in news section where it did not belong. You saw that right?

Iphone will suck without decent JB options and if JB is over there goes cydia and all the customization.

[Simon]

Why do you keep mentioning custom firmware? Custom firmware is mainly for unlockers to preserve baseband. You do not need an unlock correct?

[DRFP]

I have a question. If both your iPhones are on 4.1 and untethered right now what is the big issue with wanting to update to 4.2.1?

App store Apps that need the 4.2 now, a few do and I want to use them but can't stuck on 4.1

But I see the point with 4.3 coming out then Apple will stop signing 4.2 probably?

never ending game with these guys I guess

Just tired of the game "Here's the JB but you can't have it" been seeing this since November.

[Simon]

App store Apps that need the 4.2 now, a few do and I want to use them but can't stuck on 4.1

But I see the point with 4.3 coming out then Apple will stop signing 4.2 probably?

never ending game with these guys I guess

Just tired of the game "Here's the JB but you can't have it" been seeing this since November.

Ok, that is a decent reason. But we have already established that your iPhone 3G can be updated to 4.2.1 and have a fully untethered jailbreak by using redsnow 0.9.6rc8.

As for your 3GS there will be a updated greenpoison very soon that will untether the 4.2.1 jailbreak for new bootrom devices.

[DRFP]

Why do you keep mentioning custom firmware? Custom firmware is mainly for unlockers to preserve baseband. You do not need an unlock correct?

It was brought up to me in a post as a solution for untethered 4.2, honestly I'm tired of the whole thing,

Its a phone not my life and this whole thing over the last 2 days is just too much over a phone. I just felt people were jumping to too many conclusions over nothing...... I have an opinion and its to the point where others are accusing me of stuff I never posted or feel.

time to focus on something else.

[Simon]

It was brought up to me in a post as a solution for untethered 4.2, honestly I'm tired of the whole thing,

Its a phone not my life and this whole thing over the last 2 days is just too much over a phone. I just felt people were jumping to too many conclusions over nothing...... I have an opinion and its to the point where I'm doing all this stuff I'm not.

time to focus on something else.

Well whoever told that to you is very wrong. The custom firmwares that can be made for 4.2.1 right now are still tethered jailbreaks for new bootrom devices. So you shouldn't even be worrying with them.

[Madman604x]

well here's the facts. we are not owed anything from the Devs, that JB and unlock our phones.

they do what they do for free and we all eagerly await the fruits of their labours.

if they say they will release on on XXXX day and don't for whatever reason, its up to them. If the Dev doesn't wanna release cuz he had a bad day, its boo hoo for us. nothing we can do nor expect compensation.

when a JB is held back, there's usually a pretty darn good reason. Just because 100,000 people just bought a new iPhone and are impatiently waiting for a JB, doesn't give them any right to complain.

it will be out, when its out. deal with it and wait quietly like everyone else.

[i.Annie]

Quite frankly I don't think you should own an iPhone if you think it isn't a great phone without a jailbreak. When I got my 4 on 4.0.2, I didn't have a jailbreak for almost a month. I was still happy with my phone.

So here's my conclusion, why can't you upgrade to 4.2.1 and use those apps that require it? I'm assuming you are talking about the app store apps bc I haven't run into many Cydia apps (if any) that REQUIRE 4.2.1 but rather only require iOS 4 as a whole. So why do you need a jb immediately if you're just looking to run apps on 4.2.1 that require it? Are you in need of a jailbreak for a particular reason? What's wrong with a tethered jailbreak then if it's an absolute necessity?

If you can't appreciate the phone without a jailbreak, you don't need the phone.

Also, as far as I can see the majority of the jb community is patient. There's a small handful that gripe about the wait. So no, you are not the community. We are all part of this community. Most of us disagree with you, we are the community and the devs are considerate of the community AS A WHOLE. You don't make up the whole community, and the rest of the small handful of people who are griping like you also don't make up this community as a whole. If you don't understand that aspect, then your opinion is not worth as much as you think it is.

[Tario70]

It was brought up to me in a post as a solution for untethered 4.2, honestly I'm tired of the whole thing,

Its a phone not my life and this whole thing over the last 2 days is just too much over a phone. I just felt people were jumping to too many conclusions over nothing...... I have an opinion and its to the point where others are accusing me of stuff I never posted or feel.

time to focus on something else.

Now who is taking things out of context!?! HA!

You made complaints specifically about your wife's 3G constantly rebooting. I offered a custom firmware. Custom firmware isn't more "risky" nor is it so many more "steps." Custom firmware is mainly used by unlockers, but I do not unlock & I prefer to use it. It can be used by all & I like it because it helps to push me to re-setup the iPhone with each update. Yes it is a bit of work to re-setup the phone, but it is worth it for the reduced number of crashes & unexplainable problems.

The custom firmware I offered was for your wife's 3G that would be untethered. It was an offer, that is all. I never offered for your 3Gs since I know it is a new bootrom version.

Screw that, it wasn't out of context, you just don't understand a word of English that I am typing. Point is I made an offer & you didn't even decline, you crapped on it.

Greenpois0n is out & quite frankly I hope it craps on both of your phones at this point. I'm done.

~Tario70

Edit: Here's the guide from redmond pie: http://www.redmondpie.com/jailbreak-...-how-to-guide/