[driffty]

no your not.it stinks.
MEDIA MONKEY all the way

[one1]

Originally Posted by driffty

no your not.it stinks.
MEDIA MONKEY all the way

AH HA! I've been telling everyone all along a monkey could do this.

[dr.stevil]

Originally Posted by Faxmonkey

I love my iPhone, don't get me wrong -- but I just absolutely cannot stand iTunes. It's feature-poor, heavily-bloated, and has a bad UI. Every feature seems calculated specifically to help Apple find a way to get their hands in your pocket.

Plenty of other players can download Album art, get Podcasts, or use "smart" playlists. Why is Apple the only one who requires you to have a credit card on file with them in order to do so? Does that seem a bit ridiculous to anyone else? Is it really necessary that Apple know who I am before sending me some Abulm Art or making a playlist for me?

And what about video conversion? It's bad enough that ipods/iphones are one of the few players on the market that don't support hard-drive mode and MUST be synced via iTunes, but how does Apple justify not support conversions between some of the most standardized formats in the industry? Great, it'll convert one resolution of quicktime into another. Now why can't it convert my DivX? Every other media player on the market comes with software that will convert DivX into whatever format that player supports. Apple is the only exception (actually, most players these days will just play DivX with no transcoding necessary).

Am I the only one that suspects that Apple intentionally denies this core functionality in a crass attempt to get you to simply buy iTunes store versions of your music/videos in order to avoid the hassle of buying/using a third party conversion software?

I could rant for days, but suffice to say that iTunes just really burns my butter. I don't know what I'd do without my iPhone but I just can't imagine how iTunes could have been made by the same company -- or even how it could have been made on the same planet.

Am I the only one? Really?

I'm with you 100%. I cannot stand itunes... if not for my phone, it wouldn't even be on my computer.

For osx it's great, but windows not so much.

[_ducky]

Originally Posted by one1

Windows users have no idea how awesome iTunes is on a MAC. Let me paint the scene for you.......

You own an APPLE iPhone. You connect it to your APPLE computer. Your APPLE iTunes comes up and pulls your photos out of APPLE iPhoto and syncs what you want over to your APPLE phone. Then it grabs your tasks, schedules, address book, phone numbers, contacts, alarms, todo's, and a plethora of other information from APPLE iCal. Then it checks back with your APPLE Safari browser and syncs your bookmarks to match your computer.

So in short...... the problem, is you. Trying to run an Apple program on a windows machine is like trying to stick a Ford transmission in a Chevy.

You don't really have a choice if you have a windows machine, but the title of this thread should be "Am I the only WINDOWS user that hates iTunes".

So what you're saying is, unless we become "APPLE" fabulous fanboy zombies, we dare not complain about an Apple product or application? Very convenient.

It's not "an Apple program running on a Windows machine" at all. If it's running on Windows, it's a Windows program. A pathetic excuse for one, in this case, perhaps, but still.

It doesn't matter what platform it's running on. They've written a crappy app. Not everyone enjoys living and breathing Apple, and for those people, there should be alternatives.

Oh, and by the way, do you realize how much you restrict yourself? You live your entire computing life by Apple, and that's exactly the way they want it. They love your complete dependence upon them for everything. Of course things work fine when one company has designed your entire computing experience. But oh, wait, what if you want to customize and get a different application on a Mac? Oh, that's right, you can go screw yourself, because you're stuck with what you've got. Apple's trying this same strategy on Windows. It won't work.

[howlett15]

im sure this would be totally illegal but i wish something like lime wire could make an add on with the ability to sync to a wide variety of phones and mp3 players that way you could download the music and then sync it from there instead of having to import...but im prolly just dreaming...

[reeko]

lol, windowz fan boyz in the house. please, please, please dont hate on apple or apple users.

i use apple, a mac mini desktop and an advent 4211 with os x on it. a grand total of about 700£ on hardware and my mac mini runs better for me than my home 600£ desktop and my little macbook runs like a dream.

my friend also has the advent 4211, with xp on it.

we tried connecting both laptops to a 38" hd tv, and guess what, in os x it just recognised it straight away and worked, giving a range of outputs to flick through. in xp, had to fiddle with settings intel video driver and stuff, took ages and still couldnt get the output as good quality as os x.

os x just works.

if you say we are restricted, everything i did on windows i have managed to find an alternative for in os x. even if i couldnt, i could just bootcamp windows onto it if i had to. could you do this on your pc so that itunes ran properly?

i thought the same and had the same points as you fanboys, it wasnt until i actually used a mac, and owned a mac that i realised the truth. im sure you will see the light someday. you can always come back and edit your post afterwards.

and surely by buying and owning an iphone you are declaring that apple pwns windows? even if its only at a mobile level, you agree that apple pwn windows?

oh yeah, just a last note, how much is your ANTI-VIRUS software annually?

[461am]

^calling other people fanboys.. Haha.

[reeko]

Originally Posted by 461am

^calling other people fanboys.. Haha.

sorry, just re-read it. haha, im a converted apple fanboy i guess

[one1]

Originally Posted by _ducky

So what you're saying is, unless we become "APPLE" fabulous fanboy zombies, we dare not complain about an Apple product or application? Very convenient.

It's not "an Apple program running on a Windows machine" at all. If it's running on Windows, it's a Windows program. A pathetic excuse for one, in this case, perhaps, but still.

It doesn't matter what platform it's running on. They've written a crappy app. Not everyone enjoys living and breathing Apple, and for those people, there should be alternatives.

Oh, and by the way, do you realize how much you restrict yourself? You live your entire computing life by Apple, and that's exactly the way they want it. They love your complete dependence upon them for everything. Of course things work fine when one company has designed your entire computing experience. But oh, wait, what if you want to customize and get a different application on a Mac? Oh, that's right, you can go screw yourself, because you're stuck with what you've got. Apple's trying this same strategy on Windows. It won't work.

FAIL


.......me=
WIN

[dr.stevil]

Originally Posted by reeko

lol, windowz fan boyz in the house. please, please, please dont hate on apple or apple users.

i use apple, a mac mini desktop and an advent 4211 with os x on it. a grand total of about 700£ on hardware and my mac mini runs better for me than my home 600£ desktop and my little macbook runs like a dream.

my friend also has the advent 4211, with xp on it.

we tried connecting both laptops to a 38" hd tv, and guess what, in os x it just recognised it straight away and worked, giving a range of outputs to flick through. in xp, had to fiddle with settings intel video driver and stuff, took ages and still couldnt get the output as good quality as os x.

os x just works.

if you say we are restricted, everything i did on windows i have managed to find an alternative for in os x. even if i couldnt, i could just bootcamp windows onto it if i had to. could you do this on your pc so that itunes ran properly?

i thought the same and had the same points as you fanboys, it wasnt until i actually used a mac, and owned a mac that i realised the truth. im sure you will see the light someday. you can always come back and edit your post afterwards.

and surely by buying and owning an iphone you are declaring that apple pwns windows? even if its only at a mobile level, you agree that apple pwn windows?

oh yeah, just a last note, how much is your ANTI-VIRUS software annually?

eh, it's all personal preference. I dual boot os and vista on my pc, so I do use both. In all honesty though, I only really use osx for email and music (or pretty much anything phone related) but other than that, I don't find it all that useful/interesting. It's a great OS, don't get me wrong, but it's almost too simple.

Maybe it's all the years of tinkering with PC hardware/software that turns me off the most. It's the same with cars, stock is boring... I'd rather wrench on it if for nothing more than the enjoyment of doing so.

to each their own

[_ducky]

Originally Posted by one1

FAIL


http://www.lextech.org/images/stuff/...enSnapz001.avi

WIN

So your counterargument to my post is that you can switch windows and zoom on OS X. Err... yeah, I've toootally been crushed.

Originally Posted by reeko

if you say we are restricted, everything i did on windows i have managed to find an alternative for in os x. even if i couldnt, i could just bootcamp windows onto it if i had to. could you do this on your pc so that itunes ran properly?
Yes, it's called VMware, and there are alternatives to it too. Except my whole point is that iTunes isn't a decent app. So why would I go out of my way to run it? Great job at reading my posts. Besides, when we don't like an app on Windows, we don't go emulating other OS's just to get it to work. We look for alternatives. You should try it sometime. Break out of your Apple box.

i thought the same and had the same points as you fanboys, it wasnt until i actually used a mac, and owned a mac that i realised the truth. im sure you will see the light someday. you can always come back and edit your post afterwards.

and surely by buying and owning an iphone you are declaring that apple pwns windows? even if its only at a mobile level, you agree that apple pwn windows?
Not even a little bit. Just because I own an iPhone doesn't mean I think it's better than Windows at all. Plus, iPhone OS has nothing at all to do with Windows. So I'm not sure what track you're on.
oh yeah, just a last note, how much is your ANTI-VIRUS software annually?
$0.00. Viruses don't just "show up" on your PC. If you know how to use a computer, you won't get spyware or viruses.

And by the way, I'm not sure that "Yeah nobody cares about Mac so nobody makes viruses for us" is the best antivirus strategy I've ever heard.

Considering your post, reeko, I don't think you have the right to accuse anyone of being a fanboy. <_<

Neither of your arguments are of substance.

[Imahottguy]

IMO, iTunes + Windows sucks. I use it, but I like having more advanced control over my music. I go all the way down to how the file is named/case. If I could afford a mac then sure, I'd buy one. It's too easy to put a cracked XP on it to dual boot. But seriously, it seems that Apple intentionally makes iTunes run slow on Windows... It takes a minimum of 15 seconds to go from 'Music' to 'Movies' on my machine. And no, I really don't have that much media on my laptop.

BTW for Windows users: MediaMonkey now supports syncing with iPhone 3G. It's audio only, but man it is fast! :-). If only MM did video, I'd soooo be done with iTunes.

Do I hate iTunes? Not really, it works decently and syncs my iPhone well. Do I like iTunes? No.

[DebbieFlincher]

Yeah, iTunes sucks one bit!

If you are looking for a fast easy-to-use alternative to iTunes, check this blog out:

http:​/​/ipodmanagers​.blogspot​.com​/

[reeko]

no substance? mac requires no antivirus software. with a pc, you switch it on and connect to the internet with no anti virus and your open to attack. fullstop. dont pussy foot around that single fact. and AVG is far from full proof, i know personally of 3 people that have obtained worms whilst running AVG. so anti-virus software is a pc users TAX in my eyes.

ive only been using my mac for under a year, i have been using windows for the last 19 years of my life before that, so dont make personal assumptions. the fact that i said i was an apple CONVERT should have been enough for that?

hell, ive uninstalled xp of my laptop for os x and uninstalled vista from the home desktop for os x. its just my preference.

fact is, windows is no more superior than os x and vice versa. i have a preference and opinion, and mine is that os x is better, much better. if you dont like that, go cry into bill gates arms or whoever the new bum bandit at microsoft is.

the alternative apps in os x are not emulated? i dont understand your point here? vmware is an emulation and doesnt utilize the hardware properly. its for poor people that cant afford an over-priced mac but appreciate how much better an os os x is compared to windows.

also, windows mobile 6.5 is designed by the people at, you guessed it, windows. and guess where os x mobile is designed..... you got it! so in my eyes, when you use os x mobile on the iphone, you get to appreciate everything that apple do as they have taken everything from the desktop os into mobile possible, to give it the same feel, much the same as windows has. so by preferring an iphone with os x on it as opposed to a windows based mobile, you are clearly declaring that at least at a mobile level you prefer apple and os x. there is no argument here.

your argument has no substance whatsoever, and this whole thing is going no where. you have probably never used os x before, properly, day to day, and until then you will never be able to understand how good itunes is on apple os x.

[one1]

Reeko, you're arguing with a windows flag waiving, been on the site 13 days having pube. Let's go get a drink and enjoy the rest of the site. He'll wander away soon enough, not enough like him around here for company.