[reeko]

Ok, your running Vista.

As a windows user itunes sucks, without turning this into a mac vs pc debate itunes is 500% better on a mac.

I am more than happy to let my mac organise my music, movies, apps, contacts, calendars etc. etc. its the way macs work! they 'just work'

Front row is only ever a click of my remote away for all my movies + music etc etc.

And i havent got my lead here with me, but if you connect your iphone then drag and drop songs onto it in itunes do they not get put onto the phone? i personally create an iphone playlist for my music but thought drag and drop was possible.... going to try it now

[Faxmonkey]

They'll be added to your itunes library, and flagged automatically to be put on your iphone -- but they won't actually be added until the next time you sync your phone. The nice thing about a true-hard drive mode, without having to go through iTunes for everything is that you can also work things both ways. You can take files OFF of your iPhone and put them back on your hard drive if, for some reason, they are lost. But really that's more of a gripe I have with the iPhone itself rather than iTunes. I do have a few gripes with the phone, but it's still the best phone I've ever owned.

[heath_rox]

itunes is far superior than any other media player call me a fanboy but this a APPLE iphone forum. dont like it GTFO

[DSMKilla]

Man I remember when the old iTunes used to make you convert all your audio to M4A files just to put music on your ipod lol that was a joke. I don't use iTunes for ANYTHING other than syncing files to my iPhone. That's about all it's good for. What do you expect though, iTunes is Apple and Apple sucks plain and simple. The iPhone would suck if it wasn't for all the hacks and cracks out there for it. People can be PC haters all they want but when it comes down to it PC OWNS! Just try going into the store and finding accessories for your "MAC/APPLE" Computer, IF your lucky there MIGHT be a little itty bitty section of apple stuff in the corner of the store somewhere. But more than likely they probably won't have anything. Now walk into the store and try to NOT find something for a PC! LOL Not gonna happen

It's cool though apple users could argue, "well we can just go to the apple store" lol heck yeah since there's an apple store on every corner right lol. I live in a pretty big city and there is only ONE apple store in the entire state. Now that's what I call "CONVENIENCE"

[abspatel]

Originally Posted by heath_rox

itunes is far superior than any other media player call me a fanboy but this a APPLE iphone forum. dont like it GTFO

What? A thousand lulz at you calling iTunes a far superior media player. For music, yea, maybe...cough, cough, winamp, cough. To organize your music, with out a doubt THE BEST.

But overall, HELL NO. It takes about 20 seconds to fully load on my laptop, Windows Media Player 5 seconds, and VLC pretty much instant. Also why do I need 5 separate services running int he background to make iTunes run 'smoothly'?

And how about the fact that about 75% of it's Windows based users can't play video on it because it turns their PC into timebomb, using up every scrap of resource to play a quicktime file making your PC want to grow arms so it can punch you in the face repeatedly whilst begging you to KILL ITUNES before it blows up. But the same movie plays just fine using the Quicktime player.

K-Lite codec pack + WMP > iTunes when it comes to being a true Media Player.

You may have indicated that this is an APPLE forum, but it's also an iPhone forum, and I'll bet you that the majority of iPhone users have PC's.

[heath_rox]

Originally Posted by abspatel

What? A thousand lulz at you calling iTunes a far superior media player. For music, yea, maybe...cough, cough, winamp, cough. To organize your music, with out a doubt THE BEST.

But overall, HELL NO. It takes about 20 seconds to fully load on my laptop, Windows Media Player 5 seconds, and VLC pretty much instant. Also why do I need 5 separate services running int he background to make iTunes run 'smoothly'?

And how about the fact that about 75% of it's Windows based users can't play video on it because it turns their PC into timebomb, using up every scrap of resource to play a quicktime file making your PC want to grow arms so it can punch you in the face repeatedly whilst begging you to KILL ITUNES before it blows up. But the same movie plays just fine using the Quicktime player.

K-Lite codec pack + WMP > iTunes when it comes to being a true Media Player.

You may have indicated that this is an APPLE forum, but it's also an iPhone forum, and I'll bet you that the majority of iPhone users have PC's.

i honestly have had not one problem with it on my mac or my pc

[_ducky]

Originally Posted by Eurisko

It always amuses me that Windows users expect every other company out there to conform to Windows standards. Ah Bill, what a substandard world you've created, and even convincing your users to have substandard expectations.

Through iTunes I have been downloading Album Artwork, getting Podcasts and using smart playlists for years, and I've never been asked for my credit card number. Not sure what world you're living in. And movies... feed your Divx movies into iTunes, right-click on them and select "Convert Selection for iPhone". Simple as that.

You should really investigate what features a program has before flaming it.

As a Mac user, you've probably just taken what's given to you. It's what Apple is all about. On Windows, we have variety.

I'm not trying to flame you, but it's just irritating when Mac people lick Apple's feet at the mention of any problem relating to their products. Apple is not a perfect company. As a matter of fact, it seems to be managed with a general air of bloated ego. They rarely listen to customers.

If Apple stuff is supposed to "just work", then ask me why I have to SIT AND WAIT to SWITCH TABS on iTunes. Even better, can you explain why, even though I repeatedly tell QuickTime to leave my computer alone, it takes over the playback of every media file on my computer and browser?

Even if iTunes WERE a properly developed application, any decent company would allow a user his or her own choice in what app is used to work with the device on a computer. But of course not. Because we're Apple, and our users are far too stupid to make their own choices. Let's just lock everything down to hell, and force whatever we give them down their throats.

And for your information, unless a song's metadata exactly matches the iTunes offering, it won't let you pull album data. So it's basically saying "Either buy another DRM-shitted-down copy from our store or spend a few days renaming your entire library to match ours. Then you get your album art."

Don't always rush to Apple's defense. It makes plenty of mistakes, and the fact that you and so many others are always blind to their errors just makes them more comfortable about creating substandard products.

[/rant]

To the OP, yes, you're absolutely right, iTunes is bloated, has nothing going for it that makes it stand out, and a lot of the stuff on it is meant to not-so-subtly push you towards buying something. I wish Winamp could sync iPhones, I would uninstall iTunes right now if it could.

I really don't know why Apple doesn't get sued for anti-competitive tactics. EVERYTHING on the iPhone has to be done through iTunes. It'd be fine if iTunes was a passable app, but it really isn't.

[461am]

Simple drag and drop, that's all I want. I hate this playlist nonsense. I'm not saying eliminate iTunes as a conduit trough which you put stuff into your iPhone, I'm just asking for an alternative.

[DSMKilla]

Originally Posted by _ducky

As a Mac user, you've probably just taken what's given to you. It's what Apple is all about. On Windows, we have variety.

I'm not trying to flame you, but it's just irritating when Mac people lick Apple's feet at the mention of any problem relating to their products. Apple is not a perfect company. As a matter of fact, it seems to be managed with a general air of bloated ego. They rarely listen to customers.

If Apple stuff is supposed to "just work", then ask me why I have to SIT AND WAIT to SWITCH TABS on iTunes. Even better, can you explain why, even though I repeatedly tell QuickTime to leave my computer alone, it takes over the playback of every media file on my computer and browser?

Even if iTunes WERE a properly developed application, any decent company would allow a user his or her own choice in what app is used to work with the device on a computer. But of course not. Because we're Apple, and our users are far too stupid to make their own choices. Let's just lock everything down to hell, and force whatever we give them down their throats.

And for your information, unless a song's metadata exactly matches the iTunes offering, it won't let you pull album data. So it's basically saying "Either buy another DRM-shitted-down copy from our store or spend a few days renaming your entire library to match ours. Then you get your album art."

Don't always rush to Apple's defense. It makes plenty of mistakes, and the fact that you and so many others are always blind to their errors just makes them more comfortable about creating substandard products.

[/rant]

To the OP, yes, you're absolutely right, iTunes is bloated, has nothing going for it that makes it stand out, and a lot of the stuff on it is meant to not-so-subtly push you towards buying something. I wish Winamp could sync iPhones, I would uninstall iTunes right now if it could.

I really don't know why Apple doesn't get sued for anti-competitive tactics. EVERYTHING on the iPhone has to be done through iTunes. It'd be fine if iTunes was a passable app, but it really isn't.

[mrsidewayzz]

I have no issue with iTunes or apple products, just find you a video converter and don't buy iTunes stuff. LOL.

[redcard]

Originally Posted by 461am

Simple drag and drop, that's all I want. I hate this playlist nonsense. I'm not saying eliminate iTunes as a conduit trough which you put stuff into your iPhone, I'm just asking for an alternative.

You'd rather have drag and drop as opposed to just clicking a few times and having your top 2000 songs on there?

[one1]

Windows users have no idea how awesome iTunes is on a MAC. Let me paint the scene for you.......

You own an APPLE iPhone. You connect it to your APPLE computer. Your APPLE iTunes comes up and pulls your photos out of APPLE iPhoto and syncs what you want over to your APPLE phone. Then it grabs your tasks, schedules, address book, phone numbers, contacts, alarms, todo's, and a plethora of other information from APPLE iCal. Then it checks back with your APPLE Safari browser and syncs your bookmarks to match your computer.

So in short...... the problem, is you. Trying to run an Apple program on a windows machine is like trying to stick a Ford transmission in a Chevy.

You don't really have a choice if you have a windows machine, but the title of this thread should be "Am I the only WINDOWS user that hates iTunes".

[461am]

Originally Posted by redcard

You'd rather have drag and drop as opposed to just clicking a few times and having your top 2000 songs on there?

I don't have 2000 songs on my phone therefore, yes, I would rather drag my songs in. (Don't try to interpret this as me speaking for everyone, this is just my opinion.)

[one1]

I used drag and drop until I got a 16gb....... things change then. You just let it make you a playlist at that point. Pulling from 250gb of music and making a playlist for 14gb of transfer in little songs.... yeah autosync works at that point.

When I had an 8gb, No problem. After you put the apps on, It only holds like 12 songs

PS- for the record if I had a windows machine personally I'd likely buy a blackberry or G1 and just give up. I feel your pain.

On a Mac though..... OOOOHHH it's nice.

[ajl917]

iTunes isnt my favorite program to use, but as long as I can buy/import songs, and keep my iPhone synced up nicely, Im good to go. No real complaints here from a Windows user...