BLUETOOTH: I think it's time for action...

[MattMac]

Ok. Found something interesting.
Just looking around my phone, I found 3 files within the \dev folder...

1. cu.bluetooth
2. tty.bluetooth
3. uart.bluetooth

Can someone please explain these files, or do I have something here...?
There is also the same files but with the extension .baseband

[nakago5000]

This is the v710 all over again.

[MattMac]

This is the v710 all over again.

Errrrm, what?

[dazed87]

I found those files by checking another bluetooth file in a different folder, basically the cu.bluetooth file turns on bluetooth, these files can't be accessed so I don't know if one of these files is responsible for telling bluetooth what profiles to load.

[cscho0415]

ok i have a plan... first i will say this will probably only work for receiving not sending... now the plan...

on a mac book there are bluetooth profiles... it is a very similar operating system... if we find the mac book ones, put them in the dev folder we should have lift off... this may work for other phones so thats worth a shot too... im gonna do some other research and see what i find i will tell u about that in a litttle while...

[nakago5000]

Errrrm, what?

The v710 is a phone by Motorola released a few years ago on the Verizon network. It was pumped up to be one of the first phones supporting Bluetooth. They failed to mention that it was only the Bluetooth headset protocol on the phone. There was a class action against Verizon that resulted in everyone with a v710 purchased between x and y dates received $25 or something along those lines in "compensation". At that point in time the argument was along the lines of "If you have the 'Certified Bluetooth' logo, you should support any and all profiles." Obviously the Bluetooth organization decided against that, so now there's no real "standard" Bluetooth, it's just whatever the manufacturer of the product wishes to include. Had the v710 users won a larger chuck of ground in the argument we would likely have all profiles on the iPhone now.

[cscho0415]

alright i hit something... uart - Universal Asynchronous Receiver and Transmitter... as in uart.bluetooth

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There are no real files in /dev!

Whichever "some files" you need, you need to ask for very specific help. Each /dev "file" represents a different piece of hardware, and each piece of hardware needs to be talked to differently.

If you say you want files "from there", that means you want to access the hardware with the help of any driver.

[dragnandy]

bluetooth speakers would be awesome!! i hope somebody figures this out soon!

[cscho0415]

please avoid comments like that i would like this to be for help developeing

[ajrulez]

ok i have a plan... first i will say this will probably only work for receiving not sending... now the plan...

on a mac book there are bluetooth profiles... it is a very similar operating system... if we find the mac book ones, put them in the dev folder we should have lift off... this may work for other phones so thats worth a shot too... im gonna do some other research and see what i find i will tell u about that in a litttle while...

I think this might as well be the first step towards a fully functional Bluetooth. Can someone with a Mac try it? Or can someone tell me where I can find Bluetooth profiles on a Mac?

[MattMac]

I found those files by checking another bluetooth file in a different folder, basically the cu.bluetooth file turns on bluetooth, these files can't be accessed so I don't know if one of these files is responsible for telling bluetooth what profiles to load.

alright i hit something... uart - Universal Asynchronous Receiver and Transmitter... as in uart.bluetooth

Great job guys. If we can find out what the last one does, we might have a better understanding of bluetooth.

ok i have a plan... first i will say this will probably only work for receiving not sending... now the plan...

on a mac book there are bluetooth profiles... it is a very similar operating system... if we find the mac book ones, put them in the dev folder we should have lift off... this may work for other phones so thats worth a shot too... im gonna do some other research and see what i find i will tell u about that in a litttle while...

Yeah, I think we've established this... Problem is I don't know where to find the profiles on my mac and I think it might take a little more than just putting them into the \dev folder. Im sure my laptop would have a different bluetooth device to the iPhone... I thinking that to get the profiles to work there would have to be an element of re-programming to work with the iPhone's particular bluetooth device...

But you having a great input, this is what I like to see, people helping us out. =] Keep up the good work we might be on to something soon!

I think this might as well be the first step towards a fully functional Bluetooth. Can someone with a Mac try it? Or can someone tell me where I can find Bluetooth profiles on a Mac?

Read what I wrote above =]

The v710 is a phone by Motorola released a few years ago on the Verizon network. It was pumped up to be one of the first phones supporting Bluetooth. They failed to mention that it was only the Bluetooth headset protocol on the phone. There was a class action against Verizon that resulted in everyone with a v710 purchased between x and y dates received $25 or something along those lines in "compensation". At that point in time the argument was along the lines of "If you have the 'Certified Bluetooth' logo, you should support any and all profiles." Obviously the Bluetooth organization decided against that, so now there's no real "standard" Bluetooth, it's just whatever the manufacturer of the product wishes to include. Had the v710 users won a larger chuck of ground in the argument we would likely have all profiles on the iPhone now.

Oh ok. Lol, makes more sense now. It would be great but we can sue Apple because they never promised it. We can fight it though...
But for now we are attempting to do it our selves. Until apple help us out of course. xD


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OK
I did some trials. You CAN'T put files into the \dev folder...
But i tried something else... I opened pwnage and made a custom ISPW for 1.1.4. When I got to the point where it mounts the disk image and asks for the pass, I just go into the image and I can copy files into the \dev directory. I didn't want to restore the image to my phone incase an error occurred and I didn't wanna risk my phone... By the sounds of things, this \dev folder is what runs the hardware of the iPhone and playing with it could potentially be...messy.

Hmmm, where are those darn Mac OS X Bluetooth profiles....

EDIT: Erm, found this http://developer.apple.com/documenta...section_3.html
And this http://developer.apple.com/documenta...H215-TPXREF108
Anything interesting?

And a few more folders I have found on the iPhone that could relate to some of the folder/files that were stated in the above documentation...

/System/Library/Frameworks/BluetoothManager.framework
/System/Library/Frameworks/MobileBluetooth.framework

People understanding where I'm coming from?
If not I'll explain some more...

Come on people! Please help. Can't do this myself...

More development...

I opened the UNIX files in the folders I stated I found on the iPhone and the ones stated in the documentation found on my Mac. There are similarities between all 4 files. Have a look for yourselves. I didn't make much sense of them, just looked like jiberish to me, but there was some English words in the mix and they said some of the same things, and referring to different frameworks. Please have a look. And I would love to hear from someone who knows how do read these UNIX Executables.

More development...

I opened the UNIX files in the folders I stated I found on the iPhone and the ones stated in the documentation found on my Mac. There are similarities between all 4 files. Have a look for yourselves. I didn't make much sense of them, just looked like jiberish to me, but there was some English words in the mix and they said some of the same things, and referring to different frameworks. Please have a look. And I would love to hear from someone who knows how do read these UNIX Executables.

[cscho0415]

ok on the mac type this in "defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles -bool true"
then hit enter then type "killall Finder" hit enter with out the quotes and it will show u all the hidden files and content on the mac... they might be there... to hide hidden files replace the true at the end with false hit enter then again type "killall Finder'" and hit enter

[MattMac]

ok on the mac type this in "defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles -bool true"
then hit enter then type "killall Finder" hit enter with out the quotes and it will show u all the hidden files and content on the mac... they might be there... to hide hidden files replace the true at the end with false hit enter then again type "killall Finder'" and hit enter

Yeah I know how to do that. Did you read through the links I posted? I think it has something to do with the files it states in them.

[MattMac]

Any suggestions people?

[Uko]

bump

[cscho0415]

bump???

[MattMac]

Hmmm, we need more people too look into this more deeply. Jump on bored Devs, I'm willing to help out the best I can!

[Apple iPie]

I dont care about Bluetooth,I dont need it,before iPhone I used one of the worst mobile phones,without bluetooth ,I dont care about that.

@MattMac,If you REALLY want it,then try PMing developers....

[cscho0415]

you know any that we can pm

[MattMac]

Any suggestions on some devs interested?