[Qdawg]

As everyone has already stated, SwirlyMMS has proven that the 2g hardware is capable of sending MMS messages. I am very interested to hear if there is a way to configure the 2g iphone to use the built-in apple MMS code, or if there is a code change on an jailbroken device that could open up this functionality.

h.abdulhamid86 - Any news on the full system folder copy?

[tekwiz]

No way is it a hardware issue. Phones older than this have doe MMS. The link doesn't work but I was reading someone else saying the old iphones can't do the new MMS spec fully with thier hardware. Ok but anything else would just drop back to the older MMS spec and still work. If swirly can get it to work inside his app, we should be able to get it outside.

[flounderasu]

Originally Posted by orlandson

Looks like a hardware issue:

The Truth Behind MMS on the Original iPhone

http://www.maclife.com/articl/news/t...riginal_iphone

Did you READ the article?

Here's an exerpt:
"We decided to get to the root of the problem by calling up the makers of the chip--Infineon. We contacted an Infineon representative in Milpitas, CA to uncover the details. The gentleman that answered the phone kindly explained that there is no way the Infineon chip inside the original iPhone is incapable of receiving MMS since that function relies on software rather than hardware."

Clearly it is NOT a hardware issue.

"We contacted Apple for an official statement, the company reiterated what was told to us at the iPhone 3.0 event in March, "Now the hardware has changed enough between these two devices that not all the features will be available on the original iPhone. For instance, MMS and stereo Bluetooth will not be available on the original iPhone."

Apple's statement basically is saying, we're not going to give original iPhone users MMS, because we want you to buy the new model.

AND Swirly MMS works on 2G phones, thus obliterating any argument that it is a hardware issue.

[kashvii]

Originally Posted by flounderasu

Did you READ the article?

Here's an exerpt:
"We decided to get to the root of the problem by calling up the makers of the chip--Infineon. We contacted an Infineon representative in Milpitas, CA to uncover the details. The gentleman that answered the phone kindly explained that there is no way the Infineon chip inside the original iPhone is incapable of receiving MMS since that function relies on software rather than hardware."

Clearly it is NOT a hardware issue.

"We contacted Apple for an official statement, the company reiterated what was told to us at the iPhone 3.0 event in March, "Now the hardware has changed enough between these two devices that not all the features will be available on the original iPhone. For instance, MMS and stereo Bluetooth will not be available on the original iPhone."

Apple's statement basically is saying, we're not going to give original iPhone users MMS, because we want you to buy the new model.

AND Swirly MMS works on 2G phones, thus obliterating any argument that it is a hardware issue.

Well put!

[myke580]

im at a dead end all im getting is blank white
spots where other settings should go

[Nerologic]

Originally Posted by orlandson

Looks like a hardware issue:

The Truth Behind MMS on the Original iPhone

http://www.maclife.com/articl/news/t...riginal_iphone

That article got deleted.

Thank god for google cache...i am not into wearing tin foil hats, but i wouldn't be surprised if apple had that thread shut down.

Since the announcement of iPhone software 3.0, the Internet has been busy picking away at its many builds finding new and exciting features. One feature the OS spelunkers don't have to root around for is MMS. Apple is finally bringing the sought after feature to the iPhone.

Well, not every iPhone, the original iPhone is being left out of the MMS party because of hardware differences. Users still connected via their first-gen iPhone are omitted from this particular firmware update feature. Apple stated at their iPhone 3.0 event in March that there are enough hardware changes from the original iPhone to the iPhone 3G that MMS and Stereo Bluetooth will not be available on the original iPhone. This has lead to speculation that the iPhone 2G can't handle MMS. After some investigation, we found out otherwise.

The original iPhone contains the Infineon PMB8876 modem chip, while its beefier successor uses the Infineon BGA736L16 Tri-band modem which allows for 3G functionality. While Apple doesn't advertise the innards of their devices, iFixit.com has made it their mission to perform gadget autopsies to see what makes our favorite electronics tick.

We asked iFixit.com if they believed the Infineon PMB8876 modem chip was unable to send MMS because of hardware issues. iFixit.com told us that they didn’t think that was the case.

We decided to get to the root of the problem by calling up the makers of the chip--Infineon. We contacted an Infineon representative in Milpitas, CA to uncover the details. The gentleman that answered the phone kindly explained that there is no way the Infineon chip inside the original iPhone is incapable of receiving MMS since that function relies on software rather than hardware.

Finally, after browsing through a barrage of websites in a multitude of foreign languages, we discovered that there are two other mobile phone models that use the same Infineon chip as the original iPhone: the BenQ-Siemens M81 and the BenQ-Siemens EL71. Both of these phones contain the PMB8876 chip. While neither phone contains the multitude of features the iPhone boasts, both are equipped with MMS ability.

We contacted Apple for an official statement, the company reiterated what was told to us at the iPhone 3.0 event in March, "Now the hardware has changed enough between these two devices that not all the features will be available on the original iPhone. For instance, MMS and stereo Bluetooth will not be available on the original iPhone."

The company doesn't state that the original iPhone is incapable of MMS, just that the hardware has changed enough that it won't be getting MMS. It's those changes that could bring a tear to the eyes of original iPhone owners everywhere.

The Truth Behind MMS on the Original iPhone | Mac|Life

[Mandizzle]

I bet the reason apple didn't release mms for 2g is so that swirly mms doesnt go out of business lol...I mean if you guys figure this out, what will happen to swirly?? lol tough love...

Originally Posted by Nerologic

That article got deleted.

Thank god for google cache...i am not into wearing tin foil hats, but i wouldn't be surprised if apple had that thread shut down.




The Truth Behind MMS on the Original iPhone | Mac|Life

and thanks for enlightening us, they are stupid and were trying to get it to work thinking its impossible in the first place...

[vsc]

In short Apple is full of deception on this issue as well as tethering with the 2G phone. I strongly suspect the 2G bluetooth supports stereo as well as all the other profiles we all accept as normal on a cell phone.

The real reason is that Apple wants to give 2G users who are at end of contract now a reason to upgrade. Also this limits their investment in regression testing software on the older 2G platform.

One question. Why can't Apple just be honest with the public?

[|Papa|]

Originally Posted by orlandson

Looks like a hardware issue:

The Truth Behind MMS on the Original iPhone

http://www.maclife.com/articl/news/t...riginal_iphone

Sorry that link doesn't work, but the argument that it's a hardware issue doesn't hold water. How is Swirlymms able to do mms on the original iPhone if it's a hardware limitation? It just doesn't make any sense why Apple would claim such a thing other than wanting people to spend more money on their new product.

[h.abdulhamid86]

Originally Posted by Qdawg

h.abdulhamid86 - Any news on the full system folder copy?

update: it crashed my iPhone...and, i think im done for now. i went like two whole days unreachable from tinkering with it and having to do so many restores.

when i copied the system file over, my phone kept getting the spinny wheel thingy right in the middle of the screen. i am assuming there are too many critical dependencies to be able to change so many files while the phone is actually running.

other ideas are possibly transferring files in dfu mode or over usb instead of ssh. i'll probably try a few more things before i throw in the towel though...

i have an idea of adding a boolean item to Messaging.app's plist file in settings(preferences) in hopes to enable the MMS toggle there.

[mkblade]

Originally Posted by h.abdulhamid86

This thread is about enabling MMS on first-gen iPhones via Messages.app (not swirlymms).

Here is what i have so far:

I have enabled MMS settings in Settings > General > Network > Cellular Data Network.

how? i modified M68AP.plist by adding a boolean item 'mms' and marking it true.

idk if it is simply just the form, or if it is functional. i have had people send me an MMS but none of them came through.

next up: getting the camera icon in Messages.app

You said you have gotten the MMS Settings to be shown in the Settings...but not the actual camera icon...

What if though, depending on your Carrier..you were to fill in those required settings, (Username..etc.) as I did that on my brothers 3G and then rebooted the phone to have the camera icon enabled! It's worth a shot..

AT&T
APN: wap.cingular
User: wap@cingulargprs.com
Pw: CINGULAR1
MMSC: mmsc.cingular.com
Proxy: 66.209.11.32

EDIT: I tried this yet no such luck...yet strange how just entering this into the 3G enabled the camera icon in the messaging

[oneduality]

The company doesn't state that the original iPhone is incapable of MMS, just that the hardware has changed enough that it won't be getting MMS. It's those changes that could bring a tear to the eyes of original iPhone owners everywhere.

In other words, without the clever wordplay..

The iPhone has been brought up to the 3GS now, it's been changed enough that we think the original iphone users need to uprade, sot hey won't be getting MMS in hopes that it will persuade them.

It's probably going to take more than some plist editing to make this work.. the messaging app is probably checking the hardware in the phone to see if it is a 3G or not, so editing the plist may activate some gui elements, but the messaging app itself probably won't play ball .. the solution may be in cracking the messaging app itself in addition to enabling those plist settings..

Just a thought

[tekwiz]

How about trying to just copy the messaging.app from a 3g to 2g? If it checks the hardware (mess. app) then we are screwed. If it doesn't, maybe it will work..

[phreakwenci]

I'm gonna follow this thread too.. It's peaked my interest.

[tekwiz]

After getting MMS hafl working on my boss' iphone 3g. Got Camera app but they fail to send because I did not do the sim switch hack. I am thinking we just need a way to enable or get the mms settings option under cellular data network. Then those of us with t-mobile and a plan that allows it should just be able to put the settings in and go. I've been trying a lot of things but I cannot get the MMS settings to show under general-->network-->cellular data network.

I used the APN settings file from Cydia in conjunction with benm.at's mobile config to get that option on the boss's 3g..no luck yet on 2g. Also, when trying to put an ipcc file via SSH into my 2g, I noticed it put itself (The sym link) routed to unknown bundle....