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    Not sure why my example is poor. Just because I modded a dll file to allow it to work. They distributed it freely. Is it that much different than tearing apart an iOS ipsw file?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NewdestinyX View Post
    Yeah, Bo, that's the easy part. Everyone agrees that the pirate who mods with stolen PS is a tool.

    But what about those of us who use theme mods created with a theme creator's stolen PhotoShop? Are we being unethical? That's the question on the table....
    I stand by my post. This is a chicken or egg type of question. Our character and moral values define us.

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    Yes. Our character and moral values that we implement in our actions define us. Daily. I agree with this post 1000%.

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    Nah.. Oversimplification.. Of course our character and morals define us. But that's not even remotely answering the question of "inherited culpability ".

    I pass along a counterfeit $20 bill without knowing it... Am "I" a "counterfeiter"? That's really the question on the table... That's the closest analogy...

    Using a phone with hacked iOS isn't even remotely a direct analogy..
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    Quote Originally Posted by NewdestinyX View Post
    I pass along a counterfeit $20 bill without knowing it... Am "I" a "counterfeiter"? That's really the question on the table... That's the closest analogy...
    This is a ridiculous statement to me. To attach responsibility on someone who was unaware is an extreme position to take. U might as well start calling people liars if they mistakenly misquote a stats percentage, in which case u r a big liar NewD. So if I last checked that unemployment was at 10 percent and told someone but it's actually at 10.3 percent, u r going to say I'm a liar just because I was unaware?
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    If I steal a car, take it to a drag strip and win a race. Does this take away from the Win? In my mind the win has no creditability. I am still a thief
    If I pirate PS, does this take away from the art I may of created? Yes.
    This is a moral question we all must ask ourselves.
    Debating this is crazy, this is a no win situation.

    Next topic of discussion.

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    Best comment related to my original question (below)


    Quote Originally Posted by Krima View Post



    To attach responsibility on someone who was unaware is an extreme position to take.



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    If a train leaves St Louis traveling East at 60mph and another train leaves the same station traveling west at 50mph, what color is the first train?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EricB78 View Post
    If a train leaves St Louis traveling East at 60mph and another train leaves the same station traveling west at 50mph, what color is the first train?
    Pink...duh. What are u Eric, some kind of moron.

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    R u making fun?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krima View Post
    Pink...duh. What are u Eric, some kind of moron.
    Nah. I'm just checking to see if you knew. Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by EricB78 View Post
    Nah. I'm just checking to see if you knew. Lol
    Touché sir.

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  23. #1552
    Well. Living in America, which most of us live rich. Wether we know it or not ...... Doesn't change the standing of other country or other people that have to steal
    And fight every day to live. If someone steals an apple. Because they have not are in 4 days. And are starving Would you say that's wrong ? I probably wouldn't. There is always a fine line between right and wrong. Good and evil. Arrogance and confidence. Anyone that steals photoshop. Makes something and sales it. Is in the wrong. In my honest opinion.


    Speaking of drag racing. My dad just finished putting a new 350 small block in his 67 SS Painted it pearl white and taking it to the track this weekend in Mobile to break it in. Lol

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    @Bo-- The "chicken or the egg" conundrum is something completely different than what we're talking about here.

    @Krima-- I was just asking a question, my brother. I haven't come to a personal conclusion yet. Just stoking the fires a little bit like Gunny started to.

    Because Bo is right, that we are defined by our character, I expect this topic to maybe go a few more posts and then stop completely. Because we all need to look at ourselves in the mirror in the morning and feel good about what we see . And we all know that we have stuff on our phones that we don't want to be without that was created by themers we love - some of whom also happen to be creating their work on pirated copies of Photoshop. So, for 'feeling good about ourselves' sake' - we 'must' live in the ethical ambiguity.

    Really excellent debate question, Gunny! Sure not an easy one to come to personal terms with. But I dare say that how we come out on this issue speaks to our "talent" for rationalization and our penchant toward moral relativism.

    @Krima - the one who passes on counterfeit money (analogous to our user of a theme created on pirated Photoshop in our debate here) is considered culpable and charged with a misdemeanor in US law - whether or not they knew it was counterfeit. Extreme? Maybe… But nonetheless a precedent in ethics. "Utilization"(passing) of the counterfeit bills, without knowing their origin, doesn't absolve us of blame.. at least not in that instance........
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    Unfortunately 😝 not.




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    Quote Originally Posted by GUNNY29 View Post
    Unfortunately 😝 not.
    I knew we could be best friends one day...let's hope it happens soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King_O_Hill View Post
    Krima's a douche
    King, no means no man. I'm a deeply spiritual person, I just don't swing that way, sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krima View Post
    King, no means no man. I'm a deeply spiritual person, I just don't swing that way, sorry.
    There's something deep about you, but it's not your spirituality!
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    Quote Originally Posted by King_O_Hill View Post
    There's something deep about you, but it's not your spirituality!
    I think u r projecting your desire to go deep with me, you sicko.

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