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Thread: The Great Debate
09-05-2013, 10:15 AM #641
Now I know Simon.. He is 'feverishly' looking over at IPF for some 'real comparison' data he can use to sharpen his argument.. LOL!!
If he can prove that between 2010-2011's jailbreak period and/or 2011-2012's that MMI's jailbreak thread count was far superior - I will concede..
But what Simon's also not telling you is that I'd already admitted that being a guest here at MMI during that time I didn't have access to all MMI had. In Google searches the top 20 results to any question I had about jailbreaking pointed to IPF and not MMI. Again - hardly conclusive data... which is why 'indisputable' was an 'overreach'.
09-05-2013, 10:19 AM #642
I could probably get stats for those sections during that time period from Kyle if I felt this was important enough to bug him about it (which I don't). I could definitely get eye witness statements backing up my claims from the moderators here. Specifically Blkcadi, cowboy, iannie, yeow, 2k1 and cer0 just to name a few. That period of time is when myself, Annie, yeow, cowboy and 2k1 were extremely active and helpful in those sections. I racked up a very high percentage of my 40k posts in the jailbreak section during that time period, trust me when I say there were a LOT of help threads then. I could rack up 50 posts in a day without breaking a sweat by just helping people in those sections.
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09-05-2013, 10:26 AM #643
Stop being a victim, it's childish and unbecoming of an adult. These "attack" as you call them will stop when you stop. Take control and change this.
09-05-2013, 10:27 AM #644
09-05-2013, 10:31 AM #645
What does Google searches have to do with you saying that another's site had more traffic and that this was indisputable?
You really can't say it huh?
I love this thread by the way. The only place I don't feel guilty about discussing these sort if things.
09-05-2013, 10:35 AM #646
Somewhere - my 'tone' is being misunderstood. I have no desire to be a 'stroke the ego' type of people I admire - and yet I thank them all the time. Count the amount of YAHOO FOR WW posts I've made in that thread.. I am VERY encouraging.. But when I have a few observations I get called a 'bore' and 'repetitive'.. even by a guy I admire like D. His reactions to me and King's in the beginning seemed more like those of 'hurt feelings'. And they WERE attacks (mini) on me.. And unwarranted.
I'm tired again.... Once again I offer you the last word (unless it's an attack or present inaccurate/distorted data).
I love this thread by the way. The only place I don't feel guilty about discussing these sort if things.
09-05-2013, 10:43 AM #647
Grant, I told you and King has told you that you in NO WAY shaped the weather widget tweak. The mere fact that you believe this is why SO many people get frustrated with you. Please listen, YOU DID NOT SHAPE THE TWEAK IN ANY WAY. Saying it doesn't make it true and you dismissed my comment and said you would only believe it if King said it.
So what happened next? King came in and told you that you didn't shape the tweak in any way. Now you said you would believe it if he said it and he did and now you are repeating that you helped shaped the tweak. You are not a man of your word and I'm sorry that I just learned that you are not an honest person.
I would like to see those posts Grant that proves that Constant Mode wasn't part of the original design and that shaped the tweak. Don't just talk out of your azz, for once provide data to support your statement. If not, I will conclude that you have no proof and are in fact wrong.
Last edited by Krima; 09-05-2013 at 10:51 AM.
09-05-2013, 10:55 AM #648
Just to clarify:
It was the intent from the very first emails with Stephen to basically merge MyLocation with Native weather to produce the perfect weather data obtaining vehicle that we could. In case you didn't notice, I am probably the biggest supporter of MyLocation with almost 10,000 downloads of it from my repo alone.
Now why would I not ask for this functionality in the new tweak that I wanted. If that we're the case, then Native weather was just fine as is.
09-05-2013, 10:55 AM #649
When a communication is taken wrong - that responsibility is NOT on the receiver - but on the GIVER. The best communicators are people that know their audience, an audience of '1' or many. By that same token -- i DO admit that "I", my written words, ARE indeed taken wrong sometimes because of MY delivery. I have no problem admitting that. Whether or not I'm willing to change my style is another issue - or whether I even need to.
From day 1 of my arrival I have been swimming upstream to be even accepted into this community on the basis of my professional skills sets. And yet, apart from the "most popular theme of the day" threads, mostly in the technical threads I've been able to amass over 4K thanks. I guess I'm meeting a need somewhere... But when it comes to the veterans (except Ian, Dacal, MJ, for the most part King and until recently, D), I get LOADS of grief and patronizing rhetoric, almost as if I'm a threat to them.... It's like being back in High School all over again sometimes.. Uggh... CLiques and breaking into groups and proving yourself.. Oy.... It's so exhausting... I
Ian's a great example of how people could 'deal' with my 'Not always right, but always confident' personality style. Ian will always make a light joke about my 'pedantic' long winded replies or warn me - "there you go - you're gonna confuse someone"..... BUT then he always helps with the issue and FINDS a way to encourage my input. On only one occasion can I remember pushing his buttons to the point of him 'losin' it.. But even then he never 'attacked me' with condescension and patronization like you and other vets do regularly. MamaJaay also, who is KNOWN to speak into NONSENSE.. acknowledges my helpfulness and is always kind.
I can only hope to one day be as helpful and D and King to others. They know so much more than I do.. But even King no longer 'regularly' attacks me and acknowledges the value I can offer. They've ALL successfully built a filter for my 'SOMEtimes annoying' style. You and others need to as well... Don't correct me - or try to change me. I'm 51, K... I'm not changing.. DESPITE my communication style I'm considered helpful by the stats and by a lot of PM's I get.. But that's a weaker argument since I can't prove it.
Okay -- have to go to work now..
But DON'T TWIST MY WORDS.. Credit for the AMAZING WW tweak at every design phase belong to KING, DURBEN and STEPHEN.. I am a humble user.. But there was a time when a Constant Mode was 'in question' and not seen as a needed element in the final.. and from what King said.. its implementation took the longest time to get close to right. We're still having trouble with it sadly..
09-05-2013, 11:12 AM #650
What I took away from that long post is that it is because others like Ian, that don't get sucked in is why you feel like you are taken well. You deflect responsibility and put the burden on others. It takes a special person like Ian to be so cordial with you but do you want to know how I interpret that.
Ian is so nice and polite to everyone that you have managed to push his buttons and bait him into almost getting down to my level. Do you really not see that the mere fact that you have pushed Ian to make remarks is a HUGE signal in how irritating your posts can come across. I am again surprised that you do not see that even Ian ,and Durben for that matter, have gotten frustrated with you. Do you really not see that this means that you have a problem in how you communicate your thoughts. Even in mentioning, again, your communication skills you are so condescending.
I guess I'm just different in the sense that if I am acting a certain way and many people have an issue with me based on those actions, I begin to analyze my behavior and start taking responsibility. I never think to start blaming everyone else for the way I'm taken. This is what's called having an internal locus of control Grant. You have an external locus of control. Look these terms up because they really do sum up the main difference between you and I.
Have a good day at work, my annoying Uncle.
Last edited by Krima; 09-05-2013 at 11:24 AM.
09-05-2013, 11:17 AM #651
modmyi came up all the time and still does in searches I do for jailbreak relates things. Would you like me to do a few "let me google that for you" searches to prove it? I bet you if I do iphoneforums does not come up at all.
Just a few random ones off the top of my head
Let me google that for you MMi comes up on page 2. No sign of iphoneforums anywhere.
Let me google that for you again MMi page 2. No sign of iphoneforums anywhere.
Let me google that for you MMi number 1, woohoo lol (I did this search just the other day for myself). No sign of iphoneforums anywhere.
Let me google that for you MMi on first page. No sign of iphoneforums anywhere.
Should I keep going?
09-05-2013, 11:46 AM #652
Sorry Grant but you're way off that dude.
This was always the intention of what I asked Stephen.
It just took us some steps to get there.
I was not pushing back on the idea at all on your "early posts"
I was just overstating the fact that we could update by opening the app to get a new city.
The point of saying it was alright was more to get a rise out of you than anything else.
We were already working on the updating options at the time.
There was just no point to explain the same thing over and over to you.
Last edited by The_Durben; 09-05-2013 at 11:50 AM.
09-05-2013, 11:52 AM #653
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(NewD would only twist it anyway)
He wants credit!! LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO
09-05-2013, 11:57 AM #654
Thanks for that email. I stand corrected as to timing of the idea of a Constant Mode. Yours and King's input to the iWidgets thread led me to believe otherwise.
09-05-2013, 12:01 PM #655
Well there you have it Grant. Indisputable proof, now it's appropriate to use this word, that you in no way shaped the tweak.
Will you now please stop saying you shaped it and deserve some credit. I hope now you can finally admit it.
Grant did you look up those terms? You just said "Yours and King's input to the iWidgets thread led me to believe otherwise". External locus of control.
Last edited by Krima; 09-05-2013 at 12:04 PM.
09-05-2013, 12:13 PM #656
Me saying if it would only update the city when you opened the app I could deal with was more in line to "if we could not get the city to auto update in its own"
I would have still used the tweak. Doesn't mean I wasn't trying to get it to do it on its own.
09-05-2013, 01:28 PM #657
09-05-2013, 01:43 PM #658
Durben was willing to live with it, but I wasn't. So it's not an issue of semantics, it's an issue of interpreting it the way that works for you. In the very beginning we made a wish list of all the features that we wanted ( this is typical for a mechanical engineer ). Then we try to get them all to work. Durben was willing to make that concession to full auto updating, but it never came off the table or was ever in jeopardy of being downgraded to a manual operation.
09-05-2013, 02:55 PM #659
Here's a quick stat collection I did comparing iphoneforums highest traffic jailbreak section to ours:
iPhoneforums iPhone help section:
2011: 2300 new threads made
2010: 740 new threads made (seems their threads don't go back that far, weird huh for such an old high traffic forum).
MMi General section under jailbreaking:
2011: 5300 new threads made
2010: 7780 new threads made
Now that is just comparing the highest traffic jailbreak sections I could find. From what I can see we have a lot more sub sections than they do so something is telling me that gap could get much wider if I were to continue and work out the stats for every jailbreak section here and there. Not sure you want me to do that though Grant. Let me know how that humble pie tastes, although I am sure you will find some way to spin this somehow to wriggle out of saying you were and are wrong.
09-05-2013, 03:13 PM #660
He will find some way to spin this in his favor. Just look at his last post. King and Durben both said that he didn't shape the tweak but because Durben said he "could deal" with it not auto updating, that this means that Grant shaped the tweak.
I mean, am I the only one that reads this and seriously thinks that this guy has a serious delusional problem? Something is really off with this guy but I love hearing how he over reaches and how condescending he is. He will not admit out right that he was wrong. Even with these numbers he will not just admit it and stop.
Laissez le bon temps rouler (Let the good times roll).