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Thread: The Great Debate
08-22-2013, 11:50 PM #541
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08-23-2013, 02:31 AM #542
Hey, the party's over here ! And I'm not invited ?
How come ?
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08-23-2013, 06:52 AM #543
Thanks for moving that junk here, Simon (all of it).. where it belongs...Here to help if I can. If I can't I know someone who can!
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08-23-2013, 07:39 AM #544
Yeah we're back. So now I can ask Grant a question.
Dude, why do u always bring up your "20 years of beta testing" ********? U talk about not wanting to offend others and Durben has mentioned how this comes across and yet u just said it again in the widget weather thread.
What's weird is that it wasn't even necessary in your last post and yet u still brought it up.
To be honest, this is just one reason why u were not a part of the beta team. No one wants to deal with someone that has such a condescending tone to there communication. U don't always have to force others into accepting why u r right by bringing up your "experience" all the time.
Even in my nice post about u that u thanked me for, u just had to correct me on something. U just had to point out that beta testing isn't about the big picture. I disagree of course but why did u have to even say that? Seriously, answer that question for me.
Read about software company Team Bondi. They put out a critically and commercially successful game but went bankrupt because no one wanted to work with the egotistical Founder.
08-23-2013, 07:46 AM #545
Comparing the MyLocation app to this tweak is like saying that you orange juice doesn't have enough apple taste in it. Now before you start disagreeing with me hear me out.
Though Derrick is correct to say that one can often tell if their city hasn't updated by KNOWING where they are - there are those of us who travel for a living that don't know every place we're traveling by heart. D lives and works in one basic place. He can tell. Many of the rest of us can't. Using a myLoc widget as a basis for comparison simply helps us determine if the WW widget SHOULD have changed loc by now. It's THAT simple. Why anyone as intelligent and experienced as you two can't see that as valid is truly mind boggling, bro. JUST don't get it. And you NEED to get why the comparison is valuable. You're so deep in code and caches sometimes that you can't see the big picture in a good testing paradigm.
So you point doesn't really help us. We are telling you what we need, but you are insistent on telling us what we need. This is the reason that you weren't included in the beta. Simple answer is your unwilling to do what is asked.
Sorry bud. We have been living this for weeks and want to get it working for most. All would be great, but it is a rather in depth tweak and we are not expecting miracles when running it on a hacked OS!
I know my 'straight forward communication style' can be a pain-in-the-***. But I get results. If you don't want/need that on future betas - your call. But please call it what it is. It has NOTHING to do with the quality of data I can give you - or that fact that you fear I'll give you something you DON'T need.. it's about your just not liking me.. or the hard questions I ask... You take everything about 'your tweak' -personally. And it's unbecoming a professional as yourself.
I'm not implying at all that "I'm" the only one that will work hard on a beta or asks good questions.. But i AM saying I'm 'in my element' both personally and professionally when in a test run.
Last edited by NewdestinyX; 08-23-2013 at 08:03 AM.Here to help if I can. If I can't I know someone who can!
08-23-2013, 07:50 AM #546
And I get called a megalomaniac. I would say he doesn't know the meaning of the word but there really is no point. I'm obviously wrong, or missed the point, or came to the party too late, or just don't understand, or am getting caught up in group think. Maybe I should just agree to disagree.
08-23-2013, 07:54 AM #547
If simply sharing it - is condescending.. well - I don't know what to say..
Let's face it, Krima.. All during the ramp up, in the iWidgets thread about creating WW - I was challenging whether basing anything on NATIVE was a good idea.. That just ticked some people off. But after all my bugging I noticed that the design team spent MOST of their time creating the Constant and Semi modes to ASSURE there would be NO auto-updating problem with WW like there had been with Native Weather. Many times in those discussions Durben said -- "I'm just happy to update by sliding down my NC"... Do you really think WW today would have a CONSTANT mode -- if "I" hadn't pushed for the auto-update thing as hard as I did? I seriously doubt it. Was it in the original plans? Well I doubt anyone will tell me the 'truth' about that..
I weary already of this... Trying to 'prove my worth' to a team - would be vain and useless when a certain "group think" is established and certain people just 'don't want my input'.. because of a 'personality thing'.. But I can get results. I'm available to any dev or modder that wants test results to be well mined for them.
Last edited by NewdestinyX; 08-23-2013 at 08:09 AM.Here to help if I can. If I can't I know someone who can!
08-23-2013, 07:56 AM #548
08-23-2013, 07:59 AM #549
And to be honest -- I'm not really 'hurt' about the beta test thing as much as I am the condescension toward me about what they think I know and CAN KNOW/UNDERSTAND and what I can't. Then when I bring up some of my credentials... it's just called 'condescending'. Sometimes you can't win for losin' in this place. It gets old, Simon. Even you, a moderator, mock and border on breaking forum rules (in terms of how to treat others) so many times it's like you should use the ban hammer on yourself, bro!
I never attack here... But i AM attacked REGULARLY -- THEN when I respond to 'defend' myself.. I'm told "I MAKE IT ALL ABOUT ME"... That's so unfair and intellectually dishonest. It really needs to stop. Why can't we just have a 'collegial' attitude toward each other?Here to help if I can. If I can't I know someone who can!
08-23-2013, 08:03 AM #550
08-23-2013, 08:10 AM #551
Grant, first let me say that you are not Steve Jobs. Search for an article "Steve Jobs broke every Leadership Rule" and read it. He was the exception and you are the rule. You do not possess the charisma or respect to pull of his style.
You mentioned me as not having experience but you do not know what I bring to the table, maybe none, but I still get invited to betas. The difference is I don't go around telling people I am in this beta or I am in that beta.
You disagreed with my big picture comment and didn't answer that question when I asked you too, but you just responded to King saying you are missing the "big picture" of testing. Is that not what I said yesterday in my nice post that you just had to point out was wrong. I am sure you are going to point out how this is not the same and this is exactly why so MANY people are getting fed up with you.
Even Ian himself said he was confused by YOUR questions. Ian was confused by how the tweak worked because of you. That says a lot and we have gotten results without you.
You can't accept the fact that your personality has prevented you from being in the "clique" as you put it. You want in Grant, stop being a Douche Lord.
Oh and by the way, your "input" wasn't the reason there was a constant mode. Pay attention now, you had NO impact on the features of this tweak and you are deluding yourself if you think otherwise.
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08-23-2013, 08:24 AM #552
08-23-2013, 08:24 AM #553
Oh and by the way, your "input" wasn't the reason there was a constant mode put in. You had NO impact on the features of this tweak and you are deluding yourself if you think otherwise.
See your reaction there, Krima... that last edited line you added? You just have to 'push me into "my" place'... I understand... that when you feel 'condescended to' it can bring that out.. And I surely have been trying to play SO much more nicely.. But I was offering SIMPLY help and was practically FORBADE to speak of myLocation in the WW thread.. How am I supposed to respond to that???????? And then for D and King to have the audacity to try and school me on what is valuable info in a test scenario... as if I'm a rank upstart.... ANYONE would have 'stepped to their face'... as I did... It was totally uncalled for and ungrateful.
Here to help if I can. If I can't I know someone who can!
08-23-2013, 08:31 AM #554
Grant I don't care about your "National Level" testing. This isn't national man, its just a forum. You said u were kinda hurt by not being invited and now u are saying that u weren't hurt. Which one is it man?
Trust me when I say, you have no idea what people here really think about you. Do not mistake politeness with acceptance. Do not mistake tolerance with approval.
And I love how if it comes from me it isn't valid. What I said about you and your input with regards to a constant mode will be confirmed by someone else so I expect an apology when that happens.
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08-23-2013, 08:36 AM #555
I have very few comments to all of this.
I have only once said that I write code for a living. Only because I was asked and I also stated that it is not HTML, JS or CSS. I write software for a part of my job. So I guess your correct that I am in over my head. I can't possible see how writing software could help in writing a tweak.
Trust me too in that your whining about Native Weather contributed nothing in the constant and semi modes. This was decided very early on before we even got the very first version. Get over yourself, again.
When I tell you what we need, it is based on what the dev has asked for. But I guess you know better than he does as to what he needs. I will be sure to pass along to him that he is asking for the wrong data.
Also the beta team selection was done with more than just your inside the box thinking. Part if my job is putting together teams for projects. I've learned that there is great merit in utilizing people that get along together is sometimes more important than the content that they can provide. This is not a job, nor is it for pay. I picked some of the people because these were people that I wanted to interact with on a daily basis. People that would not start arguments. People that would truly work together with 2 goals in mind, this is fun to do and let's find a better way.
I never speak of my background. You don't have much idea what I do. I don't constantly brag about anything that I do, this is not the place for it.
I can't even comment on the rest of the crap that you wrote.
08-23-2013, 08:42 AM #556
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08-23-2013, 08:47 AM #558
08-23-2013, 08:55 AM #559
I do NOT start arguments, King. But I do respond when people push back on me for no good reason simply because I was trying to offer help. And I pushback on people that occasionally get so pushy with an affront to me when I'm simply there to offer help - like you have whenever I dare to enter a thread where you're helping someone. I also never tell people "they're out of their league" as you have often done to me. And you have talked about your experience more than once, my friend. The problem here, for me, there's a double standard at this place many times.
Stephen would want to know, Brian, that the tweak in constant mode was not updating with the regularity of the GPS antenna itself reporting a new position. Using MyLocation, a tested and proven bugless tweak, gives us a comparison base for discovering when an actual new GPS location is being reported to the phone at any entry point. MyLocation updates… WW doesn't update… The problem is obviously in WW. Stephen would want to know that, don't you think?
Last edited by NewdestinyX; 08-23-2013 at 09:17 AM.Here to help if I can. If I can't I know someone who can!
08-23-2013, 09:24 AM #560
If you can find more than 2 posts of mine where I have talked about my experience and where I said that you are out of your league, I will send you $1000. I have made comments to these 2 topics only once or twice. You have brought them up numerous times saying that I always say these things. It is you that perpetuate these comments, not me brother.
Stephen is aware of the problems and the way for him to solve them is with written proof of what is happening. He gets this proof through the log file and the crash report. Trust me, you telling him there is a problem, is not helping one bit, he knows.
Your reference to how you were gauging WW to MyLocation was based on how your widgets were updating. You never said that the tweak was updating position at a different intervals. How would you know? You are basing all this off of the actual update of the widget and not the update tweak! You cant tell when the tweak updates unless you look at the log files. This is exactly what I need, but you refuse to acknowledge this and you refuse to send them to me.