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Originally Posted by davebu Leading the league is not about the LeBron vs Rose matchup every night. Rose will only go up against LeBron what twice? That matchup will have...
12-16-2011, 07:49 PM #4621
Dirk was the best player last year as he proved it in the playoffs.
12-17-2011, 02:29 AM #4622
Dirk was by far #1 in the playoffs, but I'd give the nod to Howard for the regular season.
12-17-2011, 03:44 AM #4623
Also, do you see any other teams having another player that would be able to slow Rose down like LeBron did? BTW, it seems like everyone is talking about Bulls vs Heat being the #1 matchup any other teams wanna chime in against either of the two? Maybe a west team? I don't see any of them being a threat, i expect the eastern conference to be the bulls and heat again, for the next couple of years even, and this year the winner taking the championship easily. I don't think the west will be able to compete (but then again, anything can happen, breakout player of the year, unheard of rookie dominating, the spurs playing decent, anything can happen)
12-17-2011, 09:02 AM #4624
12-17-2011, 01:23 PM #4625
12-17-2011, 01:40 PM #4626
The Celtics are probably going to sign Arenas now that Jeff Green is out for the year.
@davebu Your point of there only being 1 Lebron is my point. For the Bulls to reach the finals they're gonna have to go through Miami. Lebron is the point-forward for the Heat, they don't need a good PG. And none of us are psychics, let's just wait till they play the damn games lol.
12-17-2011, 01:55 PM #4627
Yes he's a once in a generation type of player, but I don't see him rewriting what's been used for years in a PG, SG, SF, PF, C. There are various advantages to each position and the Heat will loose the PG, loosing spreading the ball, hitting the open man. If thats how the Heat decide to play defensively against the Bulls I expect Rose to get 10 assists in the 4th, with a few buckets as well, and LeBron to be shut down completely first because
I asked Lebron for a dollar and he gave me $0.75. I asked, "Where's the rest?" and he said, "I don't give a fourth quarter"
yea yea, overused joke aside, he really doesn't, and with Deng, one of the best defenders in the league (whose also good for 18ppg).
12-17-2011, 02:06 PM #4628
I don't think Steve Nash was the best player at all during those years he won. Kobe was a much better player those years to name one. MVP doesn't mean best player in the league. Never has. Another example would be Karl Malone the year he won. I wouldn't consider him better than Michael Jordan that year.
12-17-2011, 02:20 PM #4629
I think you mean unselfish in the 4th? He defers to Wade. They Heat will most likely pick up Baron Davis even though he's out for 8-10 weeks. Baron was always a top 5 PG in the league when he tried. Key word though.... 'TRIED'
PG - Advantage Bulls
SG - Advange Heat
SF - Advantage Heat
PF - Wash (even though Bosh outplayed Boozer in the series)
C - Advantage Bulls
Bench - up in the air
Again, I have to see these teams play. Good thing I have League Pass haha. Lot's of teams look good on paper in every sport (a.k.a. Phil. Eagles) but it's what they do on the court/field that counts.
Last edited by punjabi212; 12-17-2011 at 02:24 PM.
12-17-2011, 03:49 PM #4630
Kobe was most definitely robbed of the MVP that 2nd year that Nash won it.
MVP does not translate to the best player in the league. As alluded to earlier, Jordan would have won it pretty much every year after he came into his prime.
MVP is merely what player is most valuable to their team, but even by that standard, I still don't believe that Rose was the #1 choice. Howard was hands down the only thing that kept Orlando even in the running. Go and take a look at the number of games played by his supporting cast; the guy had absolutely no solid support throughout the entire season.
You could also make the argument for Dirk too. Take a look at how they did while he was out with injury, they were 2-7 through that time, and then 1-3 "with a getting into shape Dirk."
The more I think about our roster this year, the more I am excited about the season. I can't wait to see how Odom fits in. Mahinmi will definitely get more minutes this year after he stepped up and held his own during the playoffs. I just hope Beaubois is back to he original strength.
12-17-2011, 04:36 PM #4631
I gotta say tht the thing tht put Rose over Howard was that Bulls had the best record oh n the stats.
Has Howard won a MVP award?
12-17-2011, 05:23 PM #4632
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12-18-2011, 12:27 PM #4634
I'd still say the Bulls have an advantage on the bench, Bosh somehow did outplay Boozer, not that Boozer is the best or anything just Bosh normally isn't very good. I would seriously consider taking Taj Gibson over Boozer, if he plays like he did that series then I would take him over Bosh as well. I also think you overestimate the advantages at the other positions, Rose is far better than any PG they would be able to put on the court, same with Noah. LeBron isn't that much better than Deng in comparison, and normally I would say wade has a huge advantage over Rip, or any other SG we could throw out there, but Wade never plays well against the Bulls.
And yes Kobe carried them into the playoffs, but straight stats is not stat line. Win shares and efficiency are major factors, but not always everything either. Nash may not have really deserved it, but he was given it because of how good he made the players around him. Without him they were all much much worse. They rewarded his unselfish play. They may have done it to attempt to make other players try to be more unselfish. You can't deny that he wasn't the best at moving the ball around, hitting the open man, and confusing the defense. He may not have been the best scorer, but thats not all the game is about.
Dirk's presence is more emotional than anything. If that same team never had Dirk they wouldn't have been 3-10in that stretch. A great player, and he earned a much better award in the finals. Last time someone took both was Shaq 10 years ago.
Dwight will probably get 2 more defensive player of the year awards, he'll probably get Rodman's 7 straight glass crowns record too, and an MVP.
12-18-2011, 02:25 PM #4635
Dwight's lucky he didn't play with Rodman, Hakeem, Shaq, Mutumbo, Mourning, Robinson, and Ben Wallace while in their primes (and to a certain extent, Duncan and Garnett). He has no competition right now.
I think you're missing the point with Kobe. It wasn't all about his stats, but how he carried a bunch of scrubs to the playoffs. Nash was deserving of the MVP the first time but not the second IMO. And let's not forget, Nash is a huge liability on defense.
One more week fellas, the Garden is goin' to be CRAZYYY!!!!!!
Last edited by punjabi212; 12-18-2011 at 02:28 PM.
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12-18-2011, 07:14 PM #4637
Baron Davis to the Knicks. He's always wanted to play for the Knicks so hopefully he's motivated.
12-18-2011, 08:21 PM #4638
I just remembered we got Delonte West, we're doomed! Season is down the drain now.
12-19-2011, 12:09 PM #4639
I'm not saying that any of these guys are future HOF candidates, but there are some good big men around right now, and some great rebounders. He does have competition at that. Noah, Bogut, Love, Randolph, Griffin, Boozer, I'm sure theres a few more that could be added.
Oh, I defenitely appreciate Dirk's game, he is a ridiculous player. What I meant by that is that team last year was good enough to do a lot better than 3-10 without Dirk. Not to underestimate his offensive prowess, but that team was overall great. If they weren't they would not have been able to win last season. The only player I've ever seen guard Dirk well was Noah, but Chandler made it so that couldn't happen all game. He just has way too many weapons.
12-24-2011, 01:38 PM #4640
Cuban has pretty much thrown in the towel on this season. Sigh...