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01-11-2010, 11:44 AM #1
What should I do regarding a tenant?
Tenant is a 32 year old who moved into my moms house into a room. He's a student going for his MBA and I thought he would be a good prospect. We charged him $400 + 1 month deposit to move in. The 2nd day he was in he almost burned down my mothers house. Now it's partially my mothers fault because she keeps papers, aerosol can, etc in the oven for storage but his because he didn't check the oven before hitting the preheat. The only damage was the stove which I believe is a total loss since the inside is completely damaged as well as the knobs being burned black and melted a bit.
I confronted him and told him we will be keeping his deposit and he would have to find another place to move. The whole house smells of smoke and we have to clean the walls, all the cloths in the house, bedsheets, etc. Our house had black smoke when I arrived to my mothers house. The fire dept. ripped the curtains off the wall and damaged a couple of things.
The tenant didn't sign a contract when he moved in by the way. I'm going to meet him today and tell him he has 1 1/2 weeks to find another place and that I will keep the deposit for damages. I will take the $400 and divide by the days in the month and find out how much of that we keep and how much we give back. Is this fair? I will pay him with a check because once he cashes it isn't that like saying he agreed to the terms?
What do you guys recommend?Android user suffering from iPhone withdraw.
01-11-2010, 12:07 PM #2
I would double check that you can just kick him out like that without at least 30 days notice. I know in Washington State, you have to give 30 days notice and even then the tenant can drag it out for another month or so by going to court. Also remember that just because the tenant didn't sign a contract, it doesn't mean you don't have one. Contracts can be verbal and just as binding.
Keep in mind that this advice is coming from an IT Analyst and not a lawyer.
01-11-2010, 12:46 PM #3
Yeah but we didn't verbally agree to anything. This guy is totally not what he seemed the first time. When I saw him he looked real nerdy so I figured he would be quiet and keep to himself. He doesn't have a job because he's going to a local university in my area. My mom is the only one in the house and she tells me he has pornographic videos playing at night and he's loud. I'm planning on going over there and telling him he needs to be out in that time frame. If he doesn't I will take all his stuff out and drag him out if need be. I will change the locks on my moms door.
What gets me mad is that he's basically trying to say it's not his fault my moms house almost got burned down. I wanted to demoralize his face with a open palm slap when he said that.Android user suffering from iPhone withdraw.
01-11-2010, 12:54 PM #4
I believe Obama signed something into law stating that tenents have 90 days from the time
of the eviction notice; however, this may pertain only to forclosure evictions.
Also, in my own opinion. For you to kick a guy out for pre-heating an oven seems pretty silly. Who in their right mind keeps flammable objects in a place that is regularly used to heat things up beyond the point of combustion? That's like getting mad at someone for firing a gun that you loaded. I feel that your kicking him out is absurd because not only are you losing money on the room, but the situation is not being dealt with in an adult way. Your taking a side (obviously with your mother) and because of this, you will be taking the bigger loss. I.E. Property damages, no rent for room, the stress of renting the room out again, etc.
Good luck you though, the whole situation sounds like it sucks and I feel for you.
01-11-2010, 01:37 PM #5
I don't know. You keep papers aerosols in the oven for storage? I think you deserve to have your house burned down.
Do you know how retarded that makes you and your family sound? It sounds like it's your mom that has problems, not the tenant. I mean, you keep stuff in the oven? WTF? WTF IS THAT ALL ABOUT, MAN? ******* hell.
One day you'll be on the front page of the local paper, and the whole town will realised how stupid you are. Seriously Speak to your mom. Tell her the oven is not a storage place. It's somewhere that you cook stuff, it gets really hot and ****.
You don't keep ******* aerosols in the ******* oven
I think you've lost touch with reality if you think people should be checking ovens for aerosol cans and family heirlooms before they try cook a burger.
Last edited by redcard; 01-11-2010 at 01:37 PM. Reason: Automerged DoublepostTo live, you have to lie
01-11-2010, 02:07 PM #6
I don't live with my mom. My MOM leaves that stuff in the oven. If I knew this I would have simply walked to the liquor store, got a box and packed everything in the box. My point is that common sense will tell you to check an oven before you preheat it. I always check the oven in my apartment even though I don't leave anything in it. For all I know there could be a pot, pan, or even a dead animal in there such as a rat. I don't have rats but that's just an example I'm making.
I clearly stated that it's both of their faults but I'm not going to just let him get away with what he did either. There were 2 fire extinguishers in the kitchen. The retard ran next door and banged on their door asking for them to call 911 when he had his cellphone with him. The part that gets me mad is my mom telling me that he was joking with his friends on the phone about the incident. My mom is hispanic and apparently he assumes she doesn't understand everything in English. There's a fine line between admitting and taking partial ownership in what happened and ridiculing someone.Android user suffering from iPhone withdraw.
01-11-2010, 02:25 PM #7
No, common sense tells you not to use the oven to store chemicals. I'm pretty sure everyone here has switched on the oven without looking inside, then go out for a smoke, or make a drink.
I'm pretty sure everyone who read this was laughing, so you can't really blame the tenant for than.To live, you have to lie
01-11-2010, 02:27 PM #8
Just because YOU do that doesn't mean everyone does it nifnard. If anyone can provide constructive criticism please feel free to do so. Stop trolling redcard.Android user suffering from iPhone withdraw.
01-11-2010, 05:04 PM #9
I know here in LA.....The tenant has 30 days after he has been served the eviction notice.
01-11-2010, 05:25 PM #10
Just like I thought, you can't just give the guy a week and a half. I think you might look in to formally evicting him.
01-11-2010, 05:31 PM #11
Let me offer you a reason why you might check the oven before turning it on. Because your mom stores things in the oven that will blow your @$$ up. Thus, you check. I have to agree with redcard on this one. Minus the situation above, what possible reason could you have for checking the oven before preheating? The worst thing I could possibly imagine is heating up a cookie sheet!
01-11-2010, 05:42 PM #12
This does sound like your mom's fault. IMO the tenant isn't in the wrong here (I've preheated the oven without checking it many times..).
Even if it was my fault and it was MY house I would be joking around about with my friends later anyways. That's what I love about friends, they can make any serious situation sound so much better.
In a state of panic, you don't always do the commonsense thing to do. Adrenaline - fight or flight, ever heard of it? When we're in a dangerous situation, our minds don't think clearly and our instincts kick in. Like when you're being chased by dogs, it's better to NOT make any sudden movements right? but what is it that most people tend to do? RUN!
I think you should give the tenant a warning and tell him next time something like that happens he WILL be evicted, then tell your mom to stop storing HIGHLY flammable objects in a place which is commonly used to heat & cook things.
But that's just IMO and I doubt you'll do that. I'm pretty sure you need to give them like 30 days warning.. you should check with your state or a lawyer.I always feel sorry for the guy in the iPhone commercials. He always gets a call right in the middle of trying to do something
01-11-2010, 06:55 PM #13
lol dnt mean to laugh but come on!!!! the only reason i check the oven is cos of my imbecile ex and her pikey family who leave things in there. just tell him your mum is used to certain ways and give him a list, also tell him to respect the place and if he's not going to then please find another place. its ur mums fault and yours for not laying down rules when he moved in. if the future tennent dnt like it then they dnt move in. but if i was ur mums neighbour id be looking to evict her for putting my house at risk.
01-11-2010, 07:23 PM #14
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01-12-2010, 11:42 AM #16
I spoke to him yesterday and told him he has a month to leave. I recorded my conversation with him on my iPhone. I don't know for sure what exactly was in the oven but the first time this happened it was because of an aerosol can. I know there was other stuff in the oven like electronics (tape recorder) and papers. I feel that it's common sense that if you want to heat up a burrito the size of a taco bell one you should use the STOVE not the OVEN. We also had a microwave in the kitchen as well.
I understand it's partially my moms fault but a little bit of common sense could have been used. The stove is a total loss and it's my understanding that he wants to pay only $250, have us return his deposit, and return some of the money from first months rent. To me that's absurd.Android user suffering from iPhone withdraw.
01-12-2010, 04:15 PM #17
Sorry to hijack but while were here I'm not totally innocent one time I hid £2000 cash in a microwave it was a deposit on a car next day, so I thought if someone broke into my house the last place they would look is there, my ex put pastie in there and turned it on and the envelope was on fire and burnt all the corners of the outside notes imagine if she did it for 20 secs longer....aerosol is still taking the p**s tho loooooool. Mmi is bringing back memories 2nite
01-14-2010, 02:52 PM #18
You go to court, try sue this guy for destroying your kitchen. You know what happens? His lawyer only needs to say one sentence for your case to get laughed back to Venezuala
"She used the oven to store aerosols"
Seriously. You've lost touch with reality if you're still keeping up this façade. It's pretty hard to provide constructive criticism, when the most appropriate thing to say is 'stop being stoopid'To live, you have to lie
01-14-2010, 05:06 PM #19
I store cans of "Anti Dumb S**T" in my oven. So wen it gets hot and explodes I suddenly realize I've been an idiot then I go to my freezer and get my cans of un-fu**erupper to repair the damage!
01-14-2010, 06:06 PM #20
Excellent stuff SE!!!