[jealous soul]

Originally Posted by smirkis

jealous soul, how many speaches have you sat thru to be this much under his spell of garbage.

travel across country regularly to sit thru his speaches? the man can talk, big deal. he knows what to say, to a country falling so hard, they'd believe anything. "change", him becoming president, would seriously big the biggest change in US history, and prolly the only thing he could change, if he became president.

I've never been to one of his public speeches, and I have only read transcripts of them. Smirkis, who do you support, and why?

[ALL DAY]

My problem with McCain is that he can't stand firm on a policy, and he can't offer solid ideas to move the country forward. He was ready to desert the republicans just a few years ago to become Kerry's running mate. How quickly things like this are forgotten...He hardly seems like a candidate that can diplomatically deal with the world's and our nation's current problems with wars, economic polices, and social policies."

Agreed. But I digress.

Of course he's going to downplay his connections to Islam in his own book... I just have feelings about that kind of thing, as do many other Americans. I've heard many discussions of his Muslim ties, and it's just not something some people feel comfortable with. There is a lot of debate as to his relations with Muslims as well as his own beliefs, which is why we are having this discussion right now.

Am I a flaming racist, such as the kid with 9 posts accused me of? No, come on now.
Do I want to know the full story, which we may never know? Of course.

In conclusion, I'm sorry for any feathers I may have ruffled in this discussion. Hopefully no one takes it personally.

[jealous soul]

I usually come off as a jackass so I apologize. I get really miffed when I hear the rumors of Obama being a "secret Black Panther" in disguise or an "agent for the nation of Islam." These rumors start from people that are scared of anything that they aren't used to. Of course he will "downplay" these things in his book, but honestly, these claims are getting ridiculous. If we're going to scrutinize Obama for being associated with Muslims, then McCain can't get a free pass for SEEKING OUT the endorsement of a fundamentalist pastor who spews more hate for America than I have ever heard in recent years.

[G-hop1]

Isn't that what he would be wanting to do, as a "muslim". To deceive us and tell us that he is not a "muslim'. That way we would listen to him and fall for it ? That would mean that he would just need you to believe his lies ! Just because it is written somewhere that he was not and is not a "muslim" doesnt make it true ! Only he (Barack Obama) would know the truth !

[JedixJarf]

I think that no matter who is running the country, (obama, clinton, mccain) its going to be bad. They are all terrible. We didn't really get any good candidates to choose from.

[ALL DAY]

(At Jealous) ^For realz. Which is why I'm not a huge McCain fan either...

It's just that there seems to be no real evidence from Obama's past as to whether he was a Muslim or practiced Islam or was a raised Christian or what not, and there are conflicting reports from everywhere, including all the biased trashy news. (That goes both ways).

I feel that there may be more of a connection to Islam than he allows people to know about, which, as previously stated, does not make him a terrorist, it's just somewhat sketchy. I simply want to know the whole story and have him either admit his connections or be completely cleared so the topic can be uncovered.

EDIT: Jedi- We had Romney, but he had to drop out. Clinton's out, by the way. If she gets Obama's VP slot, I don't know what will happen... But yeah, I agree.

[jealous soul]

The thing that bothers me is that most people are scared of him because of his name. Give me a break.

[smirkis]

Originally Posted by JedixJarf

I think that no matter who is running the country, (obama, clinton, mccain) its going to be bad. They are all terrible. We didn't really get any good candidates to choose from.

this is what i support...

why? because i feel the same way he does about whos running for president. could i do better? of course not. but jus cuz there running for president, does not mean i needa support them or what they wanna do for us as a country

ron paul baby lol, but i have my reasons

[Happy Noodle Boy]

Obama's muslin "connection" are no different to anyone else who is open to other religions. You're honestly telling me that having such a close knowledge of another religion ISN'T an advantage when dealing with the middle east and other muslin countries? Because I think it's a damn clear advantage over McCain.

2nd, you can't give him flak for whatever "muslin" crap then at the same time give him crap for the whole Wright/church scandal. I mean, this guy has been attacked from every possible angle (even angles that contradict each other) and he's come out on top. He's not a great speaker. He's an incredible speaker. People saying that's all he's good for don't seem to really care much for politics.

Finally, I think everyone needs to understand this: To me, a candidate isn't much more than a vessel for your belief and choices. I've researched on what I want / don't want in this country, the issues that run a campaign (gun control, pro-choice/life, iraq, economy, gas) and chose my candidate based on THAT. I don't choose who to vote for because of the color of one's skin, their religion, or ability to speak. I choose because I want that person to represent and fight for what I want of America.

A lot of people (Clinton supporters) are angry at the turnout of the convention and it baffles me listening to some say that will vote for McCain in November. Are you people serious? He's the entire polar opposite of Hillary! That's the one thing I liked about the democratic primary, both candidates were so similar in issues I could honestly understand how close the race was.

But seriously, regardless of all the crap you read on e-mails, news, take your time to research on the issues and the future of this country before making a choice. Because in the end, the future of this countries is based on that choice, it's your right and privilege to have a say where we all go, so make sure that when you choose, you know what you choose. So don't let anyone else make the choice for you.

[MooneyFWD]

^ Amen. I hate that, and all the muslim crap. I mean c'mon, all this conspiracy theory garbage just makes Americans look like slack jawed yokels. I'm not a Obama supporter, but gimme a break.

"Operation Chaos" did make me laugh though.

Out of the two left, McCain is obviously more qualified. Obama is just too idealistic. It seems as if he has no grip on reality. It's pretty bad when a Clinton is considered more moderate than you.

[Happy Noodle Boy]

Originally Posted by MooneyFWD

Out of the two left, McCain is obviously more qualified. Obama is just too idealistic. It seems as if he has no grip on reality. It's pretty bad when a Clinton is considered more moderate than you.

I do agree with you with McCain being more qualified. I mean, his record speaks for himself, being a POW and all, the guy has literally fought for his country. However, I can't get behind his party. It's just too old-school politics and I do think people need change from that. Is it too idealistic? Perhaps, but I think any change at this point is better than more of the same.

I know this is a stupid example but take the Republican National Committee page. There is not a single link to anything related to McCain. In fact, had I not followed politics, I would have no idea who they support! The page is a 100% attack to Obama. Hell, it has more "Obama" content than the DNC!

I really think that McCain needs to change gear when dealing with Obama or he's going to down real bad.

[Nicholas Knight]

what the iraq war. this war should have been fought long ago and I agree with a lot of his decisions. But it will be a cold day in hell b4 i vote for a democrat. I agree with nothing they stand for. Everything they do goes against my strongest beliefs

[br8thw8]

Originally Posted by bunnywhi7e

Do we need another Bush running this country. The answer is no. The guy can't even give a good speech for crying out loud.

Uh, McCain is definitely not another Bush - he was probably the most liberal candidate of all the Republicans that were running!

[solarseed]

whats wrong with having muslim connections?

is ther esomethign wrong with being muslim? i have never seen a muslim do anything wrong. there are extremists , just like there are in christianity , judaism , animal rights activists, atheists. i mean come on people.. stop generalizing entire groups of people by the actions of Very few.. Islam is approaching to be the worlds largest religion, it is definataley the fastest growing one

and with that aside. obama is not muslim. His speeches have great charismatic authority and he is very good at being charismatic.

i think he has some very good characteristics about him. he is young, full of audacity, i think he wants change in this country which in my opinion is very very bad. i know some of you may say shut up your in the best country, but seriously no , we are not.

our country is full of ****, garbage slime politics and one of the worst socially stratified systems out there. our gap between rich and poor is huge. and we get blinded by our illusive middle class.

i think many of you who make such comments need to really check up on your history (especially those of you who talk about our founding principles) our founding fathers were drunk socially ambiguous individuals. many of them not all , were not great men. in fact our country which any think was founded on religious tolerance and social tolerance was in fact only tolerant of those religoins and social classes which they deemed to be the right ones.

i think this country needs a major clean up. it needs educated citizens. non rascist and free thinking individuals.

please dont ever beleive every thing you read. especially if it comes in the form of an email attachment telling you barack obama is a secret terrorist. do your research, the internet is a beautiful thing you can read hundreds of counter arguments and you can make your own damn mind up. and i beleive thats what we need to change our society . research, educated individuals who know what hey are talking about , and the number one thing we need to do in this country if anything is to release our dependance on oil, coal and capitalism.

please please please dont stop reading and researching and beleiving in things that you cant see.

Daniel

[gibbs0828]

Let me ask you this about Obama, OK?

Reverend Wright has been Obama's trusted friend, pastor, and even mentor as Obama States in his book Audacity of Hope. This 'mentor' of Barack's is a major supporter/friend of Louis Farrakhan, an Anti-American, Jew Hating, *** Hating, awful human being. Additionally, this pastor of Obama claims that the US Gov't planned the attacks of 9/11 as a conspiracy, and that the Gov't also created AIDS to exterminate the Black Race. Obama has been attending this church every Sunday for the past 20 years. When this was brought into the light, Obama claimed that he has never heard any of it before... Oprah left the church 10 years ago (when Obama was still there) because she could not take it. And then, all of a sudden, when it's hurting his campaign he disassociates himself with his friend and mentor of 20+ years? I mean c'mon... Really?

And then Obama's wife said recently that shes never been proud as an American, until now.

How can you vote for a guy like that? A very little voting record, as well as experience.

McCain isn't great either-- no stem cell research, would appoint ultra conservative Supreme Court judges, poor Iraq policies (I think),etc.

In my mind the winner is the less of the greater evils so to speak.