[muddcat]

Do anybody no when it's gone be released for the iPhone 3g

[Eurisko]

It breaks the terms of the SDK so I don't think you're going to see it. Reason behind it is Apple doesn't want the liability. Say you're using TomTom on the iPhone, and it tells you drive left (into a brick wall) or right (into the river). Whose liable for damages? TomTom or Apple? As far as the customers concerned, its Apple's GPS, its Apple's fault. They don't need the headache.

[wesbar]

How come they'r adding turn by turn directions to firmware 2.1 then? There will be dedicated sat nav on the iphne either from TomTom or Garmin etc..

[Eurisko]

Because that software will be by Apple, therefore Apple will be the only liable party. And they'll make damn sure there's no errors.

[idolpunk]

Short answer, no one knows when TomTom, Navizon or any other Map Routing Software is going to come out. And if someone does know, they aren't telling

[hawpunch]

Originally Posted by Eurisko

It breaks the terms of the SDK so I don't think you're going to see it. Reason behind it is Apple doesn't want the liability. Say you're using TomTom on the iPhone, and it tells you drive left (into a brick wall) or right (into the river). Whose liable for damages? TomTom or Apple? As far as the customers concerned, its Apple's GPS, its Apple's fault. They don't need the headache.

no disrespect to the moderator, but i think you have other issues which require corecting if you end up running into a wall or river just because a gps told you to do it. i don't see this as a liability issue on the part of apple, but apple making piecemeal improvements to the iphone in order to promote stability of the core firmware. although as of late, the firmware has been sort of buggy when it comes to the appstore. hopefully they fix this in 2.1 and add some features like cut and paste, the ability to have apps running while the screen is off, and a2dp bluetooth headset support.

[cpjr]

^^Its also part of an infringement of rights with Google for the use of GoogleMaps on the iphone with "partial" GPS capabilities.

[JazJon]

All these rules sure hamper faster innovation of new apps that can fully utilize the iphone. (some of which never even make it past apple for release) I guess this keeps our iphones sailing smoothly, and other partnerships happy, but not as much fun for us in the end. I have to say, I really like having a stable phone though compared to my old windows mobile days. I'm not sure which way I lean. Good thing we can jailbreak for some apps, but I doubt we would see a full turn by turn GPS program via Cydia. :-/

[InspectorGadget171175]

I sure hope something is released. The inbuilt GPS was the main reason I upgraded to the iPhone 3G.

Google Maps with GPS is complete s**te while driving as it constantly has to download it's map, and when not in a 3G area, it's just not quick enough.

What's the point of putting in GPS if it's not used to it's full potential. OK, finding a nearby coffee bar is all well and good, but most people want built-in GPS for Sat nav purposes, well I do anyway

All other devices with in-built GPS offer the ability for Sat Nav software, why doesn't Apple?

The legal implications regarding driving into a wall etc are covered by TomTom already with a "Legal Terms" window displayed when it loads on other devices, so that can't be the real reason.

Perhaps some of the glitches TomTom have run into with their "almost ready" version is the fact it can't run in the background, or doesn't have the ability to switch between Apps, such as replying to a text or making a call while it's running. Not that I condone making phone calls while driving mind you, especially with the iphone where it's more difficult.

[pj_rage]

Originally Posted by Eurisko

It breaks the terms of the SDK so I don't think you're going to see it. Reason behind it is Apple doesn't want the liability. Say you're using TomTom on the iPhone, and it tells you drive left (into a brick wall) or right (into the river). Whose liable for damages? TomTom or Apple? As far as the customers concerned, its Apple's GPS, its Apple's fault. They don't need the headache.

So if my magellan roadmate directs me into a wall, I may proceed to hit said wall and then I can sue magellan? LOL! I'm sure THAT would stand up in court

[Eurisko]

Originally Posted by hawpunch

no disrespect to the moderator, but i think you have other issues which require corecting if you end up running into a wall or river just because a gps told you to do it.

Obviously you don't know how stupid the majority of the populous really is. Sure my examples were extreme to pint out liability, but many people do exactly as they are told.

Additionally, as InspectorGadget pointed out, yes TomTom shows a disclaimer, but that is on TomTom's own hardware, not a 3rd parties. And one last note, for true and precise mapping, the maps would need to be on the phone itself, and TomTom's North American map for example is 1.2 GB. Members of this forum aside, how many people would be willing to use up that much space on their phone for 1 program.

Originally Posted by pj_rage

So if my magellan roadmate directs me into a wall, I may proceed to hit said wall and then I can sue magellan? LOL! I'm sure THAT would stand up in court

In the US, it definitely would. Google the case of the woman who bought an RV. She was driving one day, then decided to get up and make some breakfast, but made sure to put the cruise control on first. When the RV went off the road and got totaled, she sued the company stating that the manual never said she couldn't leave the drivers seat while the RV was in motion. And she won.

Now every RV manual specifically states these guidelines in the drivers manual. Think I'm joking? You'd be surprised.

[marys25]

Originally Posted by Eurisko

In the US, it definitely would. Google the case of the woman who bought an RV. She was driving one day, then decided to get up and make some breakfast, but made sure to put the cruise control on first. When the RV went off the road and got totaled, she sued the company stating that the manual never said she couldn't leave the drivers seat while the RV was in motion. And she won.

Now every RV manual specifically states these guidelines in the drivers manual. Think I'm joking? You'd be surprised.

are you serious?? LMAO!! thats like the guy that wanted to sue McDonalds, Burger King and Taco bell for getting him fat

EDIT: that claim above is false...there has never been a sue for an RV http://www.snopes.com/autos/techno/cruise.asp Snopes has confirmed it. they are all Urban Legends

[wesbar]

Originally Posted by Eurisko

Obviously you don't know how stupid the majority of the populous really is. Sure my examples were extreme to pint out liability, but many people do exactly as they are told.

Additionally, as InspectorGadget pointed out, yes TomTom shows a disclaimer, but that is on TomTom's own hardware, not a 3rd parties. And one last note, for true and precise mapping, the maps would need to be on the phone itself, and TomTom's North American map for example is 1.2 GB. Members of this forum aside, how many people would be willing to use up that much space on their phone for 1 program.



In the US, it definitely would. Google the case of the woman who bought an RV. She was driving one day, then decided to get up and make some breakfast, but made sure to put the cruise control on first. When the RV went off the road and got totaled, she sued the company stating that the manual never said she couldn't leave the drivers seat while the RV was in motion. And she won.

Now every RV manual specifically states these guidelines in the drivers manual. Think I'm joking? You'd be surprised.

TomTom, Garmin, Route 66 and many other sat nav software programs run on other peoples hardware like Series 60 smartphones and Windows Mobile handsets. On my Nokia N95 i had both Garmin Mobile XT and TomTom 6 installed and running without any problems and i never crashed into a wall or thought my car would magically drive itself.

There will always be idiots in this world but the case of the woman in the RV really just makes a mockery of the American justice system. That would have have been laughed at and thrown out of court in the UK. If Apple truly wants to compete with the likes of Nokia, this is a MUST. They either need to provide a solution themselves or allow these apps on the appstore.

[CaptainChaos]

All GPS manufacturers have a warning in them. I have one from Garmin. They have been in the business forever and haven't perfected their software so there is no way in hell Apple will achieve it. I love Apple, but let's face it. They have their hands in too many pots to be able to perfect GPS navigation.

[thomaslotito]

i might be alittle of topic here, but i switch to the iphone from a verizon lg env and i LOVED the navi on my env. it worked everytime and was faster then ever! i never got lost when i was using it on a 100 doller phone. my question is, and im sure there a good reason for it, why cant the iphone use the same simple technology as other service carriers use? doesnt it make sense that it is the most popular phone on the market that to have a reliable turn by turn gps system ??