[DoerrFan]

Against SDK rules won't get in. Period.

[santiagodraco]

Originally Posted by Eurisko

Obviously you don't know how stupid the majority of the populous really is. Sure my examples were extreme to pint out liability, but many people do exactly as they are told.

Additionally, as InspectorGadget pointed out, yes TomTom shows a disclaimer, but that is on TomTom's own hardware, not a 3rd parties. And one last note, for true and precise mapping, the maps would need to be on the phone itself, and TomTom's North American map for example is 1.2 GB. Members of this forum aside, how many people would be willing to use up that much space on their phone for 1 program.



In the US, it definitely would. Google the case of the woman who bought an RV. She was driving one day, then decided to get up and make some breakfast, but made sure to put the cruise control on first. When the RV went off the road and got totaled, she sued the company stating that the manual never said she couldn't leave the drivers seat while the RV was in motion. And she won.

Now every RV manual specifically states these guidelines in the drivers manual. Think I'm joking? You'd be surprised.

Don't believe everything you read on the internet. I have yet to see a case number for the mythical "cruise control" lawsuit anywhere, it's urban myth until proven otherwise.

You might use the McDonalds hot coffee lawsuit, but guess what that's real, and MC was serving coffee above a safe temperature.

As for Apple not implimenting navigation due to "liability risk" if someone turns into a building, that's simply rediculous, no offense. Most likely the reasons are most likely due to something like (and this are assumptions like everything else here):

1. The phone's GPS implementation is not yet ready for prime time (hence the rumors around the 2.1 gps update providing a proper gps data feed.
2. GPS apps are simply not ready for prime time. These things do take some time to produce.
3. The charger "inadequacy" issue is real and running the phone as a full time navigation system is not feasible as the phone will run out of power even if plugged in.

As for the "against SDK rules" arguments, care to elaborate? I don't see anything in the rules that rule out GPS navigation. Now if you had said that the current SDK doesn't support the features to properly support turn by turn navigation, that might make sense.

[wesbar]

The other thing thing is that the google maps mobile software (inc iphone) use the telenav maps which are owned by TomTom. So it does make sense that when satnav software arrives it will be from TomTom and no one else. The only other maps are the Navteq ones which are now owned by Nokia and theres no way they will allow their maps to power anything other than Nokia smartphones.
So we will not see turn by turn from Google. It will either come from Telenav's own solution which streams the maps to you like Google Maps or it will be TomTom where you preload the maps. I hope its the latter but i've got a feeling it will be the former as it will be less of a headache for Apple to implement in the appstore. ie. all programs are the same no matter what region and there's no massive maps to download.

[dale1v]

There have been cases with GPS where trucks and buses get directed into a road that is too narrow, and they end up getting stuck.

[wesbar]

Originally Posted by dale1v

There have been cases with GPS where trucks and buses get directed into a road that is too narrow, and they end up getting stuck.

Trucks and buses shouldn't be using standard sat nav. Period. They have special maps (and i think specialized GPS software) for Trucks and buses that highlight narrow roads etc.

[CaptainChaos]

Originally Posted by wesbar

The other thing thing is that the google maps mobile software (inc iphone) use the telenav maps which are owned by TomTom. So it does make sense that when satnav software arrives it will be from TomTom and no one else. The only other maps are the Navteq ones which are now owned by Nokia and theres no way they will allow their maps to power anything other than Nokia smartphones.
So we will not see turn by turn from Google. It will either come from Telenav's own solution which streams the maps to you like Google Maps or it will be TomTom where you preload the maps. I hope its the latter but i've got a feeling it will be the former as it will be less of a headache for Apple to implement in the appstore. ie. all programs are the same no matter what region and there's no massive maps to download.

I think Telnav has exclusive rights with AT&T for the software.

[Eurisko]

Originally Posted by santiagodraco

Don't believe everything you read on the internet. I have yet to see a case number for the mythical "cruise control" lawsuit anywhere, it's urban myth until proven otherwise.

You might use the McDonalds hot coffee lawsuit, but guess what that's real, and MC was serving coffee above a safe temperature.

As for Apple not implimenting navigation due to "liability risk" if someone turns into a building, that's simply rediculous, no offense. Most likely the reasons are most likely due to something like (and this are assumptions like everything else here):

1. The phone's GPS implementation is not yet ready for prime time (hence the rumors around the 2.1 gps update providing a proper gps data feed.
2. GPS apps are simply not ready for prime time. These things do take some time to produce.
3. The charger "inadequacy" issue is real and running the phone as a full time navigation system is not feasible as the phone will run out of power even if plugged in.

As for the "against SDK rules" arguments, care to elaborate? I don't see anything in the rules that rule out GPS navigation. Now if you had said that the current SDK doesn't support the features to properly support turn by turn navigation, that might make sense.

Ha, my my you certainly have an axe to grind don't you. Tell you what, why not provide me with the case number of that hot coffee law suit. Until you do, don't talk to me about urban myths.

And I'm not sure, but maybe you haven't been in school long enough to learn the difference between literal and figurative descriptions. I guess I need to repeat, I used extreme "figurative" descriptions to get the point of liability across. If you still don't get it, you can contact Apple or read the Terms of the SDK. And let's be clear on one thing, its not what "I" said, its what Apple stipulated.

Thanks for coming out.

EDIT: In case you're unable to locate the information and did ask for elaboration. Article 8 of the SDK states: Location data provided by any Service is for basic navigational purposes only, and is not intended to be relied upon in situations where precise location information is needed or where erroneous, inaccurate or incomplete location data may lead to death, personal injury, personal or environmental damage.

Now you tell me, does TomTom meet or not meet this requirement?

[CaptainChaos]

"Apple's iPod and iPhone marketing head Greg Joswiak recently sat down with AppScout to clear up some of the confusion. Greg says that Apple has an internal priority list of features for the iPhone, and that the company went as far down the list with the 3G as it could -- and that copy / paste support simply didn't make the cut. Similarly, there are no technical issues preventing turn-by-turn directions, just other "complicated issues" (read: legal agreements) that need to be sorted out, and Josiwak expects developers to "amaze us." as things "evolve."

It will happen. As soon as everyone feels like they are in a comfortable enough position to be able to point fingers when things go wrong.

[reeko]

Originally Posted by wesbar

The other thing thing is that the google maps mobile software (inc iphone) use the telenav maps which are owned by TomTom. So it does make sense that when satnav software arrives it will be from TomTom and no one else. The only other maps are the Navteq ones which are now owned by Nokia and theres no way they will allow their maps to power anything other than Nokia smartphones.

and there i was thinking that my nokia n95 8gb nokia maps was being fed from google? how stupid of me.

[MiltyKiss]

Originally Posted by Eurisko

Ha, my my you certainly have an axe to grind don't you. Tell you what, why not provide me with the case number of that hot coffee law suit. Until you do, don't talk to me about urban myths

That hot coffee law suit is actually a very famous one (it's normally brought up to prove how dumb some people/laws are). The following link has all the information regarding it:
Liebeck v. McDonald's Restaurants - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As for the subject, the current SDK ToS does not allow Turn-by-Turn directions, and until anything is confirmed everything is a rumor (there are rumors of companies working closely with Apple on making Turn-by-Turn Nav applications).

[Edit: Also, amusingly enough, there have been reports of people following their GPS a little too closely]

[Eurisko]

Originally Posted by MiltyKiss

That hot coffee law suit is actually a very famous one (it's normally brought up to prove how dumb some people/laws are). The following link has all the information regarding it:
Liebeck v. McDonald's Restaurants - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sorry, not good enough. People here seem to want case numbers to provide legitimacy of their claims, so either provide the case number or keep quiet.

[idolpunk]

rv urban myth

Legal Urban Legends Hold Sway–Tort Reform « Law Offices Of Guy W. Murray

[Eurisko]

Interesting article. Where's the case number?

[marys25]

its an urban legend too...snopes.com: Cruise Control as Auto Pilot

Snopes.com is the best place to find out if something is real or fake....like the hundreds of emails your friends and family send you about outrageous events.

[Eurisko]

That's the trouble with the wondrous internet. For every site that says something is black, another says its white. But we're getting way off topic here.