[taniban@hotmail.com]

Originally Posted by harryding

There will always be people that don't necessarily want to pay a certain amount for an app, but those same people would not buy the app in the first place so by pirating it do you really think that is taking revenue away from the developer. You cannot take away what is not there. I have paid for apps from installer and downloaded the free ones as well. Its not like I wont pay, but when the prices are outrageous or people are being charged for things that used to be free, people will find a way to get it back to the way it was. There would be no need to pirate if prices were up to a level consumers like. Like with itunes, there is a large amount of people buying music, there is a large amount of people downloading free music, but that does not change the fact that artists are still making their money.

It means that they are not making as much money as they should be. Yes the developer still makes a profit, but you are 'stealing' some of his profits. If there wasn't a free alternative one would be forced to buy the app.

[Iman07]

ya i knew this was gonna happen and i am glad it will be available soon. cant wait.

[Rosbaughcr]

Regardless of whether you feel the prices in the AppStore are fail or not, those are the prices. You don't go into your local grocery store, decide bananas cost too much, and walk out with a bunch of them. Downloading a hacked version of an app is the same as walking into any brick and mortar store and shoplifting. Not only would downloading this make you a criminal, but would also hurt the iPhone development community.

[taniban@hotmail.com]

Originally Posted by Rosbaughcr

Regardless of whether you feel the prices in the AppStore are fail or not, those are the prices. You don't go into your local grocery store, decide bananas cost too much, and walk out with a bunch of them. Downloading a hacked version of an app is the same as walking into any brick and mortar store and shoplifting. Not only would downloading this make you a criminal, but would also hurt the iPhone development community.

Prices are flexible, and changes with comsumer supply and demand and substitutes and other things. What hacking does maybe lower the price so its not an entirely bad thing. And again as I was saying in other posts it is stealing you are right, but the difference is, you dont get caught and people will keep on doing it becuase if this fact.

[Shambles0]

I would re jailbreak if this was possible I mean if there is already something to make it work why not take advantage of it... even though mmi does not support warez which is respectable I doubt they've paid for every song on their phones

[harryding]

Originally Posted by taniban@hotmail.com

It means that they are not making as much money as they should be. Yes the developer still makes a profit, but you are 'stealing' some of his profits. If there wasn't a free alternative one would be forced to buy the app.

Like I said before, if people are not willing to pay a price then they will not pay it. Like if I cannot afford an xbox 360 then I wont get it, but if it is free then I will. The only difference here is that the developer does not loose any money like microsoft would on parts and such.

Originally Posted by Rosbaughcr

Regardless of whether you feel the prices in the AppStore are fail or not, those are the prices. You don't go into your local grocery store, decide bananas cost too much, and walk out with a bunch of them. Downloading a hacked version of an app is the same as walking into any brick and mortar store and shoplifting. Not only would downloading this make you a criminal, but would also hurt the iPhone development community.

It is completely different, downloading a hacked app is like accepting a stolen banana, not stealing one yourself. I'm not the one cracking apps, doesn't mean I wont download a pre-cracked app. Doesn't make is necessarily legal, but if one can get away with it, it will happen.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

Ya gotta love the rationales for stealing!

[jazi]

hi all,

a few months back i bought an ipod touch for my wife from an authorised apple reseller MEDIACENTER here in Karachi, Pakistan. Now the problem that i am facing is that ITunes is not available in Pakistan (even though they are selling IPods over here) and i cannot get the January 2008 update nor can i use the appstore.

I read somewhere that apple doesn't give access to ITunes everywhere as copyrights laws are not stringent enough or aren't enforced properly in some countries which leads them to not offer ITunes and music downloads in all countries.

I disagree (as the music is mostly DRM protected and i don't have any choice to download legal music anymore) but gave them the benefit of the doubt. However, i fail to see why the appstore is not available to me. Whats the problem now? i can buy software all over the net but not from the appstore. is it fair. why can't i use my touch to its full potential.

i feel left out and not happy.

[Rosbaughcr]

Originally Posted by harryding

It is completely different, downloading a hacked app is like accepting a stolen banana, not stealing one yourself. I'm not the one cracking apps, doesn't mean I wont download a pre-cracked app. Doesn't make is necessarily legal, but if one can get away with it, it will happen.

I think a better comparison would be a someone placing the banana conveniently by the exit, with a slightly obstructed view on of security camera. You're still making the conscious effort to take something you do not own, and what's worse is that you know it's the wrong thing to do.

[dmighty]

There is a percentage taken into account by manufactures when producing, analyzing cost, profits, etc...

That percentage, Amongst many, is determined based off of
Defective units produced against actually units produced.

That percentage is US and I assure you it is small

[pininfarina]

you want a rationale for stealing? How about all the stolen labor hours from companies such as apple and microsoft walmart etc. You know how one guy makes 40 billion, while the people who help him make the money, still cant afford health insurance, much less afford to purchase the same products they sell. How about the fact that they sell you an iphone last year, when they know damn well know they will sell you a new one a year later, and yet another one next year. Why is it you buy an operating system, and one year later, they come out with a new one , and all new products work only on the new OS so you must upgrade for a fee?? Who is cheating who here? Maybe the developers get somewhat screwed in the end, but they should be getting PAID handsomely by these billion dollar corps who couldnt spend their profits in a lifetime.

but i do agree that the developers arent really getting screwed. Fact is, i wouldnt have purchased any of the apps i had on my 1.1.4. and if they were not available to me free, i probably wouldnt have purchased an iphone in the first place. Hell, i can just as easily use a laptop with an aircard for a portable phone.

[taniban@hotmail.com]

Originally Posted by harryding

Like I said before, if people are not willing to pay a price then they will not pay it. Like if I cannot afford an xbox 360 then I wont get it, but if it is free then I will. The only difference here is that the developer does not loose any money like microsoft would on parts and such.

Thats just completely wrong I feel, what if the app was sold at a reasonable price? Like your Xbox360 example, they set a price which is too expensive for you so you will not buy it. What happens if they lowered the price so you can afford it? Are you saying you will not buy the Xbox360 eventhough you can afford it, you want it and it's at a reasonable price. I understand where you are coming from but the argument is limited if you are talking about a good app.

[Chase817]

I knew this was coming

why don't people just help out the dev??

[harryding]

Originally Posted by Napoleon_PhoneApart

Ya gotta love the rationales for stealing!

Ok, mr. high and mighty.

Originally Posted by taniban@hotmail.com

Thats just completely wrong I feel, what if the app was sold at a reasonable price? Like your Xbox360 example, they set a price which is too expensive for you so you will not buy it. What happens if they lowered the price so you can afford it? Are you saying you will not buy the Xbox360 eventhough you can afford it, you want it and it's at a reasonable price. I understand where you are coming from but the argument is limited if you are talking about a good app.

If the price was lowered to something I can afford, then yes I would pay. Like I said, I have donated/paid for apps so I have no problem paying a fair price for something I would use. However, in the app store lots of prices are unreasonable for certain apps, and those are the ones that will probably be targeted and cracked.

Originally Posted by Chase817

I knew this was coming

why don't people just help out the dev??

Who says people wont? It's just that when you charge such a high price for things people tend to care less about how the price is determined and more about how they can get it cheaper. If they just lowered the price, I'm sure you would see tons more people willing to "help out" the developers.

[Happy Noodle Boy]

Originally Posted by harryding

Who says people wont? It's just that when you charge such a high price for things people tend to care less about how the price is determined and more about how they can get it cheaper. If they just lowered the price, I'm sure you would see tons more people willing to "help out" the developers.

The AppStore has literally been open for less than a week. Give it a couple of weeks or maybe a month for some concrete record sales to form so companies can go "well, looks like our app isn't selling because people buy the cheaper one instead, how can we compete?"