[cscho0415]

zod... this guy has a good point... based on what u told me last night this makes it kinda possible... or at least disproves your rule of thumb... So maybe your friend would be able to do it... i do know it will take along time but come on...

[zodttd]

Exophase and I went over virtualization with you. Exophase mentioned virtualization may be possible using some of the features of the ARM11 on the iPhone. I believe he threw out the TrustedZone feature when talking about it. But the point is:
- a WinMo PocketPC generally runs faster than an iPhone. Even with 1:1 instructions, clock for clock the iPhone loses when at 412MHz compared to a 612MHz Axim.
- Virtualization, whether possible or not due to technical reasons, requires very low level hardware access that just currently isnt available on the iPhone when running it's current Mac OS X OS. I just barely was able to be able to clear the instruction cache for my emulators, and thats with a syscall! Oww!

I agree that virtualization would be your best bet at performance, but good luck trying to get that on top of Mac OS X. If you can, that will definitely be amazing to see. I just dont see it happening, nor do I see the end result being pleasant for running WinMo games and apps.

You'll be stuck with an iPhone that runs too slow even at it's theoretical fastest, be limited by how you can emulate things by the Mac OS X running behind the scenes, have to distibute a OS ROM copywrited by Microsoft, and still be left short of buttons.

If iPhone Linux is having a hard time... that project is easier than what you propose. If iPhone Linux was up and running, I'd have a bit more hope for this project.

[flattop95]

why you would want to put windows on the iphone, that ruins the whole point of having mobile osx, which is amazing

[GnatGoSplat]

Originally Posted by flattop95

why you would want to put windows on the iphone, that ruins the whole point of having mobile osx, which is amazing

Who says you have to give up Mobile OS X? If a WM6 emulator/VM were possible, all you'd have to do is press MENU and there you have your Mobile OS X. This would just let you touch an icon and play with WM6 much like Parallels or VMWare Fusion lets you play with XP/Vista without leaving Mac OS X.

zodttd, you keep mentioning the Axim, but the Axim is in the upper echelon of PocketPCs. I don't consider it a reasonable performance reference. Of all the WM6 devices out there, the Axim is probably not even 1/10th of 1%. The vast majority are 200MHz and the higher performance devices are 400MHz. HTC makes over 50% of all smartphones and almost none of the current models are over 400MHz.

A few of the most popular WM6 phones:
HTC Herald (TMO Wing) - TI OMAP850 200MHz
HTC Wizard (TMO MDA, Cingular 8125) - TI OMAP850 200MHz
HTC Titan (Sprint Mogul/PPC6800) - MSM7500 400MHz
HTC Vogue (Sprint Touch/PPC6900) - MSM7500 400MHz
HTC Kaiser (AT&T Tilt) - MSM7200 400MHz

PPC devices > 400MHz are very few and far between.

[flattop95]

why you would want to put windows on the iphone, that ruins the whole point of having mobile osx, which is amazing

[cscho0415]

gnat... it will be hard to convince zod that he should take this project... if you would like ask to talk to him on irc.... but he didn make me think that this isnt gona happen so idk... i would love if it did but it just doesnt seem like it

[stunna2095]

windows mobile would be awesome on the iphone....its like having the best of both worlds. like me for example i have 3 programsi need for school but they are only compatible with windows mobile

[GnatGoSplat]

Yeah, just this afternoon I was reading about the CPU in the iPhone. Apparently the TrustZone technology in it is supposed to assist in full virtualization. I just wish I had enough time and intelligence to take on such a project!

[HylianHeroX]

Isn't it usually the other way around?
Not a bad idea though.

[cscho0415]

unfortunatley zod said know and he is the only one who i know of who could actually have the resources to do this program... when i have some spare time i will look for another team... till then please look your selfs... but i am sorry to say that i dont know how far this project is going

[hot sause]

it would be great!!

[ps3king1]

honestly i think that for like ipod touchs it would be pretty cool to have the Zune HD firmware... if anyone can do it pm thanks (i would be the first to try it i got money to replace my ipod 2nd gen to a new 3g 64gb... but im waiting tell something happens