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  • Samsung Claims Their Multitouch Software is Sub Par to Avoid Dutch Galaxy Ban


    In what seems to be a rather bizarre event, Samsung recently told the court in Netherlands that their multitouch software is terrible in comparison to that of Apple’s. This was done in a desperate attempt to avoid having their products banned from the Netherlands, a move that would definitely hurt the South Korean electronics manufacturer.

    Apple in the Court of the Hague said that Samsung should be banned from selling Galaxy devices in the Netherlands because the South Korean electronics company has infringed on their “touch event model” patent. This particular patent describes technology that prevents smartphone users from making erroneous touches at the same time. Samsung lawyer, Bas Berghuis van Woortman argued “while Apple’s technology is a “very nice invention,” the technique used in Android differs from the iOS solution. Because the Android based method is more hierarchical the system is more complex and therefore harder for developers to use.”

    In order for Apple to win the case, the Cupertino California company argued that Samsung’s touch event model is totally almost as good as theirs, with Apple lawyer, Theo Blomme telling the judge the following:

    They suggest that they have a lesser solution, but that is simply not true. The technique used in Android does solve a multiple input “conflict situation” and in that way the Android software essentially does the same as Apple’s.
    At the end of it all, the court ended up seeing Samsung continually claiming their multitouch is terrible all while Apple continued to praise how awesome Samsung’s multitouch is, just to turn around and slam them with the ban. The thought of Samsung talking their product down while Apple talking it up is definitely something we don’t see too often.

    Source: PC World
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Samsung Claims Their Multitouch Software is Sub Par to Avoid Dutch Galaxy Ban started by Akshay Masand View original post
    Comments 88 Comments
    1. Dysprosia's Avatar
      Dysprosia -
      Quote Originally Posted by hitman10 View Post
      Then go to an android site. Because no one cares.
      Ya why is this guy *mod edit: language edit* on here then!
    1. MetallicaFan1991's Avatar
      MetallicaFan1991 -
      Quote Originally Posted by loso86 View Post
      I do love my iphone, but apple fanbitches make me sick, you guys are just... now words for it. Just drop dead.
      Then get of an..........wait for it................................................ ......... Apple forum!

      Just to clarify this is a Apple oriented forum NOT any other product/manufacturer.
    1. Slimz's Avatar
      Slimz -
      Quote Originally Posted by drigo1178 View Post
      heres the truth. Android sucks.

      From a person that has an sIII as my main phone, an ip4 as my backup, and a blackberry 9900 as my work phone.

      Android sucks. stock vs stock, because this is the only way to evenly compare devices and 90% of users will never root or JB their phone. IOS is much smoother, crashes less, apps costs less, i can go on.

      Are there things that i like about android? absolutely, not enough to tell anyone that I like it more than IOS.

      battery management on the SIII has improved a lot, other android phones, not so much. I have friends with SII's and other divices that walk around with battery back ups, and their devices are rooted!!! I never have issues with my ip4, although my siii comes closed, my BB just sucks with battery life.

      reason apple doesnt let you install any kind of app on their phone is due to stability and contractual purposes. IE i cant install PDAnet on either stock phone.


      again unless you are comparing these phones on a daily basis using them in real world situations like the other 90% of consumers who buy them, its just heresy and opinion.
      You can install PDAnet just fine on a stock Android phone. That's the entire point of it, so you didn't have to root.

      I use my Android phone in what you call "real world" situations every single day - I'll never go back to IOS in it's current state. Although I agree with you, Touchwiz is the biggest pile of **** ever made, rooting and ROMing is so simple, why wouldn't you do it? The raw AOSP experience of Android is by far and above better then anything Apple does - and that's what the majority of people don't see. Samsung has to put their own twist and turns on it, and they ruin it. That's what made the Galaxy Nexus so good - Google gave you the raw experience of AOSP, it's just too bad the device was a piece of junk - it lacked hardware. As for battery management, using an AOSP ROM you can undervolt, set governers, by far exceeding any battery life you'll find on any iOS device.

      Android far from sucks, and believe me, as someone who had many Android sets that i used for a week and returned because it wasn't iOS, the only way to go is AOSP.

      The simplicity of Apple is what it is. It's perfectly done. And really, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it - it's tasteful and pretty to look at. I mean, I get it. I really do, I'll never tell you the iPhone sucks, or iOS sucks, because it doesn't. But to say Android sucks, is simply ridiculous.
    1. Anonymous's Avatar
      Anonymous -
      Quote Originally Posted by feidhlim1986 View Post
      From responses I've gotten lately, this website is apparently only for those who only love Apple, everything Apple does is pure mana from heaven. Any negativity towards Apple is not tolerated and if you dare to like Samsung then you should die.

      When did this site turn from being a forum about tweaking and modding a cool device to one where many of it's users think it's only for a Pro-Apple / Screw-Anything-Else "discussions"?
      This website used to be such a nice place, back when we were all jailbreaking iPhones using tricky convoluted methods

      Now, this website seems to just spawn hate and angry fanboys. The Staff Writers aren't helping the situation either, as many "articles" are posted purely to fuel this hate or "articles" are written that are misleading, false, or written with the tone of a disgruntled pre-pubescent fanboy. If you post something about Samsung you're told to get off this site. Yet almost every day there's a new Staff "Article" about Samsung on this site. "Oh but it relates to Apple" - true, but so do countless other things that dont get front page space here. It's always the negative stories about Samsung. Why not post a story about how successful the Galaxy S III has been? Nah, that won't get clicks and tons of hateful comments.

      I want this site to become what it used to be again.
      Bravery level: So.
    1. drigo1178's Avatar
      drigo1178 -
      Quote Originally Posted by kyphur View Post


      I would just ask you why is the iPhone your backup then? This question is not looking to start an argument but rather to further the discussion.

      BTW, your whole post would be more meaningful if your opening statement was along the lines of "My opinion is iOS is better than Android OS based on my personal experience." I actually found the rest of your post to be rather well written and balanced but the first line just comes off as "Oh man here comes another Apple FanBoy".
      Ip4 is a backup due to the fact that i am on unlimited data with AT&T, i wanted to switch to a "4g" device before they mimicked VZW and forced grandfathered loyal customers to a tiered plan. I have honestly tried to look for a phone that I can say is better than the iphone and i have not been successful. My next trial will be ip5 vs wm8(nokia lumia) vs jellybean(sIII)

      True I could have started it that way, but it isn't as argumentative that way. I was merely matching the tone of the other discussions.
    1. Slimz's Avatar
      Slimz -
      Quote Originally Posted by drigo1178 View Post
      Ip4 is a backup due to the fact that i am on unlimited data with AT&T, i wanted to switch to a "4g" device before they mimicked VZW and forced grandfathered loyal customers to a tiered plan. I have honestly tried to look for a phone that I can say is better than the iphone and i have not been successful. My next trial will be ip5 vs wm8(nokia lumia) vs jellybean(sIII)

      True I could have started it that way, but it isn't as argumentative that way. I was merely matching the tone of the other discussions.
      I thought the Lumia won't get WM8 due to the resolution being locked.

      Get AOSP Jelly Bean, you'll love it.
    1. drigo1178's Avatar
      drigo1178 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Slimz View Post
      You can install PDAnet just fine on a stock Android phone. That's the entire point of it, so you didn't have to root.

      I use my Android phone in what you call "real world" situations every single day - I'll never go back to IOS in it's current state. Although I agree with you, Touchwiz is the biggest pile of **** ever made, rooting and ROMing is so simple, why wouldn't you do it? The raw AOSP experience of Android is by far and above better then anything Apple does - and that's what the majority of people don't see. Samsung has to put their own twist and turns on it, and they ruin it. That's what made the Galaxy Nexus so good - Google gave you the raw experience of AOSP, it's just too bad the device was a piece of junk - it lacked hardware. As for battery management, using an AOSP ROM you can undervolt, set governers, by far exceeding any battery life you'll find on any iOS device.

      Android far from sucks, and believe me, as someone who had many Android sets that i used for a week and returned because it wasn't iOS, the only way to go is AOSP.

      The simplicity of Apple is what it is. It's perfectly done. And really, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it - it's tasteful and pretty to look at. I mean, I get it. I really do, I'll never tell you the iPhone sucks, or iOS sucks, because it doesn't. But to say Android sucks, is simply ridiculous.

      OK you win, you can install PDA just fine, but cant use it(contractual reasons). Fail either way.

      I do not care to root or JB, again I'm placing myself in the average consumers shoes. So far you keep saying that Android is far better but dont have examples?

      The biggest failure of android is the same as windows. Too many devices. Apps are distorted and unscaled since they have to be adaptable to all platforms. How hard does that make it for devs to conform to?

      Ergonomics is also a big thing for me. A lot of people want bigger and better, I want practical. It is an absolute pain to go from the top of my siii screen to then have to click the back button or "home" button at the bottom ( I wear an XL batting glove).

      Samsungs OLED display on the SIII - supposed to be one of the best out there right? No where near on par with retina.

      I can then go into hardware efficiency, and tell you how amazing the hardware is on my SIII, blah blah blah. My two year old IP4 continues to be much smoother and more responsive on half the hardware of the SIII. Sure I can root the SIII to perform better, if thats what you are thinking then you missed the whole point. If people have to root a phone to get it to the same performance, then you fail to see which OS is better. Im comparing a two year old phone to a brand new "top of the line" phone.

      This is why in my tested opinion Android sucks.

      Quote Originally Posted by Slimz View Post
      I thought the Lumia won't get WM8 due to the resolution being locked.

      Get AOSP Jelly Bean, you'll love it.
      Lumia 920


      Nokia aims to dazzle with Windows Phone 8 Lumia 920 | Mobile - CNET News
    1. subywrex's Avatar
      subywrex -
      Quote Originally Posted by feidhlim1986 View Post
      From responses I've gotten lately, this website is apparently only for those who only love Apple, everything Apple does is pure mana from heaven. Any negativity towards Apple is not tolerated and if you dare to like Samsung then you should die.

      When did this site turn from being a forum about tweaking and modding a cool device to one where many of it's users think it's only for a Pro-Apple / Screw-Anything-Else "discussions"?
      This website used to be such a nice place, back when we were all jailbreaking iPhones using tricky convoluted methods

      Now, this website seems to just spawn hate and angry fanboys. The Staff Writers aren't helping the situation either, as many "articles" are posted purely to fuel this hate or "articles" are written that are misleading, false, or written with the tone of a disgruntled pre-pubescent fanboy. If you post something about Samsung you're told to get off this site. Yet almost every day there's a new Staff "Article" about Samsung on this site. "Oh but it relates to Apple" - true, but so do countless other things that dont get front page space here. It's always the negative stories about Samsung. Why not post a story about how successful the Galaxy S III has been? Nah, that won't get clicks and tons of hateful comments.

      I want this site to become what it used to be again.
      No one said other opinions are stupid, what bugs me is when people act surprised that most news is pro apple. I mean really its a site of fanboys/girls what else would one expect? Lol

      Quote Originally Posted by Slimz View Post
      You can install PDAnet just fine on a stock Android phone. That's the entire point of it, so you didn't have to root.

      I use my Android phone in what you call "real world" situations every single day - I'll never go back to IOS in it's current state. Although I agree with you, Touchwiz is the biggest pile of **** ever made, rooting and ROMing is so simple, why wouldn't you do it? The raw AOSP experience of Android is by far and above better then anything Apple does - and that's what the majority of people don't see. Samsung has to put their own twist and turns on it, and they ruin it. That's what made the Galaxy Nexus so good - Google gave you the raw experience of AOSP, it's just too bad the device was a piece of junk - it lacked hardware. As for battery management, using an AOSP ROM you can undervolt, set governers, by far exceeding any battery life you'll find on any iOS device.

      Android far from sucks, and believe me, as someone who had many Android sets that i used for a week and returned because it wasn't iOS, the only way to go is AOSP.

      The simplicity of Apple is what it is. It's perfectly done. And really, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it - it's tasteful and pretty to look at. I mean, I get it. I really do, I'll never tell you the iPhone sucks, or iOS sucks, because it doesn't. But to say Android sucks, is simply ridiculous.
      I personally didn't like my Experiance of android on the s3. I felt it was more of a device than a phone. With iOS everything is streamlined.


      I agree I wouldn't say android sucks, however it's not for everyone and neither is iOS.

      I do stand strong in this iOS by far has better quality apps. I think most of the really talented android devs are the ones making the roms and such but felt that android apps were not that great
    1. Slimz's Avatar
      Slimz -
      Quote Originally Posted by drigo1178 View Post
      OK you win, you can install PDA just fine, but cant use it(contractual reasons). Fail either way.

      I do not care to root or JB, again I'm placing myself in the average consumers shoes. So far you keep saying that Android is far better but dont have examples?

      The biggest failure of android is the same as windows. Too many devices. Apps are distorted and unscaled since they have to be adaptable to all platforms. How hard does that make it for devs to conform to?

      Ergonomics is also a big thing for me. A lot of people want bigger and better, I want practical. It is an absolute pain to go from the top of my siii screen to then have to click the back button or "home" button at the bottom ( I wear an XL batting glove).

      Samsungs OLED display on the SIII - supposed to be one of the best out there right? No where near on par with retina.

      I can then go into hardware efficiency, and tell you how amazing the hardware is on my SIII, blah blah blah. My two year old IP4 continues to be much smoother and more responsive on half the hardware of the SIII. Sure I can root the SIII to perform better, if thats what you are thinking then you missed the whole point. If people have to root a phone to get it to the same performance, then you fail to see which OS is better. Im comparing a two year old phone to a brand new "top of the line" phone.

      This is why in my tested opinion Android sucks.



      Lumia 920


      Nokia aims to dazzle with Windows Phone 8 Lumia 920 | Mobile - CNET News
      Not on par with retina? To who's eyes? Yours?

      Your using a stock phone, and stock to stock, I couldn't agree more. Touchwiz is a pile of ****. No doubt. But generalizing Android as a whole for Samsung's own short comings and Touchwiz twist is just dumb. There are other options, and if you wanted the best Android experience, AOSP is the way to go. That's what few people get to see, and that's my point exactly.

      I run AOKP Jelly Bean on my SIII, and Android is just fine. Touchwiz which is what your seeing, is a shell of what Android really is.
    1. subywrex's Avatar
      subywrex -
      Quote Originally Posted by Slimz View Post
      Not on par with retina? To who's eyes? Yours?

      Apparently you missed the point. I was agreeing with you. I was simply saying that rooting and ROMing, the s3 is a superior phone. Period. It's smoother, it's faster, I mean, have you rooted yours? Then how would you know? You don't.

      Your using a stock phone, and stock to stock, I couldn't agree more. Touchwiz is a pile of ****. No doubt. But generalizing Android as a whole for Samsung's own short comings and Touchwiz twist is just dumb. There are other options, and if you wanted the best Android experience, AOSP is the way to go. That's what few people get to see, and that's my point exactly.

      I run AOKP Jelly Bean on my SIII, and I see which OS is the best just fine. What you fail to see is Android, all you see is Touchwiz - and it sucks.
      I rooted my s3 and put JB on it and while it was LIGHTYEARS better than ICS w/ touchwiz still felt that the entire Experience with the phone was underwhelming.

      This could be due to the fact that in a simple person with simple needs. Or that the looks of the over all UI was horrible. IOS just, for me, done it right. IMHO chomp is the most highly recommended SMS program everyone told me to use. I used it for a day and couldn't stand it. It was super ugly and felt like someone saw how nice bite SMS was and made it for android. It just felt sloppy so I Just used stock SMS app.

      Getting back to a call was completely confusing to me until I understood how it worked. It just wasn't as intuitive as iOS. Another example I experienced was if I receive a call while my phone is locked when I'm done with that call my phone will lock its self (return to the state it was in) with android it would just exit out to the home screen.

      And absolutely have to agree with someone statement about the size. While nice it's just to big and have to adjust hand position to be able to touch the entire screen.

      One major design flaw I experienced with the s3 was the camera. 80 percent of the time I went to take a picture it was all blurry because of finger prints. On the iPhone I can directly touch the lens and no fingerprints or blurry photos

      At the end of the day. Android is nice and has a lot of potential. But it's just not for me
    1. drigo1178's Avatar
      drigo1178 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Slimz View Post
      Not on par with retina? To who's eyes? Yours?

      Apparently you missed the point. I was agreeing with you. I was simply saying that rooting and ROMing, the s3 is a superior phone. Period. It's smoother, it's faster, I mean, have you rooted yours? Then how would you know? You don't.

      Your using a stock phone, and stock to stock, I couldn't agree more. Touchwiz is a pile of ****. No doubt. But generalizing Android as a whole for Samsung's own short comings and Touchwiz twist is just dumb. There are other options, and if you wanted the best Android experience, AOSP is the way to go. That's what few people get to see, and that's my point exactly.

      I run AOKP Jelly Bean on my SIII, and I see which OS is the best just fine. What you fail to see is Android, all you see is Touchwiz - and it sucks.

      No where near on par with retina, sure blacks are black, and whites are white. Take it out in the sun and its impossible to see. I do fine with my BB and my ip4. Oh my 5 year old daughter also notices the difference when she plays with my phones in the car. YES a 5 year old. If she can see the difference im not sure why you cant.

      Give me a stock phone to run my two year old ip4 against and ill look around for a spare one to play with. I think Galaxy Nexus was mentioned earlier, pretty sure my room mate has one.

      So besides rooting? any other VALID points you want to make? care to take a two year old android phone and compare it stock vs stock to a two year old ip4?
    1. Slimz's Avatar
      Slimz -
      Quote Originally Posted by drigo1178 View Post
      No where near on par with retina, sure blacks are black, and whites are white. Take it out in the sun and its impossible to see. I do fine with my BB and my ip4. Oh my 5 year old daughter also notices the difference when she plays with my phones in the car. YES a 5 year old. If she can see the difference im not sure why you cant.

      Give me a stock phone to run my two year old ip4 against and ill look around for a spare one to play with. I think Galaxy Nexus was mentioned earlier, pretty sure my room mate has one.

      So besides rooting? any other VALID points you want to make? care to take a two year old android phone and compare it stock vs stock to a two year old ip4?
      I'm old. They are all impossible for me to see in the sun, and my kids are grown and gone. Lol.

      You really don't read well, do you? I don't know how many times I said Touchwiz is terrible. I don't know how much more simpler I can say it. I'm agreeing with you, what else is there to understand? All I said, is if you want the best Android experience, AOSP is where you need to compare. You want to compare two year old phones? Sure, the difference is Apple is exactly the same today as it was two years ago, Android has evolved quite a bit. Two years ago, Android was garbage. The Galaxy S? Junk. Lets compare a 70's Ferrari and the Italia 458 while were at it too.

      If he has a Galaxy Nexus do the update to Jelly Bean, because it's official, and it's a "stock" release, by your definition. It's far better and above any Samsung OS offering. The hardware in it, wasn't anywhere near the SIII, or the One X - and its still buttery smooth.
    1. Nickaroni22's Avatar
      Nickaroni22 -
      Like it or not Apple saved the touchscreen, I remember using an AT&T 8525, horrible touchscreen. So when Apple reinvented it, they made sure no one copy it. Then comes Samsung they just copied the hottest, most popular item at the time, the iPhone. So protecting what is yours, is something people learn rather young. The idea of being selfish, that's Apple.
    1. Airwaves182's Avatar
      Airwaves182 -
      Quote Originally Posted by alanjf View Post
      1) Don't speak for anyone other than yourself (and anyone wh ohas specifically ask you to speak on their behalf.) Your feeling are obviously not universally felt so you do not speak for the masses, so kindly stop pretending you do.

      2) Secondly, this is a place for discussion, usually relating to Apple products, but that doesn't mean it's limited to pro-apple speech.

      3) Lastly, If you don't like seeing other people's opinions for something, then why the hell are you reading a discussion board (or comment stream if you're in the blog view) ? That's the whole point of web forums. Just because YOU do not like something does not mean it just should suddenly be censored for all.
      +1!
    1. mydarkblueshirt's Avatar
      mydarkblueshirt -
      My IQ dropped a bit after reading these comments. Way to go with flaming each other and going completely off topic, children.
    1. blueaviator's Avatar
      blueaviator -
      Amazing what business does... On one side, Samsung declaring that they "system" is sub-par, meaning is crap, compared to Apple one, so they don't get banned... On the opposite corner, Apple saying that their competitor is actually as good as they are, in order to prevent them from selling... Go figure these strategies... But good ones... :-)
    1. Anonymous's Avatar
      Anonymous -
      Quote Originally Posted by blueaviator View Post
      Amazing what business does... On one side, Samsung declaring that they "system" is sub-par, meaning is crap, compared to Apple one, so they don't get banned... On the opposite corner, Apple saying that their competitor is actually as good as they are, in order to prevent them from selling... Go figure these strategies... But good ones... :-)
      ^This x1,000,000
    1. Slim J's Avatar
      Slim J -
      Samsung using reverse psychology. I wonder how well this will help?
    1. kyphur's Avatar
      kyphur -
      Quote Originally Posted by drigo1178 View Post
      The biggest failure of android is the same as windows. Too many devices. Apps are distorted and unscaled since they have to be adaptable to all platforms. How hard does that make it for devs to conform to?
      I couldn't agree more with this. Windows (PC OS) has always had issues with supporting so many devices and Microsoft carried that weakness to thier mobile platform.
    1. NegativeBeef's Avatar
      NegativeBeef -
      Quote Originally Posted by drigo1178 View Post
      IOS is much smoother, crashes less, apps costs less, i can go on.
      Do you have any proof of that or are you just speaking out of your *** like a typical iPhone fanboy?