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  • Is Adobe Prepping Major Lawsuit Against Apple?



    If you thought Apple and Adobe had an icy relationship before, you haven't seen anything yet.

    There are rumors and rumblings across the web tonight that Adobe is putting the wheels in motion on what could prove to be a substantial lawsuit against Apple - the company that remains determined beyond words to keep Flash nowhere near their line of, well... everything.

    As a result of Apple's unshakable anti-Flash posturing, Adobe may be getting their ducks in a row on a legal course of action to claim a piece of the i-pie.

    According to the latest blog entry from Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols of IT World, Adobe's frustration multiplied exponentially when Apple suggested that Adobe Flash was, in effect, "not good enough" for the iPad. But the biggest blow to Adobe - and the reason the company may be interested in suing the pants off of Apple - came when Apple revised its iPhone SDK license to prevent developers from submitting programs that use cross-platform compilers.

    It seems Adobe has had enough. And if certain "sources" are to be believed, Apple could very well end up in court. Without question, there is more than just animus brewing within the walls of Adobe. There seems to be outright hatred by some at Adobe toward their former partners and colleagues at Apple. Still, Adobe is playing it cool for now and not spilling the beans about any potential legal action. At present, an Adobe spokesperson named Wiebke Lips simply says that "We are aware of the new SDK language and are looking into it."

    Of course, that language could also be code for: "Our lawyers are on their way over and we ain't talkin' until we know how many zeros to ask for."

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    This article was originally published in forum thread: Is Adobe Prepping Major Lawsuit Against Apple? started by Michael Essany View original post
    Comments 108 Comments
    1. cpkirkley's Avatar
      cpkirkley -
      Quote Originally Posted by awesomeiPod View Post
      And what is the point of Flash for iPhone? Flash sucks on Mac compared to Windows due to its structure and coding. Not only that, it might as well eat your RAM on your iPhone.
      I'm sure that if they were given the green light, after spending the time to properly work on it, Flash would perform just fine (at least on an iPad). If they were smart, it would be toggle based so it can be enabled/disabled to maximize the battery life.

      Kroo, you took one sentence out of that post and used it out of its proper context to prove your point. Well played.

      I said that in response to the seemingly formed opinion that Apple somehow controls Adobe. Apple is simply keeping it off of the iDevices. Which is just what you said. Only after I said it.

      All I was trying to illustrate was that its not like Apple is swinging the ban hammer on all of Adobe Flash versions. And because its numerous implementations, it doesnt hurt Adobe moving forward nearly as much as some people in this thread think it to be.

      In fact, with Google backing Theora for HTML5 video playback, I would be surprised to see Adobe switch tacks - scrapping the flash for iphone crusade, and now working on some kind of interpreter/conversion tool with Google/Theora.

      EDIT - You are also out of your bloody mind if you think for one second that a person who actually uses Photoshop for professional use would dumb down their work to Pixelmator. Nothing you can buy for the price of an Xbox game is going to compare favorably to a set of tools as comprehensive as CS5. Not to mention that it, just like Aperture, is a non-ashamed clone of Photoshop. People that can't tell the difference between the two never needed Photoshop to begin with.
    1. Kroo's Avatar
      Kroo -
      Quote Originally Posted by cpkirkley View Post
      In fact, with Google backing Theora for HTML5 video playback, I would be surprised to see Adobe switch tacks - scrapping the flash for iphone crusade, and now working on some kind of interpreter/conversion tool with Google/Theora.

      EDIT - You are also out of your bloody mind if you think for one second that a person who actually uses Photoshop for professional use would dumb down their work to Pixelmator. Nothing you can buy for the price of an Xbox game is going to compare favorably to a set of tools as comprehensive as CS5. Not to mention that it, just like Aperture, is a non-ashamed clone of Photoshop. People that can't tell the difference between the two never needed Photoshop to begin with.
      You also forgot the support for javascripting and css coding. They will make up the shortfall.

      So I gather you've used Pixelmator? No? I didn't think so. Please don't assume anything just because you have a prejudice, but then again, you have a PC, why would you remotely understand the Flash/Apple argument anyway. When flash bogs down your cpu by using 80%-90% processing power just to run a web plugin, then come and talk to me. When Jobs said Flash was buggy (the Mac version), he was saying what is fact, not just having a swipe for the sake of it. You should be happy Adobe got the PC version working, even with all the backend security vulnerabilities.

      I never said Aperture was PS replacement. PS is a great tool (albeit over priced), and any current or past version would continue to work, even if Adobe drop support for future versions. What would you know about Aperture anyway? It's a professional photographic review/library with enhancement tools. That's it. Have you used it? Don't pretend to know things you have no experience of, it makes you a tool.

      Some of your statements make no sense whatsoever and you end up looking like a fool. Besides, you are arguing over a moot subject. No flash on Apple mobile devices. GET OVER IT!!! And stop the whining. IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN!! Move on with your life and leave us in peace dude, geez.
    1. cpkirkley's Avatar
      cpkirkley -
      Quote Originally Posted by Kroo View Post
      You also forgot the support for javascripting and css coding. They will make up the shortfall.

      So I gather you've used Pixelmator? No? I didn't think so. Please don't assume anything just because you have a prejudice, but then again, you have a PC, why would you remotely understand the Flash/Apple argument anyway. When flash bogs down your cpu by using 80%-90% processing power just to run a web plugin, then come and talk to me. When Jobs said Flash was buggy (the Mac version), he was saying what is fact, not just having a swipe for the sake of it. You should be happy Adobe got the PC version working, even with all the backend security vulnerabilities.

      I never said Aperture was PS replacement. PS is a great tool (albeit over priced), and any current or past version would continue to work, even if Adobe drop support for future versions. What would you know about Aperture anyway? It's a professional photographic review/library with enhancement tools. That's it. Have you used it? Don't pretend to know things you have no experience of, it makes you a tool.

      Some of your statements make no sense whatsoever and you end up looking like a fool. Besides, you are arguing over a moot subject. No flash on Apple mobile devices. GET OVER IT!!! And stop the whining. IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN!! Move on with your life and leave us in peace dude, geez.
      Please dont make the assumption that I don't know what I am talking about, before my Vaio, I owned two 15 inch CTO Macbook Pros (1.1, 4.1) and a Macbook Air 1.1. I still own a 2nd Gen Mac mini which I use as a music server. Not to mention each generation of iPhone up to the 3GS. The reason I left Mac was because BOTH 2500 dollars machines I purchased from Apple suffered from terrible overheating under stress, and both had GPU issues, which are well documented (x1600 and 8600 GT). And for both models, Apple's stance on them is not to repair the problem, but to have my buy a new machine and hope they figure out the problem in the newest release.

      The Vaio F series I replaced them with has a 16 inch screen, Core i7, 500GB Drive, 6GB of Ram, has the same GT 330M as the not yet released MBP (but double the memory, non underclocked, and most assuredly will receive updates faster, Blu-ray burner, backlit chiclet keyboard, and was laser engraved with my name and company logo. 2 years of support at Sony Style. I bought a Macbook Pro killer for 1200 dollars, 5 months before the laptop its going to kill is released. For the money I've saved, I could buy another machine spec'ed exactly the same. And if I ever want to run OSX on it, I'll just rebelEFI.

      I actually used Pixelmator back when they offered it for free back in 07. Was not impressed at all. The first iteration didn't even support .RAW formats, which was a deal breaker for me. I honestly havent really followed the progression since, but my opinion of Pixelmator will not change.

      If I have Adobe suite, it is unnecessary and counterproductive to use Pixelmator. And given the money the firm I work for (and XX thousand others around the world) make off of that suite, its actually priced quite adequately.
    1. z3r01's Avatar
      z3r01 -
      Ok so u have a Sony vaio now that you love...great...button line tho, adobe will never stop supporting CS for mac...once again, it's not in their interest...they would loose a junk of what they already have...adobe doesn't care what beefed up mac or pc u have as long as u purchase their app...flash not coming to iPhone, ok keep it moving with your other apps then...these supposed lawsuits are rumor
      from a flash fanboi who wants apple to make it happen and is venting starting dumb rumors of a lawsuit with no legal meaning ...so face it...seriously...no flash ain't coming to the iPhone, adobe won't stop supporting mac because of that because it's a company not a 13yr child,

      Html5 ftw
    1. Kroo's Avatar
      Kroo -
      @cpkirkly

      I've had similar issues with hp & Dell, that's the reason I don't use a PC for my personal use. As for pixelmator, it's comprable to PS coral sraw& paint suits. I never used the 07 version but this one does what I need it to do. My point there was people were crying "oh there won't be PS anymore" which us crap, but I put up an alternative. A college who is a pro photographer tried pixelmator and said it was fine. He's still using PS but he doesn't need to swap just yet. Two points. Flash won't come to "i" and adobe won't drop OSX support for CS5 or anything into the future. That's has been my underlying point all through this rediculous debate.
    1. roosevelthunt's Avatar
      roosevelthunt -
      Monopoly is about choices or lack there of. After reading all this discussion about nothing, you have to go back and look at precedent, when it comes to software and electronic devices. Bell was broken up because consumers had no choice. Someone quoted a prize winning economist, which is nice except I'd take the definition from Blacks Law Dictionary (which every first year law student should possess). When Microsoft was sued for antitrust law violation, every computer you purchased (PC that was) came with windows which had of course IE. Dell, Acer (are they still around?), Gateway, Packard Bell if you remember to name a few. No matter what PC you bought Windows & IE, no reason to use Netscape or any other browser. So consumers had really no choices. I remember Mr. Gates saying that the government is essentially telling him to include other browsers, is like asking Coke to include in every one of it's 12 packs, a can of Pepsi! In phones very different. If you don't like Apples stance on Flash you have a "Choice" to buy another phone that does or from previous posts attempts to run flash. Which is essentially the same point the guy was making on the auto post. If you don't like Honda engines, don't buy a Honda car or Toyota or Ford and so on. On the winning in court, we all know that decisions depend on precedent, political bias, what's going on with the judge at the time etc. So just saying Apple will win, Adobe will win who knows. But if we follow precedent, an easy case for any judge to decide, and one any rookie lawyer would turn down, unless he's seeing in all this something I'm not. After having said all this, the reason we have trials, and court cases is because reasonable minds can differ! Who knows I may be wrong, I have been on many occasion.
    1. Mes's Avatar
      Mes -
      Quote Originally Posted by Success.Is.Sweet View Post
      Someone intelligent on MMI? I never thought I'd see the day.
      Haha. They do exist. But the iPhone is not their life
    1. cpkirkley's Avatar
      cpkirkley -
      @ Kroo - I see what your saying, I think our disagreement is in that I dont think that Pixelmator would totally replace Photoshop - for a heavy duty user of the suite. I actually downloaded a trial of it over this weekend, and I'm impressed with its progress. But I feel if Abode removes the suite from the apple platform, PM will not stop people from leaving.