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  • Is Adobe Prepping Major Lawsuit Against Apple?



    If you thought Apple and Adobe had an icy relationship before, you haven't seen anything yet.

    There are rumors and rumblings across the web tonight that Adobe is putting the wheels in motion on what could prove to be a substantial lawsuit against Apple - the company that remains determined beyond words to keep Flash nowhere near their line of, well... everything.

    As a result of Apple's unshakable anti-Flash posturing, Adobe may be getting their ducks in a row on a legal course of action to claim a piece of the i-pie.

    According to the latest blog entry from Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols of IT World, Adobe's frustration multiplied exponentially when Apple suggested that Adobe Flash was, in effect, "not good enough" for the iPad. But the biggest blow to Adobe - and the reason the company may be interested in suing the pants off of Apple - came when Apple revised its iPhone SDK license to prevent developers from submitting programs that use cross-platform compilers.

    It seems Adobe has had enough. And if certain "sources" are to be believed, Apple could very well end up in court. Without question, there is more than just animus brewing within the walls of Adobe. There seems to be outright hatred by some at Adobe toward their former partners and colleagues at Apple. Still, Adobe is playing it cool for now and not spilling the beans about any potential legal action. At present, an Adobe spokesperson named Wiebke Lips simply says that "We are aware of the new SDK language and are looking into it."

    Of course, that language could also be code for: "Our lawyers are on their way over and we ain't talkin' until we know how many zeros to ask for."

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    This article was originally published in forum thread: Is Adobe Prepping Major Lawsuit Against Apple? started by Michael Essany View original post
    Comments 108 Comments
    1. QWood13's Avatar
      QWood13 -
      @nosnam Apple hates Flash because it's a memory hog. On my computer, Flash takes up at least 200 MB of space, and my music and movies and videos take up most of the space on my 8 gb iPod touch. People will be mad if Apple does add Flash because they'll have less memory than they would have had I. The first place.
    1. Cer0's Avatar
      Cer0 -
      I thought Apple approched Adobe long ago to make a suite for them to use with OSX. They said no so Apple created iLife. Later down the road Apple approached Adobe and asked them to look into fixing the issues with flash and OSX, again a no. And just the other day Adobe decided to say in a company blog "Screw Apple". Yea that sounds like Apple should really care if Adobe falls of the earth or not.

      And Apple is not only blocking Flash to iPhone it is blocking others like Java and other language sources. Adobe is the only one throwing a fit.
    1. QWood13's Avatar
      QWood13 -
      Actuallyx Adobe's NOT fighting for the public! They don't give a DAMN about the public!!! They just want their money back. They are some manipulators
    1. unison999's Avatar
      unison999 -
      Quote Originally Posted by oneduality View Post
      I think any lawsuit would be bess about Apple's choice of not using their software on the iPhone/iPad .. as in .. browser support of flash .. I think it's more about eliminating the option of developers to use CS5 to develop native apps for the iPhone/iPad..

      Apple is effectively cutting off the hands of many of the developers that have apps in the app store..

      They are limiting the options for developers to write apps for their platform and locking them into Apple's expensive development platform.. If you're a windows or Linux guy looking for some way to write an app for the app store, you're SOL now..

      I know this will eliminate a lot of the crap in the app store, but it also will likely push a flood of developers to other platforms and aid their competition.. What happens when the competition's app stores get bigger and have more options? it becomes more attractive for customers to use the competition... one of the main reasons I stay with iPhone is the massive app store.

      I think Apple is doing something stupid... and I do think it was primarily aimed at preventing CS5 apps from coming in.. the timing is too perfect.
      Thank you for actually reading this thing.


      Quote Originally Posted by devteamtools View Post
      this is just like nokia vs apple. completely pointless on adobe's part. they are just to sad that flash is going out of style.
      No, it can be proven that Apple use Nokia's technology, just because Apple do not think the rights to use it is fair does not mean they can use it and not pay.
    1. sandstorm77's Avatar
      sandstorm77 -
      If I were Adobe I would piss Apple off by releasing flash in Cydia.
    1. danelgran's Avatar
      danelgran -
      If Adobe pulled out of the Mac business it would hurt them more than Apple. They've already cornered the video-editing market. The Final Cut Suite blows the pants off of Premiere...I wouldnt put it past Apple to be developing Apps to take on Photoshop, After-Effects, InDesign...etc.
    1. desepticon's Avatar
      desepticon -
      Absolutley. If Adobe dumps CS5 from the Mac Apple will just come out with their own, likley superior, product. If theres one thing Apple does well its taking other companies product ideas and making them better.
    1. Success.Is.Sweet's Avatar
      Success.Is.Sweet -
      Quote Originally Posted by QWood13 View Post
      @nosnam Apple hates Flash because it's a memory hog. On my computer, Flash takes up at least 200 MB of space, and my music and movies and videos take up most of the space on my 8 gb iPod touch. People will be mad if Apple does add Flash because they'll have less memory than they would have had I. The first place.


      Do you have any clue what you're talking about at all?
    1. QWood13's Avatar
      QWood13 -
      @Success.Is.Sweet yes I do because that is one of the main reasons Apple refuses to put flash on iDevices. At least that's what they're telling the public
    1. billmilo's Avatar
      billmilo -
      If it were Microsoft behaving as Apple is right now, people would be calling for Bill Gates', and anti-trust lawsuits would be flying up and down.
    1. ltjbigshot's Avatar
      ltjbigshot -
      I have hear RUMORS around that they are suing over patent infregment on some UI methods the iPhone OS has. As to whe methods they are talking about I am not 100% sure. Once again just another rumor. So this could be complete BS. haha. We will have to wait to see.

      I though apple had their stuff together over all of their UI. I was thinking hay they had patents for just about ever line of code in the iPhone OS. haha
    1. soulthoughts's Avatar
      soulthoughts -
      If they sue because of a monopoly or antitrust, Adobe may have a case. Think MS and IE v the EU.
    1. Kil0111's Avatar
      Kil0111 -
      =[
    1. iPhone3G[S]'s Avatar
      iPhone3G[S] -
      Quote Originally Posted by soulthoughts View Post
      If they sue because of a monopoly or antitrust, Adobe may have a case. Think MS and IE v the EU.
      that is completely different.

      apple isnt forcing everyone to use some other apple product to handle flash. there just is no flash.

      Besides, I would much rather have silverlight then flash any day
    1. GixxerJJ's Avatar
      GixxerJJ -
      Sorry. But I for one would love to have flash on my iPhone and iPad!!!!! I hopoe apple gives in FFS
    1. Darkflame's Avatar
      Darkflame -
      Release it to the jailbreak community. Everyone will flock to jb devices and those who cant will shun apple for punishing them by not releasing the flash integration. Sales and subsequent returns will drain apple and apple will give in when countless reports flourish regarding the lack of adverse effects that apple "magically" pulled out of thin air.
    1. soulthoughts's Avatar
      soulthoughts -
      I disagree. An argument can be made that apple is closing their OS much like MS did to other browsers.
    1. Success.Is.Sweet's Avatar
      Success.Is.Sweet -
      Quote Originally Posted by QWood13 View Post
      @Success.Is.Sweet yes I do because that is one of the main reasons Apple refuses to put flash on iDevices. At least that's what they're telling the public
      No, Flash is apparently a CPU hog on Macs, but with the newest version of Flash where it spreads the load between the CPU and GPU, this is no longer an issue. Apple is further saying that battery life would be completely ruined. Watch these videos and see for yourself:

      [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8wuJ129d0w]YouTube - Flash Player 10.1 on Motorola Droid[/ame]

      [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpI6gA9cuME]YouTube - FLASH PLAYER ADOBE RUNNING ON PALM PRE[/ame]

      Truth is, Apple just has a grudge against Flash and is going against the wishes of most of it's users (and brainwashing the rest, like Apple does about their devices) by not including it.

      HTML5 is not going to be mainstream for years to come, and will likely not completely replace Flash. Apple is putting all of their eggs in one basket with HTML5, whose future is largely unknown at this point.

      The fact is that Flash is now, and will be the predominant software for internet movies and games for at least a few more years. Banking on something that is barely implemented and completely ruling out what is already out there is just stupid and arrogant.
    1. iphone8130hak's Avatar
      iphone8130hak -
      HTML5 will conquer flash
    1. 3gs1289's Avatar
      3gs1289 -
      Quote Originally Posted by QWood13 View Post
      @Luppin, you do realize that if Adobe pulled the plug on Macs, not only would Apple lose some of their market, butthey would too. And besides, I bet that Apple would just come up something just the same, maybe even better than CS5. So, Adobe AND Apple would lose their money. Why would you even suggest that Adobe do that???
      yea im sure adobe would lose so much money with the 1% share of the market apple desktops and laptops own. and if apple could just come up with something better why haven't they?