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  • Bruce Willis is Not Planning to Invade Cupertino and Secure His iTunes Collection


    Turns out Bruce Willis isn’t invoking his inner Die Hard, and likely doesn’t care what happens to his iTunes music collection.

    For those who missed it, and I’m sur many of you did, numerous UK tabloids like The Daily Mail and The Sun reported that Willis was planning to sue Apple over who would inherit the actor’s massive music collection when he dies. Willis was “reportedly looking into setting up trusts” to act as legal “holders” and even looked into possibly suing Apple to make sure the music stayed in the family according to CNET.

    However, Emma Heming-Willis (Bruce’s wife) debunked the story via Twitter today replying to a fans tweet that “it’s not a true story.” Parade officially rained on.

    But, the story did bring to light an important question: “Who gets my digital crap when I die?” Apparently iTunes and Amazon users who purchase content through their media services are only “indefinitely renting” the content and do not actually own anything. So I guess the question is, when does indefinitely end? Your death?

    Obviously no one is investing their fortunes in digital goods in hopes that they’ll someday appreciate in value and act as a digital fortune for their heirs. But, maybe someday, that content will be be valuable enough to warrant the discussion, especially as physical media continues to die out.

    Source: CNET
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Bruce Willis is Not Planning to Invade Cupertino and Secure His iTunes Collection started by Phillip Swanson View original post
    Comments 38 Comments
    1. Papiriqui's Avatar
      Papiriqui -
      The matter of the fact is, that as long as you make a copy of the song to an external hard drive there is nothing anyone can do about it, nor apple or amazon for that matter. You bough it an you own it, just as if you were a dvd or cd as long as you dont make copies for distribution purposes as it does states that, but for personal use you can make as many copies as you want!!!!
    1. runey71's Avatar
      runey71 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Papiriqui View Post
      The matter of the fact is, that as long as you make a copy of the song to an external hard drive there is nothing anyone can do about it, nor apple or amazon for that matter. You bough it an you own it, just as if you were a dvd or cd as long as you dont make copies for distribution purposes as it does states that, but for personal use you can make as many copies as you want!!!!
      Sorry that is not correct. You cannot make any copies for distribution purposes as you say. However in the iTunes terms and conditions it states you may copy an audio file to physical media a total of 7 times. You can also have up to 5 digital copies of it at any given time. For video files you are never allows to copy them to physical media. Not that anyone follows or cares about the terms and conditions. I know I don't. The fact of the matter is under no circumstances can you legally make infinite copies of your purchased content for any reason. It's pretty black and white. The grey area is what happens to those rights after you die. Assuming you even care of course LOL
    1. feidhlim1986's Avatar
      feidhlim1986 -
      Ohhhhh when did everyone starting caring so much about terms and conditions. look out here come the iTunes police.
    1. bonum83's Avatar
      bonum83 -
      Quote Originally Posted by runey71 View Post
      You can say mine all you want. You can have it all caps, or in bold or extra large and it will make no difference. When you purchased something from iTunes, or any of the other online media services, you agreed to the terms and conditions. So whilst it is true you can do whatever you like that doesn't make it legal and you certainly won't be complying with the terms and conditions. Just to be clear since you singled out iTunes, and conveniently overlooked that Amazon was also mentioned, that most of these services have similar terms and conditions. Ie personal use only, you can't make as many copies as you like etc

      Oh and it is no different for print media. You can't buy a book and legally photocopy it. Limitations have always been placed on what you can do with something you paid for and supposedly "own". Different rules for different countries of course.



      I'm not sure where in the terms and conditions it says "infinity renting". I certainly couldn't find it but it is a big document o.O What it does say is purchases have limitations such as how many electronic and physical copies you can make of your purchase. There are terms and conditions for many countries, so maybe the renting thing is hidden in there somewhere.
      Amen

      Quote Originally Posted by feidhlim1986 View Post
      Ohhhhh when did everyone starting caring so much about terms and conditions. look out here come the iTunes police.
      I agree that we shouldn't be all righteous now, but we should not forget what he digitally signed was the terms and conditions. Now what we do with the music is another story..
    1. bsltiger's Avatar
      bsltiger -
      Quote Originally Posted by docmagoo2 View Post
      Difference being you RENT from blockbuster, you ostensibly BUY from iTunes. However I don't ever read terms and conditions so I cannot comment fully.
      That's the thing, though. You AREN'T buying from iTunes. You're renting it. For a very very long time (indefinitely).

      It's in the T&C. It's Understandable that not many people know this, though, since no one ever reads T&C (myself included).
    1. nicrfe's Avatar
      nicrfe -
      Quote Originally Posted by NakedFaerie View Post
      When I pay for something I'TS MINE!
      If I buy a song from iTunes I do what I WANT with it NOT what Apple tells me to do.
      If I want to transfer it to a different MP3 player then I will as I PAID for it so I can do whatever I like with it.
      As I have the file I can remove the protection as its on MY computer and I can do whatever I like to anything on MY computer.
      Apple have NO rights to my files after I paid for them.
      IF they want to give them to me for free then ok, they can have an agreement but as money has changed hands its now MINE.
      +∞++
    1. i113's Avatar
      i113 -
      Everyone should do whatever they want (reasonably) with the music they purchase. The RIAA should be thankful we drop out .99/1.29 at all.

      EULAs are all a joke. Even if you take the time to read most of them, you would still need a lawyer to decipher exactly what it is you agree to.
    1. Perceptum's Avatar
      Perceptum -
      Quote Originally Posted by NakedFaerie View Post
      When I pay for something I'TS MINE!
      If I buy a song from iTunes I do what I WANT with it NOT what Apple tells me to do.
      If I want to transfer it to a different MP3 player then I will as I PAID for it so I can do whatever I like with it.
      As I have the file I can remove the protection as its on MY computer and I can do whatever I like to anything on MY computer.
      Apple have NO rights to my files after I paid for them.
      IF they want to give them to me for free then ok, they can have an agreement but as money has changed hands its now MINE.
      Most of us are consumers and not producers. If you were a producer and people started to copy and pirate your stuff, I bet you would change your stance in a heart beat.
    1. Gamemaster77's Avatar
      Gamemaster77 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Perceptum View Post
      Most of us are consumers and not producers. If you were a producer and people started to copy and pirate your stuff, I bet you would change your stance in a heart beat.
      Not at all. I know plenty of producers that don't care what you do with it. I even know many that have a very lax stance on piracy, and say that they don't really care if people do it. Funny thing is, those artists have many people who would normally pirate it who buy it just because they have such a good attitude.
    1. Jahooba's Avatar
      Jahooba -
      If you can't sell it back then it's not yours, unfortunately. When you "buy" music you're only buying the right to enjoy the music whenever you want.
    1. oddphone20's Avatar
      oddphone20 -
      I understand both sides. Me...I try not buying digital. I get my music the old fashion way..CD quality. I hate the bit-rate of any recordings they have to offer. I get better Quality, a physical copy,can put it in iTunes or anywhere I feel fit and In most cases pay the same. Really don't understand how they have duped everyone into accepting these garbage recordings. Put on a set of good earphones and play a 128 vs 700+ and you will understand( not the ones Apple provides)Like a crap Diner vs. a five star restaurant.
    1. killakill's Avatar
      killakill -
      Quote Originally Posted by bsltiger View Post
      Do you thinks that blockbuster haves no right to the movie you renteds from them? Could you makes an hundred copied of the DVDs that you gots from them? You better reading your agreement from apple a whole nother time and learn exactly what it are you were paid for when you "bought" your songs. You is only rented it.
      Nobody is talking about making hundreds of copies of anything. If you purchase any of these dogs through any service, you do reserve the right to put those songs on your mp3 player. Correct? And if that is correct, I do not believe apple than has the right to take your mp3 player and/or Take legal action to make sure you remove it from that player when you die.
    1. bigboyz's Avatar
      bigboyz -
      I don't know one single iTunes user that has a decent collection, that does not back up their media. Meaning it is yours..as you have a backup of it locally. iTunes also has a backup of it im sure but if anything goes down(you die) at least your local copy is still good..:]
    1. bsltiger's Avatar
      bsltiger -
      Quote Originally Posted by killakill View Post
      Nobody is talking about making hundreds of copies of anything. If you purchase any of these dogs through any service, you do reserve the right to put those songs on your mp3 player. Correct? And if that is correct, I do not believe apple than has the right to take your mp3 player and/or Take legal action to make sure you remove it from that player when you die.
      I get it. I was just exaggerating to prove a point to NakedFaerie. The number was arbitrary.
    1. Perceptum's Avatar
      Perceptum -
      Quote Originally Posted by Gamemaster77 View Post
      Not at all. I know plenty of producers that don't care what you do with it. I even know many that have a very lax stance on piracy, and say that they don't really care if people do it. Funny thing is, those artists have many people who would normally pirate it who buy it just because they have such a good attitude.
      I do not know a single person who doesn't care if their products are pirated or stolen.
    1. PatrickGSR94's Avatar
      PatrickGSR94 -
      LOL at CD's being considered "old fashioned" hhahaa.
    1. Gamemaster77's Avatar
      Gamemaster77 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Perceptum View Post
      I do not know a single person who doesn't care if their products are pirated or stolen.
      Ronald Jenkees and Olan Rogers to name two. Then lots not forgot the countless others who just don't charge for their music videos, or software in the first place.
    1. niceshades's Avatar
      niceshades -
      Quote Originally Posted by NakedFaerie View Post
      When I pay for something I'TS MINE!
      If I buy a song from iTunes I do what I WANT with it NOT what Apple tells me to do.
      If I want to transfer it to a different MP3 player then I will as I PAID for it so I can do whatever I like with it.
      As I have the file I can remove the protection as its on MY computer and I can do whatever I like to anything on MY computer.
      Apple have NO rights to my files after I paid for them.
      IF they want to give them to me for free then ok, they can have an agreement but as money has changed hands its now MINE.
      Pretty sure everybody would agree that is how it should be, but that isn't true. Rentals aren't free; we buy rentals apparently.