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  • California Court Grants Apple Ban On Sale of Galaxy Nexus



    A California court granted Apple a preliminary injunction against Samsung’s Galaxy Nexus phone today, piling on an earlier decision to ban the sale of the Galaxy Tab 10.1.

    After a week filled with news surrounding Google’s I/O conference this injunction is a damper on an otherwise buzz-worthy week for Google, and their production partner Samsung. Judge Lucy Koh granted Apple’s request of a preliminary injunction against the Galaxy Nexus with the sales ban going into effect immediately after Apple pays the $96 million bond.

    Judge Koh cited U.S. Patent No. 8,086,604 which covers Siri voice commands and a unified search functionality. Other patents cited in the case include U.S. patents:


    • 8,086,604- “universal interface for retrieval of information in a computer system”
    • 8,074,172- “method, system and graphical user interface for providing word recommendations”
    • 8,046,721- The famous slide to unlock patent
    • 5,946,647- “system and method for performing an action on a structure in computer generated data.” This was previously used successfully against HTC in a case levied before the International Trade Commission.



    With Google’s flagship Android device off the shelves for the time being, it’ll be interesting how the Galaxy S III and other Android device sales are influenced by the devices absence as well as the iPhone. While the preliminary injunction is by no means a final verdict, it is possible Apple could see some sort of restitution in addition to the injunction as the trial advances.

    Source: AppleInsider
    This article was originally published in forum thread: California Court Grants Apple Ban On Sale of Galaxy Nexus started by Phillip Swanson View original post
    Comments 60 Comments
    1. Gamemaster77's Avatar
      Gamemaster77 -
      The reason they shouldn't be perusing these patents, is that they shouldn't even have them in the first place. Patents were made to foster innovation, not stifle it. For one, Apple wasn't even the first to have a slide to unlock thing; they legally shouldn't be able to get the patent then.
    1. Dark_Ninja's Avatar
      Dark_Ninja -
      Quote Originally Posted by Gamemaster77 View Post
      The reason they shouldn't be perusing these patents, is that they shouldn't even have them in the first place. Patents were made to foster innovation, not stifle it. For one, Apple wasn't even the first to have a slide to unlock thing; they legally shouldn't be able to get the patent then.
      I very much agree. To me the first to do something has the right to it. Apple claims things as theirs and then try's to sue everyone else. Not how u do business but for a bully I guess it is.
    1. mandaryn's Avatar
      mandaryn -
      Quote Originally Posted by Slimz View Post
      Apple is out of control. I'm sorry, but this is just ludicrous to think that Apple can control what is bought and sold. This week I happen to have a good friend who works for customs tell me they had to search and go through pallets of HTC products due to them not being allowed in the country because of Apple's patent war. One V's and EVO Design's were what they were digging through. It's out of control.
      Patents are granted when someone, after potentially years of hard work and creativity, perfects a unique idea, and the system exists to make sure that someone substantially less creative doesn't simply come along and steal your $hyt without repercussions. Apple poured millions of dollars and man hours into developing the iOS platform, then BOTH Samsung and Google ease in, poach the best of it, and proceed to try and burry apple's products through what they seem to think is fair competition! Fair competition is when you put your ideas against another's and let buyers decide, but just popping a half-***** copy out into the market is by no means fair competition. If I hold a patent and someone uses the ideas represented in it for their own profit I should get freakin' paid! Now you wanna know what's really BS? Micrososft holding all the companies that make android products hostage based on patents that are not legitimately integral to the devices. If they couldn't be the first with a groundbreaking device to market they'll just use their patents (many of which only apply in the most hypothetical sense) to cop their share of google's stolen idea. How does a patent obtained in 1987 for an ancient piece of code related to a wireless standard that is only in the barest most minimal sense even related to what we use today even applicable? You notice how they go after companies they know can't afford to litigate, because giving in to MS is just cheaper than trying to show everyone, by spending millions on attorneys, that Microsoft are a-holes, and have been since they laid the chunk!
    1. delusion950's Avatar
      delusion950 -
      For all Apple fanboys and girls here is your proof that Apple has violated few Motorola/Google's patents. No wonder Apple is suing all the time because they know Google can ban them from selling in the US. If they keep knocking on devils door he will answer. Banning Google Galaxy Nexus will cost them big, i think Google is still going through 24,000 patents they have finding dirt on Apple putting pieces together to strike back for good this time. Looks like 90's will repeat once again for Apple ! All money Apple has isn't worth s h i t when they dont have necessary patents to fight back! 5 years in making or should i say perfecting the same device doesnt account for 22 years Motorolla has been making phones. Wait until Google starts filing suits ! This is going to be Epic ! Grab pop corn and enjoy the show !



      Blocked Imports
      Should the ITC side with Motorola Mobility, the agency has the power to order U.S. Customs and Border Protection to stop iPhones and iPad computers made in Asia from entering the U.S. On July 2, the ITC is scheduled to announce whether it will review a trade judge’s findings that Microsoft’s Xbox gaming system infringes four of five Motorola Mobility patents.
      In February, the Justice Department approved Google’s $12.5 billion purchase of Libertyville, Illinois-based Motorola Mobility, which gave the biggest maker of smartphone software more than 17,000 additional patents in the largest wireless- equipment deal in at least a decade, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
    1. cgfusion's Avatar
      cgfusion -
      Good, I'm glad, for all you Google guys who are writing Wah, Wah, Wah. Try supporting an American company. Funny you only see the law suits Apple does, seems to me Samsung crap has put in for just as many cause they can't beat Apple toe to toe. Shut up and buy a good Phone, let me help you, it's a iPhone.
    1. Dark_Ninja's Avatar
      Dark_Ninja -
      Something tells me Apples greediness will come back to bite them and this time Windows WON'T bail them out like last time. Funny thing is no one realizes that windows gave u the iPhone lol.
    1. alanjf's Avatar
      alanjf -
      Quote Originally Posted by amoamare View Post
      8,086,604- “universal interface for retrieval of information in a computer system”
      8,074,172- “method, system and graphical user interface for providing word recommendations”
      8,046,721- The famous slide to unlock patent
      5,946,647- “system and method for performing an action on a structure in computer generated data.” This was previously used successfully against HTC in a case levied before the International Trade Commission.
      Quote Originally Posted by Gamemaster77 View Post
      The reason they shouldn't be perusing these patents, is that they shouldn't even have them in the first place. Patents were made to foster innovation, not stifle it. For one, Apple wasn't even the first to have a slide to unlock thing; they legally shouldn't be able to get the patent then.
      Exactly true. Also, the above are good examples of the absurd vagueness of the majority of their patents (related to iOS.) These are patents that should never have been granted. Patents are supposed to be for a well defined idea, not something that applies to things that already existed for sometime, which so many do. For example, "Universal interface for retrieval of information in a computer system." You have got to be kidding me. That could apply to anything from Bash to PowerShell to TomTom. It's just too damn vague and that's what really needs to be understood here.
    1. MaStA819's Avatar
      MaStA819 -
      A device with a touch-sensitive display may be unlocked via gestures performed on the touch-sensitive display. The device is unlocked if contact with the display corresponds to a predefined gesture for unlocking the device. The device displays one or more unlock images with respect to which the predefined gesture is to be performed in order to unlock the device. The performance of the predefined gesture with respect to the unlock image may include moving the unlock image to a predefined location and/or moving the unlock image along a predefined path. The device may also display visual cues of the predefined gesture on the touch screen to remind a user of the gesture.
      So how exactly can you unlock a touchscreen phone with a patent that basically doesn't allow you to touch the screen and perform a gesture to unlock it? Basically, if I am understanding this correctly, the only thing this patent allows is you to simply make one touch to the screen to unlock it without performing a gesture or to have a manual button to unlock the screen. I don't even understand how such a vague patent like this is allowed. If you apple fan boys really think this is right you are out of your mind...that is ridiculous and whoever grants patents should not allow something like this. Why not just get a patent that only allows you to make cell phones...because that is what these patents seem to attempt causing.
    1. znbl's Avatar
      znbl -
      Quote Originally Posted by alanjf View Post
      Exactly true. Also, the above are good examples of the absurd vagueness of the majority of their patents (related to iOS.) These are patents that should never have been granted. Patents are supposed to be for a well defined idea, not something that applies to things that already existed for sometime, which so many do. For example, "Universal interface for retrieval of information in a computer system." You have got to be kidding me. That could apply to anything from Bash to PowerShell to TomTom. It's just too damn vague and that's what really needs to be understood here.
      Hell, that could describe practically any computer operating system, user interface, shell, API, database manager software, etc, ever made.
    1. steve-z17's Avatar
      steve-z17 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Dark_Ninja View Post
      Something tells me Apples greediness will come back to bite them and this time Windows WON'T bail them out like last time. Funny thing is no one realizes that windows gave u the iPhone lol.
      Yeah we understand you don't like Apple and you're entitled to your opinion, but bashing them over and over is just immature. Your above comment has nothing to do with this lawsuit, you clearly just wanted to try and say another negative thing about Apple and failed. We have the iPhone today because of Apple's innovations, it doesn't matter where the money came from. And according to your comment, " no one realizes that windows gave u the iPhone" would mean that you don't know where the iPhone came from either lol. So go ahead and say all the bad things you want about them, but you're not going to change the minds of all the people here that enjoy Apple and their products.
    1. Dark_Ninja's Avatar
      Dark_Ninja -
      Quote Originally Posted by steve-z17 View Post
      Yeah we understand you don't like Apple and you're entitled to your opinion, but bashing them over and over is just immature. Your above comment has nothing to do with this lawsuit, you clearly just wanted to try and say another negative thing about Apple and failed. We have the iPhone today because of Apple's innovations, it doesn't matter where the money came from. And according to your comment, " no one realizes that windows gave u the iPhone" would mean that you don't know where the iPhone came from either lol. So go ahead and say all the bad things you want about them, but you're not going to change the minds of all the people here that enjoy Apple and their products.
      Lol... I never said I didnt like apple. I'm just stating common facts bro. I personally love my iPhone and iMac. But it dont change the facts man.
    1. steve-z17's Avatar
      steve-z17 -
      Quote Originally Posted by MaStA819 View Post
      So how exactly can you unlock a touchscreen phone with a patent that basically doesn't allow you to touch the screen and perform a gesture to unlock it? Basically, if I am understanding this correctly, the only thing this patent allows is you to simply make one touch to the screen to unlock it without performing a gesture or to have a manual button to unlock the screen. I don't even understand how such a vague patent like this is allowed. If you apple fan boys really think this is right you are out of your mind...that is ridiculous and whoever grants patents should not allow something like this. Why not just get a patent that only allows you to make cell phones...because that is what these patents seem to attempt causing.
      If your comment is true then Apple would be trying to ban almost every smartphone running Android. Almost every one of them has some sort of gesture like that to get to the main screen, but they're not. There's a reason why they're after these two devices specifically, the software (from Google) has almost identical features to iOS, icons, UI, connector, shape, etc. The whole point of not letting others use your idea helps inspire innovation. Sure it's easier to grab something that's already been released and helping someone make millions of dollars, but that doesn't help the industry move forward at all. It would be awesome if Windows or Android came out with a totally different gesture to unlock your screen, it would certainly grab the attention of buyers! I guess to a Microsoft fan boy it doesn't really matter though....

      Quote Originally Posted by Dark_Ninja View Post
      Lol... I never said I didnt like apple. I'm just stating common facts bro. I personally love my iPhone and iMac. But it dont change the facts man.
      Lol, I just don't understand what that Microsoft comment had to do with this Google vs Apple lawsuit...or why if you like Apple are you bashing on them so much? No hard feelings, just wondering.
    1. znbl's Avatar
      znbl -
      Quote Originally Posted by steve-z17 View Post
      the software (from Google) has almost identical features to iOS, icons, UI, connector, shape, etc.
      Bollocks, on the Icons, given how generic they are, as is the main interface of iOS. It's just pages folders containing of icons with labels, just like any desktop of any GUI system I've ever seen. You can't say something that generic, that exists everywhere, is grounds for a lawsuit.

      The whole point of not letting others use your idea helps inspire innovation. Sure it's easier to grab something that's already been released and helping someone make millions of dollars, but that doesn't help the industry move forward at all.
      The point you're missing is Apple has been using other people's ideas for 20+ years. Yet it's ok for them to do so. And apparently it's also ok for them to file over 200 patents, many of which are so vague you could practically apply it to an abacus in many cases. This is NOT what patents are for, and what Apple is doing with patents (as well as anyone else hording these vague-as-hell patents) is sheer abuse of the the system. Put simply, a patent is supposed to clear and UNAMBIGUOUSLY define an idea. I have yet to find a patent in Apple's arsenal that doesn't apply to something that's been around for years, hence the complete absurdity of such patents ever being granted. So kindly please end this blind support and look at what is really going on here.
    1. iBanks's Avatar
      iBanks -
      Quote Originally Posted by Pinoy View Post
      At the end of the day if there are legit copyright infringements then apple did nothing wrong! Why wouldn't they pursue stopping them. That's why they had stuff patented. These other guys are well aware of what those things are so if they choose to implement those protected features this is the price they pay. If apples accusations had no Merritt it would be thrown out.
      And yet, still people on this board can't see the light of what you just said. I don't see how they can't understand this. Lol! Some say they wish Apple will stop trying to stop the competition and innovate more products instead. Well... They have innovated many products but the competition is stealing what's there's to promote their own products rather than innovating themselves. So where's the compromise in that...?

      As far as Apple stealing ideas.... Well, when it comes to patents... It's about who creates, then file for patent and becomes granted first with the licenses. It's not about who had the idea first. I have had many ideas come to mind, only to see it created elsewhere, do I have the right to say they stole my creation? No! I have nothing that solidifies that it's mine. A patent, trademark, copyright, etc is in place to do that. This is why Apple is able to do such things.
    1. MaStA819's Avatar
      MaStA819 -
      Quote Originally Posted by steve-z17 View Post
      If your comment is true then Apple would be trying to ban almost every smartphone running Android. Almost every one of them has some sort of gesture like that to get to the main screen, but they're not. There's a reason why they're after these two devices specifically, the software (from Google) has almost identical features to iOS, icons, UI, connector, shape, etc. The whole point of not letting others use your idea helps inspire innovation. Sure it's easier to grab something that's already been released and helping someone make millions of dollars, but that doesn't help the industry move forward at all. It would be awesome if Windows or Android came out with a totally different gesture to unlock your screen, it would certainly grab the attention of buyers! I guess to a Microsoft fan boy it doesn't really matter though....
      So I'm a Microsoft fan boy because we are talking about Apple wanting to ban Android phones? Ok...

      How are Android icons like iOS? If that is the case than iOS icons are like Windows icons. UI is definitely not the same either as I have ICS on my HP Touchpad and it is quite different than my iPhone. Connector...? Apple has their own proprietary connector so I don't know how this is true either. Pretty sure most Androids use a simple mini USB. Shapes are also different. The patent doesn't seem to speak about an exact gesture. If I understand it correctly it is stating that it protects the use of any gesture to unlock a phone. Also, didn't android have that gesture where you go from one circle to another a few times to unlock it as a security feature?

      Wake up and smell the fresh air buddy, because right now all you are smelling is the air Apple wants you to smell.

      Quote Originally Posted by iBanks View Post
      And yet, still people on this board can't see the light of what you just said. I don't see how they can't understand this. Lol! Some say they wish Apple will stop trying to stop the competition and innovate more products instead. Well... They have innovated many products but the competition is stealing what's there's to promote their own products rather than innovating themselves. So where's the compromise in that...?

      As far as Apple stealing ideas.... Well, when it comes to patents... It's about who creates, then file for patent and becomes granted first with the licenses. It's not about who had the idea first. I have had many ideas come to mind, only to see it created elsewhere, do I have the right to say they stole my creation? No! I have nothing that solidifies that it's mine. A patent, trademark, copyright, etc is in place to do that. This is why Apple is able to do such things.
      So what if an Android phone implemented a vague feature and Google didn't apply for a patent for it because they thought it was something too vague to apply for. Then Apple comes along and patents the feature, implements it in iOS, and sues Google. You think that is fair? I guess that would somehow still be "innovation" in your eyes since it doesn't matter who implements a feature first, it simply matters on who gets awarded a patent for it. I think Apple has some inside workings going on with whoever grants patents. Money takes you pretty far in this crooked world.
    1. znbl's Avatar
      znbl -
      ]As far as Apple stealing ideas.... Well, when it comes to patents... It's about who creates, then file for patent and becomes granted first with the licenses. It's not about who had the idea first. I have had many ideas come to mind, only to see it created elsewhere, do I have the right to say they stole my creation? No! I have nothing that solidifies that it's mine. A patent, trademark, copyright, etc is in place to do that. This is why Apple is able to do such things.
      You're still missing an important point about patents. The patent system was never meant to allow for every vague idea to be registered and trademarked. A patent is supposed to be for a UNIQUE and UNAMBIGUOUS idea or design. The gross majority of the patents Apple has filed or purchased are far from that criteria and yet some how they were allowed to do so, demonstrating how broken the system is. These patents should never have been allowed to come into existence in first place. Yes, it is about who filed first, but what you are missing (maybe deliberately) is that many of these patents, when they were granted, also applied to existing products, many of which have been around for over a decade, which is another reason the patents should have been rejected easily, if the system worked as advertised. Ergo, court proceedings like the one this thread is about should never have been able to take place since patents like the one there should never have been allowed in the first place. This is what people like you just want to ignore and/or refuse to understand.
    1. Gamemaster77's Avatar
      Gamemaster77 -
      Quote Originally Posted by iBanks View Post
      As far as Apple stealing ideas.... Well, when it comes to patents... It's about who creates, then file for patent and becomes granted first with the licenses. It's not about who had the idea first. I have had many ideas come to mind, only to see it created elsewhere, do I have the right to say they stole my creation? No! I have nothing that solidifies that it's mine. A patent, trademark, copyright, etc is in place to do that. This is why Apple is able to do such things.
      Actually, that's completely wrong, it is about who had the idea first. Of course, you can't just think of an idea and say nobody could patent it. But, if you were researching an idea, had proof that you came up with it (such as a stamp envelope from a previous date), then said company should not be able to patent it. Of course though, the system is broken, and it has failed to work this way.
    1. steve-z17's Avatar
      steve-z17 -
      Quote Originally Posted by MaStA819 View Post
      So I'm a Microsoft fan boy because we are talking about Apple wanting to ban Android phones? Ok...

      How are Android icons like iOS? If that is the case than iOS icons are like Windows icons. UI is definitely not the same either as I have ICS on my HP Touchpad and it is quite different than my iPhone. Connector...? Apple has their own proprietary connector so I don't know how this is true either. Pretty sure most Androids use a simple mini USB. Shapes are also different. The patent doesn't seem to speak about an exact gesture. If I understand it correctly it is stating that it protects the use of any gesture to unlock a phone. Also, didn't android have that gesture where you go from one circle to another a few times to unlock it as a security feature?

      Wake up and smell the fresh air buddy, because right now all you are smelling is the air Apple wants you to smell.
      That was meant to say "Google fan boy" but don't worry I'm allowed to say it because apparently if you stand up for a company you're automatically a "fan boy" of them according to you. I've read all the crap on both sides and everyone is entitled to their opinions. My whole point is that Apple DOES have patents and a Judge is saying that someone may be violating them. It doesn't matter how specific or general the patent is, it's still a patent and if Apple was the first to get a patent for the product/idea then it's theirs! Whether or not they were the one's that came up with the idea in the first place or not. If someone else came up with the idea but never got it patented it's their loss. It's a dog eat dog world out there, you've got to play tough and smart. So Apple has every right to pursue a ban.

      I know that you can't honestly say that if you had a patent or patents and someone was violating them and making money that should be going to you, that you wouldn't do a thing. Of course you would, you want to protect what's yours. I know both sides (Apple and Google) have their positives and negatives about them, and I'm not afraid to stand up for or against either of them, but as far as this is concerned I believe Apple has the right to protect their stuff. Now if Apple wanted to pursue a ban against the Nexus 7 Tablet then I wouldn't be very happy at all since I've pre-ordered mine already
      BTW, I like the air Apple is sending me, I also like the air Microsoft and Google send me as well. There's no need to hate on other companies just because you prefer another, that's no way to live.
    1. tongxinshe's Avatar
      tongxinshe -
      Quote Originally Posted by Slim J View Post
      I agree. Apple has gotten really out of control with this patent war in between Samsung, HTC and Motorola. I say this is not about the patents, but Apple bullying and unfairly eliminating competition. Apple is starting a monopoly in the smartphone industry and I think something should be done about it.
      How is it possible for Apple have monopoly? Android already has 60% smartphone market share and is growing faster than iPhone. The ban is on the first version of Nexus, which is already very outdated and generates near to zero sales by now. The latest S III is not affected.
    1. MaStA819's Avatar
      MaStA819 -
      Quote Originally Posted by tongxinshe View Post
      How is it possible for Apple have monopoly? Android already has 60% smartphone market share and is growing faster than iPhone. The ban is on the first version of Nexus, which is already very outdated and generates near to zero sales by now. The latest S III is not affected.
      So is the Galaxy Nexus pictured here not the one that was banned? https://play.google.com/store/device...axy_nexus_hspa

      I'm working on getting my iPhone 4 unlocked through AT&T and I will be selling it and buying an Android for the time being I think. I'd like to wait for Windows Phone 8, but selling my iPhone 4 now before the "5" or whatever next comes out is probably the best bet to get the most money for it. I might just get the Galaxy Nexus currently being sold and try Straight Talk out for a while and see how I like it.

      Thanks!