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  • FaceTime Over Cellular to Be Limited to the New iPad and iPhone 4S


    Unfortunately, another feature of iOS 6 that has been widely looked forward to will be limited to only Apple's newer devices. FaceTime over cellular networks seems to only be coming to the new iPad and the iPhone 4S. In what seems like a desperate attempt by Apple to keep people upgrading to newer devices every year, FaceTime over cellular networks will join Siri and Maps' new turn-by-turn directions as an iPhone 4S and new iPad-only feature regardless of older devices such as the iPhone 4 being capable of the features.

    The iPad 2 joins the party with the iPhone 4 in FaceTime-capable devices that won't be getting the 'over cellular' feature in iOS 6 even though it has an A5 processor. The iPod touch 4G never had cellular service from the beginning, so it is not much of a surprise that this device isn't getting the feature.

    Although the news is a letdown for people owning older iOS devices, anyone with the newer iOS devices like the new iPad and the iPhone 4S should be happy knowing that they will have the feature. Older devices will have to wait for a jailbreak-based solution to get FaceTime over cellular networks. As an alternative, an older device could tether (or share a cellular connection) with any other tethering-enabled iOS device to use FaceTime from anywhere without a jailbreak.

    Most older iOS device users will be able to make do with third-party FaceTime alternatives such as Skype and Tango as they are widely used by iOS users. Additionally, users can still use Wi-Fi as usual.

    Sources: AppleInsider
    This article was originally published in forum thread: FaceTime Over Cellular to Be Limited to the New iPad and iPhone 4S? started by Anthony Bouchard View original post
    Comments 45 Comments
    1. celeron's Avatar
      celeron -
      I'm so glad tweaks like facebreak exist
    1. Anthony Bouchard's Avatar
      Anthony Bouchard -
      Quote Originally Posted by celeron View Post
      I'm so glad tweaks like facebreak exist
      It won't help for now. iOS 6 won't be jailbroken for a while.
    1. thazsar's Avatar
      thazsar -
      Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Bouchard View Post
      It won't help for now. iOS 6 won't be jailbroken for a while.
      Let's hope that won't be the case. I realize @Musclenerd's exploit is due to the hardware BUT they might find something in the beta releases...👍
    1. i.Annie's Avatar
      i.Annie -
      Quote Originally Posted by Zokunei View Post
      Keep in mind that iOS 6 will likely become public about the same time as the new iPhone, so it isn't like Apple is making you buy the very latest phone.
      Of course Apple isn't making you buy the newest iPhone. But if you want Siri without having to go through with finding free servers that work or paying for servers, you need at least a 4S. Evidently now if you want FaceTime over cell data (of course jailbreakers have this workaround quite easily, but also for the general audience who may not jb) you also have to have at least a 4S. The 4 isn't an outdated device and evidently it runs Siri just fine and efficiently on a 4, so this actually does force people to buy a new iPhone if they want Siri or whatever else Apple will support on the 4S but not on the 4. So just bc iOS 6 is open to the public for older devices like the 4 and iPad 2 doesn't mean all the nifty features can all be applied to those devices as demonstrated here.
    1. Xx_Illusions_xX's Avatar
      Xx_Illusions_xX -
      It's really stupid how iPhone 4 can't use FaceTime over 3G, use turn by turn directions, use 3D maps, and doesn't get Siri. Well thank God there's a jailbreak. I'm not worried about the jailbreak taking months to develop. Thank God I have my SHSH blobs saved
    1. Zokunei's Avatar
      Zokunei -
      Quote Originally Posted by i.Annie View Post
      Of course Apple isn't making you buy the newest iPhone. But if you want Siri without having to go through with finding free servers that work or paying for servers, you need at least a 4S. Evidently now if you want FaceTime over cell data (of course jailbreakers have this workaround quite easily, but also for the general audience who may not jb) you also have to have at least a 4S. The 4 isn't an outdated device and evidently it runs Siri just fine and efficiently on a 4, so this actually does force people to buy a new iPhone if they want Siri or whatever else Apple will support on the 4S but not on the 4. So just bc iOS 6 is open to the public for older devices like the 4 and iPad 2 doesn't mean all the nifty features can all be applied to those devices as demonstrated here.
      What they did with Siri was definitely because they didn't have any legitimate hardware limitations for it, like they did with FaceTime on the 4. I think they should've just left it at limiting the maps this time around though, if they're going to do it at all. It certainly is disappointing that the 4S didn't have a feature that the previous iPhones actually couldn't run. At least from the iPhone 4 on we should be able to get most of the things that Apple decides to restrict by jailbreaking.

      Also what I was saying was that by the time iOS 6 is made public and not a developer release the new iPhone should be close to coming out, meaning that upgrading from a 4 would probably be a good choice anyway. I wasn't saying that the 4 is getting all the features from iOS 6 right now.
    1. Beastly L92's Avatar
      Beastly L92 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy2069 View Post
      This is bad business in so many ways. iPhone 4 is what brought FaceTime it should get the ability to do it anywhere. iPad 2 is exactly the same as 4s y can't it have Siri? I understand wanting people to upgrade but what about those that can't pay the $500 bill and wait for the new stuff to come out so the others go down? If your going to make something you should support it to its fullest .and since the iPhone 4 came out with FaceTime the 4s brought Siri what's the 5 got?
      Says business expert, Jeremy2069.

      Meanwhile, in the real world, Apple's stock prices keep going up.

      Why would Apple cater to people with no money? If they did, THAT would be a bad business model. Companies that do, usually have to operate behind bulletproof glass.
    1. vantheman169's Avatar
      vantheman169 -
      This is why I require a jailbreak! Without it, I don't know if I could own an iPhone. All free tweaks on cydia that Apple should have installed is ridiculous. But thats why we jailbreak! "I Do what I want!"
    1. iRevival's Avatar
      iRevival -
      Quote Originally Posted by thazsar View Post
      Out of curiosity, have u ever tried to upgrade early? I ask cuz I am able to upgrade annually even though I sign a two-year contract. I've gotten the new iPhone every year!

      Wondering if anybody else gets to do the same thing I do...
      I do the same thing. I've early upgraded ever since the 3G. They don't do it for everyone though. If you are late on your bill or have an older model or have a low plan they will tell you no. My girlfriend got screwed over twice before I added her to my plan.
    1. novadam's Avatar
      novadam -
      do people really use facetime that much? i mean, I NEVER use it. I've got a 4s so I'll be able to get this feature (though I could do it now, since I have 3G unrestrictor), but I just don't care since I don't use it. and I thought most people didn't use it, either.
    1. thazsar's Avatar
      thazsar -
      Quote Originally Posted by itslivo View Post
      I do the same thing. I've early upgraded ever since the 3G. They don't do it for everyone though. If you are late on your bill or have an older model or have a low plan they will tell you no. My girlfriend got screwed over twice before I added her to my plan.
      Finally!!! Somebody else to confirm this!

      Quote Originally Posted by novadam View Post
      do people really use facetime that much? i mean, I NEVER use it. I've got a 4s so I'll be able to get this feature (though I could do it now, since I have 3G unrestrictor), but I just don't care since I don't use it. and I thought most people didn't use it, either.
      +1, me neither!!!
    1. GmAz's Avatar
      GmAz -
      Quote Originally Posted by MarkSta1 View Post
      Is it really that hard to understand why it's simply BAD business to allow older devices to have the same capabilities as new ones? If older iPhones can do everything the 4s can, there's little to no reason to upgrade! The new release devices must have at least some exclusive features.
      My oh my have you been drinking soooo much of the coolaid. Hardware = features. Software is what runs on that new hardware. If your 6 month old phone has the ability to do everything the new one does but is restricted simply because Apple wants you to buy a new device, that is what I call bad business. If you bought a TV that after 2 years of owning it would stop displaying 1080p content simply because the manufacturer knew something new and better would be out in 2 years even though 1080p is still the max standard? If a car was to stop working after 5 years because the newest generation gets 2 miles better gas mileage.

      Look at the new MacBook lineup. Pretty much nothing is upgradeable. What if next year they released a new version of MacOSX and even though the hardware was 100% the same on a new lineup of MacBooks, they decided that only the new ones could get the new verison of OSX. Hell, they do that already to a point. They force users to buy new versions of software even though old versions work just fine on their new OSX versions.
    1. T4R06's Avatar
      T4R06 -
      It's not apple it's the provider! I have iOS 6 developer preview on my ip4s and I tried si many times calling FaceTime over cellular and it works really great! Also, On the other line telling me that my camera is very clear! I'm on Verizon. And also, YouTube is displaying HD even on cellular network too!
    1. GnatGoSplat's Avatar
      GnatGoSplat -
      Quote Originally Posted by MarkSta1 View Post
      Is it really that hard to understand why it's simply BAD business to allow older devices to have the same capabilities as new ones? If older iPhones can do everything the 4s can, there's little to no reason to upgrade! The new release devices must have at least some exclusive features.
      Good for businesses, bad for consumers, bad for the environment (very wasteful).
      Although definitely true. If it were at all possible to run iOS 5, even a stripped-down version, on my old original iPhone, I might still have it!

      Quote Originally Posted by i.Annie View Post
      FaceTime doesn't really affect me but the concept of limiting older devices seriously pisses me off.
      It pissed my wife off too, when iOS 4 came out on the 3G, but not the original iPhone which has identical hardware specs other than 2G vs 3G data rates. She hates the idea of planned obsolescence so much, she switched to Android and swears she will never buy an Apple product ever again!

      I will admit that the recent news of a lot of new iOS 6 features not being enabled on the iPhone 4 has me window-shopping Android phones, though I think I'll probably end up with a 4S.
    1. thazsar's Avatar
      thazsar -
      Quote Originally Posted by GnatGoSplat View Post
      I will admit that the recent news of a lot of new iOS 6 features not being enabled on the iPhone 4 has me window-shopping Android phones, though I think I'll probably end up with a 4S.
      But isn't it true that w/ a lot of Android devices, you simply 'can't get a new OS??? Don't they sell some new Androids whose OS is already old and cannot be upgraded? I can't speak from experience and it's all hear-say but at least an iPhone OS Update is guaranteed for a couple years...
    1. GnatGoSplat's Avatar
      GnatGoSplat -
      Quote Originally Posted by thazsar View Post
      But isn't it true that w/ a lot of Android devices, you simply 'can't get a new OS??? Don't they sell new Androids whose OS is already old and cannot be upgraded? I can't speak from experience and it's all hear-say but at least an iPhone OS Update is guaranteed for a a couple years...
      Yes and no.
      Most manufacturers are similar to Apple in that they may discontinue support for new Android OS upgrades after maybe a couple new versions. Some are indeed so bad that they'll release a device and never upgrade it.

      However, Android is open-source, so there is always a community of enthusiasts porting unofficial Android upgrades to older devices. For example, there is even a guy who has ported last year's Android Gingerbread to a 2003-era HTC phone and he has a version of the latest Ice Cream Sandwich that will boot, but is too buggy for prime time. Almost every popular Android phone has unofficial upgrades to whatever the current version of Android is. There is even a team of people called Cyanogenmod where porting current versions of Android to other devices, newer and older, is their specialty. Of course, being that custom firmware isn't manufacturer supported or tested, there is always the risk that a user-built Android could be unstable.
    1. NCvikingx97's Avatar
      NCvikingx97 -
      Really f'ed me over. I bought an iphone 4 16 gig at about the same time the iphone 4s came out, but do to it being on backorder until christmas, I went with the 4. It is sad that apple is screwing people over, honestly, I could have had these types of features with a year old android phone
    1. Brian3dee's Avatar
      Brian3dee -
      Honest folks, why all the up in arms over the CURRENT limitations of iOS 6 BETA? From an early release perspective, it makes sense to limit the features of certain apps or functions to current, and near current hardware. Once the current and new current hardware bugs are worked out, then you back step to an earlier version of hardware. That's all part of the BETA testing, preview phase.

      Someone with better memory then mine, please chime in on this point; didn't we go through the samething with the BETA/Preview release of iOS5? Were some features initially ONLY worked on the most current iPhone 4, iPad2, and fourth Gen iPod touch? Lets keep things in perspective before jumping on a band wagon, and calling out the linch mob, and wait till the final GOLD release of iOS 6. Then it will be writen in fruit, I mean stone, with regards to what hardware is supported, and which is not.

      In the mean time, I would much rather read honest opinions over the new features found, how they might impact the user, and the wisdom of it.
    1. T4R06's Avatar
      T4R06 -
      Double post
    1. zplit's Avatar
      zplit -
      This is the reason why we JB!!