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  • WSJ: iPad 4G LTE is a 'Speed Trap'


    If you haven't yet personally tinkered with a new iPad and its 4G LTE connectivity, you are probably unaware of just how blazing fast the third-generation tablet streams video and performs in general when connected. When Apple said the tablet delivers speeds 10x faster than what we experienced on 3G, the tech giant wasn't fibbing.

    And that's all fine and good... except for how quickly users are now capable of blowing past their data caps. According to the Wall Street Journal today, the new iPad is nothing short of a veritable "speed trap." Just look at the example of Brandon Wells, a young man who acquired his new iPad last Friday and by Saturday night, streaming March Madness games "had burned through his monthly wireless data allotment of two gigabytes."

    "It's kind of a Catch-22," Wells admits to the venerable financial publication. "It streams really fast video, but by streaming really fast video you tend to watch more video, and that's not always best."

    Of course, it didn't take the WSJ to tell us that which we have already come to realize. The new iPad is going to be very costly to the data hogs of the tablet world. And as a result, pressure could mount on wireless carriers to do something about it, specifically by revising their pricing models.

    Source: WSJ
    This article was originally published in forum thread: WSJ: iPad 4G LTE is a 'Speed Trap' started by Michael Essany View original post
    Comments 44 Comments
    1. budsalinger's Avatar
      budsalinger -
      Quote Originally Posted by icedming View Post
      Unlimited will not happen, This is America land of the GREED. More for me less for you principle, its why we are so great. Lets face it unlimited is gone and Sprint unlimited on Iphone averages about .52 MB per second. That's a little better than throttled Att, I usually get around .32 since the case. The amount of data that it takes to stream HD is astronomical. If everyone was to stream at high rates, who knows it might or might not bog down any one particular network. Lets face it would you take a pay cut once you got to the top just so that you could keep jobs in America that nobody wants anyways because we are lazy. Tim Cook sure would not do that, so why would cellular companies cut their profits so that you could stream unlimited. HAHA your hilarious.
      You're not necessarily wrong, but...... I could see a world where they could actually get more money by giving group plans rather than individual and charging less for more gigs. Currently I have 4 iphones on my company's ATT plan. Mine is unlimited $30. 2 @ $25 for 2gigs per line and 1@ $30 for 3 gigs. Taking into account that my "unlimited" gets throttled at 3 gigs you can figure I pay $110/month for 10 gigs. I would gladly pay $150 for 20 gigs for the entire group. Thats more money for ATT and more gigs for me. Seems it would be a win/win.
    1. Rokesomesmeefer's Avatar
      Rokesomesmeefer -
      Quote Originally Posted by lfecefl View Post
      America is full of unthankful, greedy cry-babies who think they deserve everything. Shame.
      Indeed. And they call themselves "corporations". Unfortunately, the majority of the population consists of idiots that are easily brainwashed by those same corporations to believe that we aren't entitled to receive that which they have promised us and for which we have paid.

      How's the kool-aid? Refreshing?
    1. Imahottguy's Avatar
      Imahottguy -
      I think what they really mean is that NEW customers are not realizing how much data they are going through when they decide to watch every March Madness game over LTE. That said, I think we will see the data cap raised, even if only by a gig or two once LTE is on every phone they sell. I use my iPad1 very often, more than my computer, and I have the unlimited plan. There are some months where I go over 2GB in data, but most months I am under that threshold. Also, I have Wifi off most of the time, so I can leave my home network un-congested. Those that are going up to like 10GB a month, what are you doing online? Are you netflixing all day long? At my last job, there were some nights that I watched netflix over 3G like all night, but still would stay well under 2GB. I would be curious, so I would check my usage periodically, not that it mattered since I had unlimited. Once I get my hands on an LTE iPad, I wonder how low my speed would be if/when it is throttled? If they dropped me down to 3G speeds, I would still be a happy camper. Sure I wouldn't be spanking my home connection, but I would still be able to do what I do comfortably.

      Quote Originally Posted by steve-z17 View Post
      ... Soon it'll be like when ppl were suing McDonalds because they were getting fat from eating there. People will want to sue AT&T because they keep watching more videos on LTE because its so fast. SELF CONTROL!!
      That is perhaps the worst analogy one could apply to this scenario. AT&T is charging you once for your data allotment each month, if you go over, you either pay more or don't use it for the rest of said month. Self control? Yes, we "rack a disciprin" apparently. The sue McDonalds because you're fat analogy? I cannot see how that applies here. If people were suing AT&T because they were suckered into lengthy contracts… wait, nope, still doesn't apply.

      At the end of the day, none of this matters. AT&T sets how much access (essentially) that we have to the web. We go over the limit, we either pay more or GTFO.
    1. SergeantMAC's Avatar
      SergeantMAC -
      Quote Originally Posted by Rokesomesmeefer View Post
      Indeed. And they call themselves "corporations". Unfortunately, the majority of the population consists of idiots that are easily brainwashed by those same corporations to believe that we aren't entitled to receive that which they have promised us and for which we have paid.

      How's the kool-aid? Refreshing?
      U no doubt have bought a product from one of these corporations. To say the majority of the American population are idiots highlights how other countries media brainwash against Americans. I could care less what people think of my country because being the big kid on the playground of life always provokes jealousy and malice. Enjoy your day.
    1. steve-z17's Avatar
      steve-z17 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Imahottguy View Post
      That is perhaps the worst analogy one could apply to this scenario. AT&T is charging you once for your data allotment each month, if you go over, you either pay more or don't use it for the rest of said month. Self control? Yes, we "rack a disciprin" apparently. The sue McDonalds because you're fat analogy? I cannot see how that applies here. If people were suing AT&T because they were suckered into lengthy contracts… wait, nope, still doesn't apply.

      That's because you're looking into my comment too deeply....people were suing/blaming McDonalds because they were getting fat from eating their food when actually the person just needed to learn self-control and not eat fast food from them all the time. People will want to sue/blame AT&T because they charge so much for data that when they use up all their data on LTE they will have to pay more for more data. When really the user just needs self-control and not keep watching more stuff on LTE. The point is self-control, it's not that hard to understand unless you're looking into it too deeply, which you were. It was just a quick fun way of connecting the two, so take a chill pill!
    1. c0dy's Avatar
      c0dy -
      Down with Data Limits! Down with Data Limits!
    1. politicalslug's Avatar
      politicalslug -
      Quote Originally Posted by Greatbiguns View Post
      Can anyone say TRUE "UNLIMITED", "FAST" - DATA PLAN?
      Anyone?
      Yes. That's what I get from the cable company... from a cable, not a wireless device. Until Kirk and Spock come back to the future and show us how to use FTL subspace communication methods this will continue to be a problem.
    1. QuinnD's Avatar
      QuinnD -
      Lol that guy is an idiot. He needs to know streaming video uses the most data. You can't expect to stream a lot of video and have 2 gb be enough. He's just dumb.
    1. londaman's Avatar
      londaman -
      Apple should allow users to "cap" download speeds with software. I've burned through 2 gigs of data in 2 days streaming Netflix for about an hour each day. The quality is amazing, but data usage is off the charts.
    1. indyracer05's Avatar
      indyracer05 -
      In my opinion, Cell phone services like AT&T and Verizon are wayyy overpricing the data amount!! I mean c'mon! its 2012, technology has changed and so has the amount of data used because of the capability the new technology has. This is craaaaaazzzzyyyy for us sooo much money each month for the same amount of data for the past decade. Every few years the plans should change as does the technology. This is BS and people should realize we are being scammed. I agree our plans shouldnt be unlimited at LEAST raise the cap to like 5 or 10 gigs per plan, just sayin'
    1. ChicagoV's Avatar
      ChicagoV -
      People just have to have some restraint and take responsibility for their use. "It's faster so you're gonna want to watch/stream more..." - sorry, that's on you then. Just like with anything else. You get a car that can go 200mph, you're going to keep your driving within limits - occasionally showing off the engine in select, appropriate (or emergency) circumstances, or you're going to concede paying fines and having your license suspended. In the case of an LTE tablet, you'll monitor your use responsibly, or you'll pay outrageous fees and end up with your data being throttled. The carriers aren't obligated to do anything - sure, it would be nice if they did, but yeah... good luck with that. Just because you have access to something doesn't mean you have to (in typical American fashion) abuse it. In this instance, you're paying for it - out the a**, if you're not careful.
    1. Truckerbear's Avatar
      Truckerbear -
      Unlimited AT&T iPad data plan for me. Thankyouverymuch!
    1. Kmoney1000's Avatar
      Kmoney1000 -
      See all this AT&T talk makes me glad I am a Verizon customer and have unlimited everything for $45 a month. had it long ago. the thing that Verizon has my respect for is they didn't come back and give me some bull crap about well, unlimited... as a word has been taken in the wrong light... so it is OK for us to "throttle" your ever needed gadgets. no they just took it off the table and still honored the commitment they made.
    1. angel_92701's Avatar
      angel_92701 -
      Quote Originally Posted by steve-z17 View Post
      There's no one to blame except the user, they have control of how much they watch and when/where they watch it. Obviously watching it on wi-fi would be the best solution, but if you can't connect to it for some reason then just control how much you watch while on LTE. It's not that difficult. Soon it'll be like when ppl were suing McDonalds because they were getting fat from eating there. People will want to sue AT&T because they keep watching more videos on LTE because its so fast. SELF CONTROL!!
      Wifi is good option, but with HD content will slow down the network at your house. Example, my att internet is 6MB. If I'm watching hd content on the iPad ,from 6 mb goes down to 3MB, for other devices including my mac. And if i have other, like iPod or iPhone connected it almost impossible to browse the net. And i don't have other option on internet provider other then ATT.
      some times on my mac. I want to watch the apple wwdc, on 1080p and freezes all video long the only video i can watch is 720 with some drops on the speed. If i have the iPad and the mac watching the same video or my kid is using the iPod. we end up canceling the video because pauses a lot.
      My iPhone 4gs its faster then my home internet. I have unlimited data plan but don't want to. pass the cap(3Gigs).By the way, not all content on the web, like youtube has Hd videos , but youtube detects you speed and sends video on HD regardless the video quality.
    1. br8thw8's Avatar
      br8thw8 -
      My problem is with the cell phone companies with the way they advertise their fast 4G/LTE networks. They show you how you can stream movies, TV, music, etc, anywhere and anywhere fast. But if you try do actually do what they say you can do you'd be paying a lot of money per month in overage charges. They should stop advertising how they have this super fast network until they can actually handle the bandwidth at an affordable price. Personally I wanted to stream baseball games using the MLB app, and I wanted to do this everyday at work. My employer has the Internet on our work computers locked down. So I tried to do this with my iPad 2 and a Verizon 4G MiFi. Well, it turns out that streaming one baseball game can easily burn through 2-3GB of data. Cell companies are not ready for prime time when it comes to providing high speed connections to the masses, and until they are they need to stop advertising like its something we can all do.

      I want true unlimited unthrottled fast Internet! How much would you be willing to pay for that?
    1. Ozdude's Avatar
      Ozdude -
      At least LTE works for the new iPad in the US/Canada. Great to be in Australia and most of the other international 4G countries who utilise the other LTE frequencies like 1800mhz! Thanks Apple for only considering the home market with the lack a of tri-band 4G LTE chipset. Let me guess, the next iPad will miraculously contain said tri-band chipset! Glad to know my 6gig plan will be more than enough if I do buy one as a result lol. But hey might just stay with the iPad 1!
    1. DieselVexx's Avatar
      DieselVexx -
      I might not live long enough to see it but something will give. U can't just keep ripping people off for a profit.
    1. steve-z17's Avatar
      steve-z17 -
      Quote Originally Posted by angel_92701 View Post
      Wifi is good option, but with HD content will slow down the network at your house. Example, my att internet is 6MB. If I'm watching hd content on the iPad ,from 6 mb goes down to 3MB, for other devices including my mac. And if i have other, like iPod or iPhone connected it almost impossible to browse the net. And i don't have other option on internet provider other then ATT.
      some times on my mac. I want to watch the apple wwdc, on 1080p and freezes all video long the only video i can watch is 720 with some drops on the speed. If i have the iPad and the mac watching the same video or my kid is using the iPod. we end up canceling the video because pauses a lot.
      My iPhone 4gs its faster then my home internet. I have unlimited data plan but don't want to. pass the cap(3Gigs).By the way, not all content on the web, like youtube has Hd videos , but youtube detects you speed and sends video on HD regardless the video quality.
      I completely understand that and I know it's hard with AT&T breathing down our necks about using a ton of data (even though it's "unlimited"), so our options are limited. Using wi-fi when possible (even if it slows down the network) is still the best option in my mind. Especially if you don't want AT&T slowing down your speeds cause you used too much data.
    1. quidam_brujah's Avatar
      quidam_brujah -
      Quote Originally Posted by KraXik View Post
      Remember all the crap Apple got for not making the 4S LTE? Now they have an iPad LTE, let's give them more hate for making it too fast.

      Pathetic.
      +1

      Quote Originally Posted by steve-z17 View Post
      I completely understand that and I know it's hard with AT&T breathing down our necks about using a ton of data (even though it's "unlimited"), so our options are limited. Using wi-fi when possible (even if it slows down the network) is still the best option in my mind. Especially if you don't want AT&T slowing down your speeds cause you used too much data.
      I got the Verizon new IPad, and I find that popping in my 4S SIM gets me the data I need without spending any more money. Now all we need is to see if we can just plug in the new APN info for AT&T and see if that's enough to get you LTE or if they do some other check -- and how/if it show up on my iPhone bill...
    1. ernestdefoe's Avatar
      ernestdefoe -
      Well using wifi is all well and good when you are at home or somewhere that offers it. I on the other hand am not in that situation. I'm an over the road truck driver and I'm only home a few days a month. I eat through my 3GB before I get throttled just a few days into the bill cycle. I don't always have the luxury of wifi. I got to have something to keep me entertained. I won't lie I watch Netflix a lot and Skype with my wife often. I'm out here making sure the goods you buy when you go shopping is there when you need/want it and I'm being punished because I don't have access to wifi all the time. I think the cap to be throttled should be something like 10GB cause I rarely even with Netflix and Skype hit that.