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  • Trump to Apple: Bring Jobs Back to the U.S.


    Donald Trump, speaking on his favorite media outlet Fox News, said Tim Cook should move Apple’s production plants to the U.S.

    Trumps interview and response come in lieu of a New York Times article written last week that described in great detail why the things Apple builds can’t be built in the United States. Trumps decree to Apple is simple:

    "Wouldn't it be a great thing if the new leader of Apple said we're going to start building plants in the United States.”

    However, even Trump, the horrible business man that he is, concedes “Maybe the incentives not there.” But, he does make a valid point, that a company like Apple, with its roots engrained in American culture, should maybe manufacture even a small percentage of their products state side.

    Simplifying the problems outlined in the NYT article, Apple’s production process is extremely human-intensive and requires massive work forces that can be mobilized in an instant. This is in stark contrast to a company like Intel, where highly automated machinery and well compensated employees dominate their production plants. But, component construction is a much more precise production process than product assembly.

    The great irony of Trump’s statements, they mirror sentiments expressed by President Obama in his efforts to bring manufacturing back to the U.S. Perhaps lost on everyone involved, the U.S. is in a post-industrial era, where knowledge and ideas are more valuable than the ability to assemble. Attempting to move an entire country back in time to its manufacturing heyday isn’t the solution to job creation.

    But, that’s a long-winded sociological argument better suited for academia.

    Source: CNET
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Trump to Apple: Bring Jobs Back to the U.S. started by Phillip Swanson View original post
    Comments 37 Comments
    1. Feanor64's Avatar
      Feanor64 -
      tell that to the people in the unemployment line most ppl who live in the u.s dont set at a desk they actually work whether its a trucker a logger a teacher a policeman a garbageman they arent living in a post industrial age and if u think that your living in a apple fanboy world
    1. GTOhaas07's Avatar
      GTOhaas07 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Feanor64 View Post
      tell that to the people in the unemployment line most ppl who live in the u.s dont set at a desk they actually work whether its a trucker a logger a teacher a policeman a garbageman they arent living in a post industrial age and if u think that your living in a apple fanboy world
      I bet those people in the unemployment line have something in common with you, lack of proper grammar knowledge. How can you make an argument to bring workers back to the US while advertising a complete lack of knowledge of something that should be easy to grasp. Either you really have no idea how to properly use punctuation or you are just lazy. Either way, it is just another example of why companies like Apple are keeping the white collar jobs stateside and the manufacturing jobs elsewhere.
    1. Zokunei's Avatar
      Zokunei -
      I love to imagine Trump as vice President or Secretary of State, for the lulz.

      It's not really ironic that everyone would say that America needs more manufacturing jobs. It would be ironic if they agreed on how to achieve this. Perhaps political analysis isn't exactly this site's forte?
    1. hckyxc4pt4in's Avatar
      hckyxc4pt4in -
      I dont believe people would buy the idevices. If i had to pay $500-600 for my iPhone 4 16gb, i dont think i would have bought it. I know i would not have bought my iPad 16gb $800-900. Here is an article discussing the prices: How Much Would the iPad 2 Cost If It Were Made in the U.S.? About $1,140 - Derek Thompson - Business - The Atlantic. So now people dont buy their stuff and then unemployment goes back up because of their lack of sales. People (like "The Donald") need to sometimes think before speaking on certain issues that they are unfamiliar with.
    1. bigliquid530's Avatar
      bigliquid530 -
      I thought this article was gonna be about Ivanka Trump coming to apple not this Jack Azz.... LoL
    1. Kieranl89's Avatar
      Kieranl89 -
      Silly Mr Trump, you really believe in reincarnation?
    1. awsy44's Avatar
      awsy44 -
      I think trump should stick to being a douche and firing people on his show, that talking about how he wants to help the U.S, most of the american companies have left the U.S to manufacture somewhere else so they can compete with the asian companies such as Samsung and Sony. Apple aren't waiting for trump to give his wiseass opinions about how they run things.
    1. iLoveWindows&iPhone's Avatar
      iLoveWindows&iPhone -
      "the U.S. is in a post-industrial era, where knowledge and ideas are more valuable than the ability to assemble."

      What? Yes, of course knowledge and ideas are more valuable than "the ability to assemble". This has been true since the beginning of mankind. But for the masses, for billions of people on earth, having "the ability to assemble" allows them to make a living, to survive. Unfortunately, there is a limited number of people that can benefit financially from knowledge and ideas.
    1. MikePA's Avatar
      MikePA -
      Since when did modmyi become a place for the so called authors to vent their political opinions? Find some other site to do that.
    1. CZroe's Avatar
      CZroe -
      Quote Originally Posted by GTOhaas07 View Post
      I bet those people in the unemployment line have something in common with you, lack of proper grammar knowledge. How can you make an argument to bring workers back to the US while advertising a complete lack of knowledge of something that should be easy to grasp. Either you really have no idea how to properly use punctuation or you are just lazy. Either way, it is just another example of why companies like Apple are keeping the white collar jobs stateside and the manufacturing jobs elsewhere.
      Yeah. He's ALMOST as bad as Phillip Swanson, who wrote the piece he's responding too.
      "Trumps...Trumps...Trump's." I guess one out of three ain't bad.
      But the list goes on:
      "incentives...engrained..."
    1. AUZambo's Avatar
      AUZambo -
      Quote Originally Posted by GTOhaas07 View Post
      I bet those people in the unemployment line have something in common with you, lack of proper grammar knowledge. How can you make an argument to bring workers back to the US while advertising a complete lack of knowledge of something that should be easy to grasp. Either you really have no idea how to properly use punctuation or you are just lazy. Either way, it is just another example of why companies like Apple are keeping the white collar jobs stateside and the manufacturing jobs elsewhere.
      This entire post is a huge reach. Do you honestly believe companies are outsourcing to other countries because the factory workers have better grammar there?

      If anything, your whole post - IF it's true - would be a reason to send the white collar jobs elsewhere to those who possess better grammar and keep the factory jobs here in America.
    1. boxxa's Avatar
      boxxa -
      Quote Originally Posted by Feanor64 View Post
      tell that to the people in the unemployment line most ppl who live in the u.s dont set at a desk they actually work whether its a trucker a logger a teacher a policeman a garbageman they arent living in a post industrial age and if u think that your living in a apple fanboy world
      It is not Apple's job to create jobs. Its the US Governments job to make it friendly for companies like Apple to produce products here and yes, while there is people all over the world doing very basic work in production plants, there is still a large number of Apple employees that work in the US and are of the skilled labor force.
    1. 1shuttle1's Avatar
      1shuttle1 -
      Quote Originally Posted by GTOhaas07 View Post
      I bet those people in the unemployment line have something in common with you, lack of proper grammar knowledge. How can you make an argument to bring workers back to the US while advertising a complete lack of knowledge of something that should be easy to grasp. Either you really have no idea how to properly use punctuation or you are just lazy. Either way, it is just another example of why companies like Apple are keeping the white collar jobs stateside and the manufacturing jobs elsewhere.
      Not sure how beating up on someone about grammar has anything to do with solving the problem for workers. Whether it be here(unemployment) or abroad (working conditions), something needs to be done.

      On another note as I am typing this, the local news here in Philadelphia brings up a story about people signing a petition to get apple to help employees abroad. Here is the link.

      Human Rights Petition: Apple: Protect Workers Making iPhones in Chinese Factories | Change.org

      Over 150,000 signatures already. So somebody cares about what Apple is doing(or not doing).
    1. trek-life's Avatar
      trek-life -
      Quote Originally Posted by MikePA View Post
      Since when did modmyi become a place for the so called authors to vent their political opinions? Find some other site to do that.
      Lol, you want to regulate what writers in an open forum write about? Freedom speech goes right along with freedom to ignore. I'm sure this opinion won't ruin your day that much...at least I hope it won't.
    1. The6uest's Avatar
      The6uest -
      Quote Originally Posted by Kieranl89 View Post
      Silly Mr Trump, you really believe in reincarnation?
      Good one!
    1. spyder2005's Avatar
      spyder2005 -
      Donald should donate some money for a good cause first before telling others what "good things they should do." His tax statement says he donated $0. Considering he has his own foundation, i'd keep my mouth shut if I was him .... Thats just sad.
    1. cpotoso's Avatar
      cpotoso -
      Apple fan boys always attacking when someone points out how crappy apple policies are (sue everyone, sue everyone and sue everyone; plus have some slaves in china working for you). They really look worse than the plantation owners of the deep south of the US.
    1. tekwiz's Avatar
      tekwiz -
      Quote Originally Posted by Feanor64 View Post
      tell that to the people in the unemployment line most ppl who live in the u.s dont set at a desk they actually work whether its a trucker a logger a teacher a policeman a garbageman they arent living in a post industrial age and if u think that your living in a apple fanboy world
      Trump is a moron, the one factory alone has 230,000 people working there, try to find cities in the US that have a workforce that is 230,000 people strong....and with the skills needed here, now find the 4 yr degree engineers to oversee them, you need 8,700. It takes them a little over a week to source 8,700 college grads with the skills needed, it would take us almost a year. The workforce doesn't exist here to support what Apple is doing. Trump is the biggest asshat going.
    1. idkanymore's Avatar
      idkanymore -
      The government will have to create serious incentives to make a plant here that would at least be close to what they are getting from building plants elsewhere. They aren't going to raise the prices on their products just to move their products here which will reduce sales. Yeah maybe some people will buy it because it's made in USA but a much larger majority won't care and simply look at the new price tag and walk away.
    1. mbouchamekh's Avatar
      mbouchamekh -
      Hhhhhhh wood's language