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  • Trump to Apple: Bring Jobs Back to the U.S.


    Donald Trump, speaking on his favorite media outlet Fox News, said Tim Cook should move Apple’s production plants to the U.S.

    Trumps interview and response come in lieu of a New York Times article written last week that described in great detail why the things Apple builds can’t be built in the United States. Trumps decree to Apple is simple:

    "Wouldn't it be a great thing if the new leader of Apple said we're going to start building plants in the United States.”

    However, even Trump, the horrible business man that he is, concedes “Maybe the incentives not there.” But, he does make a valid point, that a company like Apple, with its roots engrained in American culture, should maybe manufacture even a small percentage of their products state side.

    Simplifying the problems outlined in the NYT article, Apple’s production process is extremely human-intensive and requires massive work forces that can be mobilized in an instant. This is in stark contrast to a company like Intel, where highly automated machinery and well compensated employees dominate their production plants. But, component construction is a much more precise production process than product assembly.

    The great irony of Trump’s statements, they mirror sentiments expressed by President Obama in his efforts to bring manufacturing back to the U.S. Perhaps lost on everyone involved, the U.S. is in a post-industrial era, where knowledge and ideas are more valuable than the ability to assemble. Attempting to move an entire country back in time to its manufacturing heyday isn’t the solution to job creation.

    But, that’s a long-winded sociological argument better suited for academia.

    Source: CNET
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Trump to Apple: Bring Jobs Back to the U.S. started by Phillip Swanson View original post
    Comments 37 Comments
    1. fleurya's Avatar
      fleurya -
      If people keep giving this blow-hard attention he'll never go away.
    1. Zokunei's Avatar
      Zokunei -
      Quote Originally Posted by MikePA View Post
      Since when did modmyi become a place for the so called authors to vent their political opinions? Find some other site to do that.
      +1

      Also I don't think an article is due anywhere for this. Trump goes on that same show every chance he gets and has said this probably ten times by now. I'm almost sure I've heard him say this before.
    1. GTOhaas07's Avatar
      GTOhaas07 -
      Quote Originally Posted by AUZambo View Post
      This entire post is a huge reach. Do you honestly believe companies are outsourcing to other countries because the factory workers have better grammar there?

      If anything, your whole post - IF it's true - would be a reason to send the white collar jobs elsewhere to those who possess better grammar and keep the factory jobs here in America.
      The point of my post has sailed over your head. If someone is too lazy to spell out 'you' than what do you think that person will do at their job.

      It's funny that the same people that are screaming for companies like Apple to bring jobs back stateside are the ones claiming that illegal immigrants do the jobs Americans don't want. Apple and companies of the like are outsourcing jobs because the cost of manufacturing stateside has gone up to the point that we can no longer compete with foreign countries. It's not just the workers demanding more money and benefits to complete an unskilled task repeatedly, it's the supply chain and lack of flexibility. Basically, everyone in this country feels entitled to a better life rather than the fact that they have to earn it.
    1. MikePA's Avatar
      MikePA -
      Quote Originally Posted by trek-life View Post
      Lol, you want to regulate what writers in an open forum write about? Freedom speech goes right along with freedom to ignore. I'm sure this opinion won't ruin your day that much...at least I hope it won't.
      1. modmyi's purpose is to disseminate and discuss news about iDevices.
      2. If Kyle wants to allow commentary and opinion, then post such articles in some other forum or add an Opinion forum.

      "Donald Trump, speaking on his favorite media outlet Fox News..." - Trump appears on many broadcast and cable networks.

      "However, even Trump, the horrible business man that he is..."
      - More opinion. A billionaire is a 'horrible businessman'?

      Let's add more commentary, this time about a 'horrible' writer. Perhaps a degree in Journalism didn't include spelling and grammar.

      "However, even Trump, the horrible business man that he is..." - Try 'businessman', one word.

      "Trumps interview and response come..." - Try 'came'.

      "...in lieu of a New York Times article..." - 'in lieu of'? "in lieu of' means instead of.
    1. jOnGarrett's Avatar
      jOnGarrett -
      Quote Originally Posted by boxxa View Post
      It is not Apple's job to create jobs. Its the US Governments job to make it friendly for companies like Apple to produce products here and yes, while there is people all over the world doing very basic work in production plants, there is still a large number of Apple employees that work in the US and are of the skilled labor force.
      you don't even know what you're talking about. what do you mean its not the private sectors job to create jobs? and exactly is the US Government doing that's making this country job un-friendly? we have the largest economy in the world & the lowest tax rates we've had in 30 years.

      the only thing to US Gov can do to make things "better" for business is to strip away the rights and protections of the American worker OR allow our environment to suffer.

      Quote Originally Posted by tekwiz View Post
      Trump is a moron, the one factory alone has 230,000 people working there, try to find cities in the US that have a workforce that is 230,000 people strong....and with the skills needed here, now find the 4 yr degree engineers to oversee them, you need 8,700. It takes them a little over a week to source 8,700 college grads with the skills needed, it would take us almost a year. The workforce doesn't exist here to support what Apple is doing. Trump is the biggest asshat going.
      we could do the same here in the US because we don't need to have 230,000 people in one location--living and working in slave camps like the Chinese. and why would we want 230,000 jobs concentrated in one area? 4,791 jobs spread out over 48 states would do much more for the economy than 230k in one location. 4,791 newly employed people who will do their shopping at local businesses (increasing sales, creating demand and generating more jobs) 4,791 newly employed people buying or renting new homes (helping our housing market recover and generating more jobs)

      I agree with you that Trump is a moron, but to say that China is a better place to do business than America is just.....Anti-American.

      by the way, how many of the major appliances in your home are American made? How many of the major appliances in your home or made by American companies? (TV, Tablet, Phone, Computer, Refrigerator, Washer, Dryer, Vacuum,

      then check your closet, where are all your clothes made?

      and the car(s) your family owns?

      Its not just companies and their offshore jobs but American consumers and what they're buying.
    1. jamesgunaca's Avatar
      jamesgunaca -
      " the U.S. is in a post-industrial era, where knowledge and ideas are more valuable than the ability to assemble. Attempting to move an entire country back in time to its manufacturing heyday isn’t the solution to job creation."

      Couldn't have said it better myself.
    1. smooth22's Avatar
      smooth22 -
      Well my take on this is that the reason for this country going broke is because we don't make anything anymore in this country it was all done by design, you tax the hell out of these companies and there not going to stick around in this country, companies leave jobs leave, there for no jobs means no money circulating, no money circulating means less consumers and less consumers means less business, means businesses close down. Pretty simple stuff. I hear a bunch of excuses but regardless this country is going to hell in a hand basket!
    1. sziklassy's Avatar
      sziklassy -
      Quote Originally Posted by GTOhaas07 View Post
      I bet those people in the unemployment line have something in common with you, lack of proper grammar knowledge. How can you make an argument to bring workers back to the US while advertising a complete lack of knowledge of something that should be easy to grasp. Either you really have no idea how to properly use punctuation or you are just lazy. Either way, it is just another example of why companies like Apple are keeping the white collar jobs stateside and the manufacturing jobs elsewhere.
      Yup. I bet those Chinese on the assembly line have perfect grammar, punctuation, etc, etc...

      Quote Originally Posted by idkanymore View Post
      The government will have to create serious incentives to make a plant here that would at least be close to what they are getting from building plants elsewhere. They aren't going to raise the prices on their products just to move their products here which will reduce sales. Yeah maybe some people will buy it because it's made in USA but a much larger majority won't care and simply look at the new price tag and walk away.
      Or... make disincentives for outsourcing. All of the sudden it becomes more expensive to produce overseas. BOOM! Crying about expenses is pretty tough, especially in Apple's case, which has become one of the richest companies in the course of the last decade or so.

      Quote Originally Posted by GTOhaas07 View Post
      The point of my post has sailed over your head. If someone is too lazy to spell out 'you' than what do you think that person will do at their job.
      I have no reason to make assumptions. What I do in my free time at home is, generally speaking, more lazy than at work. Basically, at home I do what makes me comfortable. At work I do what is required of me. Also, what makes you think the person you originally responded to is unemployed. I know plenty of employed people with terrible grammar on the interwebs. One of my collegues, a doctor, has atrocious grammar, especially in emails and texts. Assuming her work ethic sucks based on a message she posts is absurd. That said, it is a pet peeve of mine, and I wish people took the time to clean up their messages, but I am not going to judge their entire intellect and work ethic on how they go about these tasks.
    1. AUZambo's Avatar
      AUZambo -
      Quote Originally Posted by GTOhaas07 View Post
      The point of my post has sailed over your head. If someone is too lazy to spell out 'you' than what do you think that person will do at their job.

      It's funny that the same people that are screaming for companies like Apple to bring jobs back stateside are the ones claiming that illegal immigrants do the jobs Americans don't want. Apple and companies of the like are outsourcing jobs because the cost of manufacturing stateside has gone up to the point that we can no longer compete with foreign countries. It's not just the workers demanding more money and benefits to complete an unskilled task repeatedly, it's the supply chain and lack of flexibility. Basically, everyone in this country feels entitled to a better life rather than the fact that they have to earn it.
      I understood exactly what you were saying, and I still maintain it was a huge reach. You're trying to use someone's grammar in an informal setting to get on your soap box about grammar.

      If the person you quoted used such grammar in a professional setting then you'd have more of a point.
    1. Zokunei's Avatar
      Zokunei -
      Nice job Phillip, you created an almost purely political thread on the front page. I'm told to leave politics alone if I even mention a politician's name in chit-chat.
      Not to mention that an opinion about what kind of jobs we need isn't even news.
    1. Moreno53's Avatar
      Moreno53 -
      This job topic really brings out the morons.

      A) Apple sells products internationally so manufacturing products in the US will put the price out of reach for 90% of the worlds population.

      B) North America doesn't have the population to meet the manufacturing and logistical timelines the largest tech company in the world needs.

      The problem with stupidity is that it goes hand in hand with being myopic.
    1. Don Ju4n's Avatar
      Don Ju4n -
      Quote Originally Posted by Kieranl89 View Post
      Silly Mr Trump, you really believe in reincarnation?
      Is it bad that I thought the same thing as I was reading the title. Literally, the first thing that popped into my head was "why would a zombie work at Apple?!"
    1. Breezer23's Avatar
      Breezer23 -
      Wow! Could the writer of this article show his liberalism even more? I stopped reading after the second paragraph with all the nonsense the write put in this article.

      Secondly, if you're telling me a company with 30%+ profit margins can't pay more for labor (and mechanization) to build these in the US then you aren't trying hard enough.
    1. *T*'s Avatar
      *T* -
      **** u trump!
    1. prestone683's Avatar
      prestone683 -
      Quote Originally Posted by GTOhaas07 View Post
      I bet those people in the unemployment line have something in common with you, lack of proper grammar knowledge. How can you make an argument to bring workers back to the US while advertising a complete lack of knowledge of something that should be easy to grasp. Either you really have no idea how to properly use punctuation or you are just lazy. Either way, it is just another example of why companies like Apple are keeping the white collar jobs stateside and the manufacturing jobs elsewhere.
      +1 on the bash...

      And anybody actually listening to Trump is an idiot.

      -A self-serving idiot who is such a great business owner that his own CASINO 'where the House always wins', filed for bankruptcy.

      -Running a TV show where he finds it funny to fire people who, let's face it, 10 percent or so of the population, as of late, has been let go in this economy.

      -And seems to offer a lot of unsolicited advise, on a very conservative news channel...

      Trump must use RIM.... Doesn't want to let go....
    1. bradmullins007's Avatar
      bradmullins007 -
      Quote Originally Posted by GTOhaas07 View Post
      I bet those people in the unemployment line have something in common with you, lack of proper grammar knowledge. How can you make an argument to bring workers back to the US while advertising a complete lack of knowledge of something that should be easy to grasp. Either you really have no idea how to properly use punctuation or you are just lazy. Either way, it is just another example of why companies like Apple are keeping the white collar jobs stateside and the manufacturing jobs elsewhere.
      I bet you that every race, every creed, and every intelligence level comprises that unemployment line! You snooty little blob of puss. This isn't the place to belittle someone's comments in reference to it's grammatical composition. However, if it were a forum as such; I'd be teaching you how to construct a proper analysis without appearing to be a hypocrite.

      Donald Trump doesn't make sensible remarks that often but even more disturbing to me is the fact that my fellow Americans approve of such corporate behavior. Nafta has killed the production in the USA and it seems like 9 out of 10 people agree with it. I don't think a post industrial USA benefits very many people besides those creeps that outsourced our jobs. Not everyone in America can sell an idea and be paid weekly. In case you hadn't noticed "labor" pays the bills and ideas create the labor so it's essential to have both if there is to be a strong middle class.
    1. PorthosPirate's Avatar
      PorthosPirate -
      Inspiring words from a man that makes his current career all about saying "you're fired" to Americans.