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  • Apple Issuing Take Down Notices to Major Piracy Sources

    Apple is finally attacking their money-making barricades.

    Piracy is a large problem in the computer world and one company that's really feeling the pain from it is Apple. As we know Apple takes a thirty percent cut from all App Store sales. This means it makes sense that Apple would want to kill off any iOS piracy firms. One of the large firms can be accessed from iDevices through a Cydia source with their own application. This is one reason why Apple doesn't want us jailbreaking our iDevices. We don't condone piracy and it isn't allowed here. Apple doesn't want it around either.

    Cracked iOS applications cost Apple a ton of money. Millions are downloaded each day out of ignorance that people are really hurting the companies. Millions more are downloaded each day on purpose because people want stuff for free and simply don't care that what they're doing is wrong. The after effect of all of these applications not being sold is Apple and the hard-working developers included losing out on billions of dollars.

    Apple has issued 'take down' warnings to one of these firms in attempt to destroy the firm. This firm is taking measures into their own hands to try and avoid being shut down by moving their servers to countries around the world where copyright isn't applicable. A cowardly move by the firm involved - they are attempting to keep the servers up and running completely against Apple's demands and against United States copyright laws. The firm said this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Piracy Firm
    Over the last several months, Apple has been scraping [piracy firm name withdrawn] for links and sending huge takedown notices for a ton of content. We’ve been working to keep [piracy firm name withdrawn] up-to-date, but the only (effective) way to prevent automated takedowns was to add a CAPTCHA to outbound links. In addition, we finished moving our servers to several different countries earlier this week. This has raised our costs far beyond what we can afford with declining donations, meaning that we will have to place an advertisement on that CAPTCHA page.
    With Apple supporting the SOPA bill by proxy early in the beginning of its introduction and later backing away from it, we can now see why Apple is so stifling about piracy. Apple backed out of the SOPA bill only because of the seemingly questionable powers that it gives the government and businesses. Aside from that, the idea of being able to shut down piracy firms sounded good to them. We will likely see more bills similar to SOPA in the future that try to keep piracy from existing.

    We expect that with Apple attacking one of the largest cracked iOS application firms, we will see much more coming up. Like all companies, they are out to make money and anything that stands in their way is a threat that needs to be terminated. Companies have fought piracy for ages - will Apple be able to put tighter control on it? Only time will tell.

    Do you think Apple will be successful in breaking most iOS piracy in half? Share in the comments.

    Sources: 9to5Mac
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Apple Issuing Take Down Notices to Major Piracy Sources started by Anthony Bouchard View original post
    Comments 204 Comments
    1. PabloAngel's Avatar
      PabloAngel -
      I'm an ex Android who became an iPhone junkie,I became very upset how carriers did not upgrade these devices like Apple does ,I felt abandoned! So now I'm in love with the IPhone only after I ....broke it! Now I have an amazing device! Lol everything a phone should be! I'm a strong supporter of developers,I purchase all my mods and apps,I just wanted extra features on my phone not cracked apps!
    1. Zokunei's Avatar
      Zokunei -
      Quote Originally Posted by PabloAngel View Post
      I'm an ex Android who became an iPhone junkie,I became very upset how carriers did not upgrade these devices like Apple does ,I felt abandoned! So now I'm in love with the IPhone only after I ....broke it! Now I have an amazing device! Lol everything a phone should be! I'm a strong supporter of developers,I purchase all my mods and apps,I just wanted extra features on my phone not cracked apps!
      Haha do you think you can't say "jailbroke" on this site? That's what it's all about! :P
    1. PabloAngel's Avatar
      PabloAngel -
      Quote Originally Posted by Zokunei View Post
      Haha do you think you can't say "jailbroke" on this site? That's what it's all about! :P
      Hahaha! I wasn't sure if it was allowed! I'm a super newbie!! Still learning about the iPhone community!
    1. rkswat's Avatar
      rkswat -
      Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Bouchard View Post
      Just like in a trial of an application you get part of an application. Not the whole application. So no, it's really not stupid. Angry Birds Lite isn't a, "dumbed" down version of Angry Birds. It's simply the first page of levels and the EXACT same code. You could try a little harder than that..

      The two of you are about as closed minded as I am and we aren't going to get anywhere.
      You keep using Angry Birds as your example.... how about most other apps? Sure AB is gives you one level but what about the thousands of other apps in the app store? Like I said, try harder.

      I know your really trying to defend your stance but the facts are on my and others side, not yours.
    1. ggab's Avatar
      ggab -
      Quote Originally Posted by rkswat View Post
      You keep using Angry Birds as your example.... how about most other apps? Sure AB is gives you one level but what about the thousands of other apps in the app store? Like I said, try harder.

      I know your really trying to defend your stance but the facts are on my and others side, not yours.
      Bravo! Bravo!
    1. Agent929's Avatar
      Agent929 -
      Quote Originally Posted by PabloAngel View Post
      Hahaha! I wasn't sure if it was allowed! I'm a super newbie!! Still learning about the iPhone community!
      Yeah, just don't mention outside cracked app sources lol
    1. Anthony Bouchard's Avatar
      Anthony Bouchard -
      Quote Originally Posted by rkswat View Post
      You keep using Angry Birds as your example.... how about most other apps? Sure AB is gives you one level but what about the thousands of other apps in the app store? Like I said, try harder.

      I know your really trying to defend your stance but the facts are on my and others side, not yours.
      Fruit Ninja, Cut the Rope, Teamviewer, Liquid, pretty much anything that pops up when you search, "Lite." So... um... is the fact that I used only Angry Birds as an example your only argument against me?

      99.5% of these are trial applications, and you can scroll down the list:

      Screen Shot 2012-01-01 at 4.59.59 AM.png


      Okay thanks. Next.
    1. baskie's Avatar
      baskie -
      No trail period, or refund policy by any other name? That'll be Apple breaking EU law then. Again,

      I've been looking into the distant selling regulations I mentioned earlier, and whilst (as yet) electronic downloads fall into a grey area (soon to be tightened up) it's now accepted in uk courts that any seller of electronic downloads via a website (ie, a distant sale) are breaking the spirit of the law if they don't offer a full refund within 7 days, for whatever reason. And it's possible to argue they are breaking the letter of the law too.

      Google the DSR's, or distant selling regulations if your not sure what they are.

      Things are going to get tighter soon too. A new EU directive, which becomes enforced in the UK in 2013 says sellers MUST accept back for a full refund anything returned within 14 days (presently 7 days). However, if the seller does not inform you of this right, you have up to a year to return the item and still get a full refund. The item need not be faulty, or mis-advertised, you simple just need to have changed your mind.

      So, Apple whilst perhaps not breaking the letter of the law, at the moment, are 100% breaking the spirit of the law. And they're not alone. Almost all the online sellers of apps and software are too. They argue that once the app is downloaded it can be copied so the seller has no way to know if the buyer will quit using it once they've refunded it. Which, is a fair argument in some quarters, but not Apple, with their 'walled garden' approach to devices they can easily kill an app.

      None of this of course makes pirating right, but it does add weight to my argument, that until Apple introduce a trail period, or a legitimate refund policy, pirating, if only to test out apps, will go from strength to strength.

      Incidentally, this reminds me of another situation I personally had with Apple a few years back where I had to use another EU directive to get proper service out of Apple. The directive in question says all goods sold in the EU must have at least a two year warranty (with some exceptions) regardless of what the makers says (Apple say one year). This directive is not law yet in the UK, but it is still a directive.

      My iPhone died at 15 months, went into the store to be told out of warranty. I pointed out the EU directive and after some feet stamping they replaced the phone. So when pushed, they will meet their obligations.

      Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Bouchard View Post

      Okay thanks. Next.
      You really are coming across as an arrogant twunt.
    1. ggab's Avatar
      ggab -
      Quote Originally Posted by baskie View Post
      You really are coming across as an arrogant twunt.
      That's because he is.
    1. wukillabee's Avatar
      wukillabee -
      Quote Originally Posted by sino84 View Post
      WTF! Now they're doing the same like Sony did before with the PS3!!! Ok, piracy is hurting their business...but is this really necessary?! After this they'll be after our iOS hackers!!!

      An iDevice is nothing without a Jailbreak! Limited functions! A few people already moved to Android...
      This right here!!!! If there was no such thing as jailbreak and if it ever comes to an end, will jump on a freaking Android so quick!!! Iphone would be nothing but a fancy looking toy imo without jailbreak, soooo limited on what you can do. To this day the most you can customize the look of your phone is only to change the wallpaper, wow! So sad
    1. baskie's Avatar
      baskie -
      This is about piracy not jailbreaking. They are two completely different things.
    1. zrevai's Avatar
      zrevai -
      Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Bouchard View Post
      For price problems there are free alternatives. Try Waze for navigation. Problem solved.

      App developers are allowed to offer free trials. They're called Lite versions. They've been around since the dawn of the app store (Angry Birds, etc.).
      Yes they are allowed but perhaps it should be required to publish a Lite version of every App. That would negate the "Try before you buy" mentality except they will still claim you should get to try the "Full Version" and not a limited Lite version before buying. Though if you play any of the Lite versions of say Angry Birds and can't tell if you like it enough to shell out $.99 for one of them your either a blatant pirate or a complete moron or both!!!

      Quote Originally Posted by baskie View Post
      Are dev's allowed to make lite versions that stop working after a given time period?
      Unfortunately the answer is No, Apple doesn't allow Apps that expire at all. But just because it can't be time limited doesn't mean you can't remove most functionality from your Lite version. As I used Angry Birds as my previous example their Lite versions have a very small number of levels compared to the Full versions, so there is no reason Apple couldn't require Devs to submit a Full version and a very basic/limited content Lite version.

      Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Bouchard View Post
      Think about it.

      Angry Birds lite only has one page of levels. Angry Birds has tons of pages of levels.

      Timed trials or limited trials. It really doesn't make a difference they're both trials. You're trying to blindside me.
      Angry Birds really is the best "Free Trial" App in the AppStore!!!

      Quote Originally Posted by sziklassy View Post
      I wholeheartedly disagree. How hard would it be to allow an hour to refund an app? Answer: it wouldn't. A lot of trials on apps in the app store are incredibly limited because they have to be. Short of requiring a log-in, there is often no way to give all of the functionality of an app and then still give incentive to actually go out and buy it. I am sure MANY a developer would be perfectly happy to allow a trial time for the software. If you enjoy the software, just keep it after the trial period. If not, drop it for a full refund.
      Apple could use the same "Trial" restrictions it uses to Rent videos, it's built into their FairPlay DRM. But using it on Apps just wouldn't make sense. The crackers bypass the existing FairPlay DRM on Apps by grabbing the Decrypted App out of memory, so even if Apple added Rentals to Apps that would be stripped out by grabbing the unencrypted App from Memory at Run-Time. There is no good way to date to prevent Piracy of AppStore Apps. The best thing a Developer can do currently is to split up their App and only load the current code segment at Run-Time and to load the next level pack only when needed, this won't stop Piracy but will make it much harder if the Full App is never loaded into Ram because assembling the different parts into a working App would take more time and couldn't be done easily with the current Cracking Tools. There is some good info over at The iPhone Wiki http://bit.ly/iPiracy
    1. enectrixx's Avatar
      enectrixx -
      Quote Originally Posted by mr117 View Post
      How did you buy a phone if you have no credit card?
      Why would you need a credit card to buy a phone? You buy it from a carrier with a monthly plan and get a bill every month. The only criteria is hat you have a valid form of ID so thy can check your address and that you have a job so you can pay the bills. (At least that's how it works here in Sweden, it may be different in the U.S. or other countries.)

      Quote Originally Posted by mr117 View Post
      This thread is interesting, but it seems that many people don't really grasp how the world works. You want it, you buy it. If you can't afford it, no one has the duty to give it to you for free. If you take it, you are stealing it. If you make excuses for your theft, they are just that, excuses.
      No, you're not. You can't steal a digital copy because it isn't a physical object. Stealing implies that the original owner loses the stolen item. Piracy isn't theft just as fraud isn't rape - the only thing they have in common is that they're both illegal.
    1. Zokunei's Avatar
      Zokunei -
      Quote Originally Posted by enectrixx View Post
      No, you're not. You can't steal a digital copy because it isn't a physical object. Stealing implies that the original owner loses the stolen item. Piracy isn't theft just as fraud isn't rape - the only thing they have in common is that they're both illegal.
      Stealing isn't limited to physical objects because trade isn't limited to physical objects or the loss of a good.
    1. mr117's Avatar
      mr117 -
      Taking something that isn't yours is theft. Period. You can twist and turn (well, it's not a physical object) but if it belongs to someone and it's for sale and you get it without paying for it through an "alternative" manner, you have stolen it. The owner OWNS the rights to it, object or idea. If the object ends up in your hands or if you end up with the "idea" (coded app) on your phone without paying for it, it's theft.

      I own a patent on an idea, you take the idea and don't pay me for it, you stole my idea. Theft without object. And I think stating that digital copy theft is fine because digital copies aren't "physical" is ludicrous. The "copy" ends up on your device being used by you. It exists enough for you to use it.
    1. Cowboy's Avatar
      Cowboy -
      +1
      You can even take it more to an extreme if you want to compare it to murder. Life and death isnt physical but your stealing it from someone. So is that ok? Just because you can't physically hold something doesn't not mean anything.
    1. Zokunei's Avatar
      Zokunei -
      To say stealing is limited to physical objects is to say that it's actually wrong for non-physical objects to be sold. It is to say that non-physical objects can't have a price just because the seller isn't losing something.

      If you're saying you can just take it you're saying they have no right to sell it in the first place.
    1. bradmullins007's Avatar
      bradmullins007 -
      I know right? I got censored for saying the name of the app on the forums. I think it's ABSOLUTELY hilarious the author can pen an article about the app but CANNOT mention it's blasphemous name. It's completely a nazi system here.
      Quote Originally Posted by Agent929 View Post
      I wouldn't say it's real news if you censor out stuff like we're 4. I'm sure most already know the name of it but god forbid it get repeated here. (yes I agree with the article, I'm just pissed because it's like blasphemy to say it on these forums regardless if we use it or not)C



      +1
    1. Simon's Avatar
      Simon -
      Quote Originally Posted by bradmullins007 View Post
      I know right? I got censored for saying the name of the app on the forums. I think it's ABSOLUTELY hilarious the author can pen an article about the app but CANNOT mention it's blasphemous name. It's completely a nazi system here.
      Read this

      Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
      It's really quite simple. This forum has rules in place to protect you the members and the owners of the site. They are there so that this site does not get "take down" requests from Apple. So people still have a place to come and learn about jailbreaking and all the great things it can bring to an idevice that are legal. That is why we do not allow that app or any other regarding warez to be mentioned here. There is nothing childish about that. I cannot speak for everyone but I do not judge what you or any other member may do to your device on your own time. However if you want to post on this site you will follow the rules.
      Nothing hilarious or nazi related about it.
    1. Cowboy's Avatar
      Cowboy -
      Thank you Simon