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  • iOS 4.3: Out with the Old, In with the New


    There's a number of additions in iOS 4.3 beta 1, and Mike and Wiley have covered in previous posts: improved AirPrint, support for the VeriPhone "Personal Hotspot" feature, new gestures. There are, however, also a couple of notable subtractions: support for the iPhone 3G and iPod touch 2G. Though it's not known at this time whether the ultimate release version will support the older devices, it's a sign that we're nearing end-of-life for them. At the same time, there are new device identifiers in the code, presaging next-generation iPhones and iPads.

    The iPhone 3G, released in 2008, had the same Samsung S5L8900 RISC SoC 620 MHz processor (underclocked to 412 MHz) as its predecessor, the original iPhone. And though the first-generation iPod touch shares this hardware platform (the 2G has a slightly speedier ARM11 chip), iOS 4.0 was not supported for that model, or for the original iPhone, when it was released. Though the identical iPhone 3G and iPod touch 2G were supported, iOS 4.0 ran very poorly on those devices, with improvements in iOS 4.2 marginally improving performance for some users. The fact that Apple decided to include support for newer devices and leave it out for older devices with the same hardware suggests a marketing decision rather than an engineering one. Apple didn't want to face user outrage by releasing a firmware upgrade that left out devices only two years old. As it turned out, they ended up dealing with a lawsuit about that anyway.

    There are identifiers in the new beta for iPhone4,1 and 4,2 as well as iPad2,1 iPad2,2 and iPad2,3. The original 2007 iPhone is 1,1, and the iPhone 3G is classified as 1,2, reflecting the fact that it's the same hardware platform with a slight modification (the 3G radio). The iPhone 3GS, with its improved CPU and RAM, is classified as 2,1, and the iPhone 4 is 3,1 (the Verizon iPhone is 3,2). The iPhone4,x and iPad2,x identifiers, then, suggest a significant hardware revision for the next models. Rumors have long suggested that the next generation iPhone and iPad will sport faster processors like the ARM Cortex-A9, and so the decision to cut off support for older CPUs makes sense as iOS finally moves into multicore architecture. Whether iOS 4.3 will simply not run on these devices, or merely continue to support a reduced feature set, remains to be seen.

    Source: MacRumors
    This article was originally published in forum thread: iOS 4.3: Out with the Old, In with the New started by Paul Daniel Ash View original post
    Comments 43 Comments
    1. Supaman34's Avatar
      Supaman34 -
      Quote Originally Posted by j.eck.art.3d View Post
      Did I miss something? ATT offers 1 year upgrades? I thought it was a two year cycle. Please confirm for me... if this is the case, I will be upgrading every year then too!

      Thanks in advance!
      Its really about 14-16 months. i upgraded one line in Nov & i can upgrade in April '12
    1. CZroe's Avatar
      CZroe -
      Quote Originally Posted by Paul Daniel Ash View Post


      There's a number of additions in iOS 4.3 beta 1, and Mike and Wiley have covered in previous posts: improved AirPrint, support for the VeriPhone "Personal Hotspot" feature, new gestures. There are, however, also a couple of notable subtractions: support for the iPhone 3G and iPod touch 2G. Though it's not known at this time whether the ultimate release version will support the older devices, it's a sign that we're nearing end-of-life for them. At the same time, there are new device identifiers in the code, presaging next-generation iPhones and iPads.

      The iPhone 3G, released in 2008, had the same Samsung S5L8900 RISC SoC 620 MHz processor (underclocked to 412 MHz) as its predecessor, the original iPhone. And though the first-generation iPod touch shares this hardware platform (the 2G has a slightly speedier ARM11 chip), iOS 4.0 was not supported for that model, or for the original iPhone, when it was released. Though the identical iPhone 3G and iPod touch 2G were supported, iOS 4.0 ran very poorly on those devices, with improvements in iOS 4.2 marginally improving performance for some users. The fact that Apple decided to include support for newer devices and leave it out for older devices with the same hardware suggests a marketing decision rather than an engineering one. Apple didn't want to face user outrage by releasing a firmware upgrade that left out devices only two years old. As it turned out, they ended up dealing with a lawsuit about that anyway.

      There are identifiers in the new beta for iPhone4,1 and 4,2 as well as iPad2,1 iPad2,2 and iPad2,3. The original 2007 iPhone is 1,1, and the iPhone 3G is classified as 1,2, reflecting the fact that it's the same hardware platform with a slight modification (the 3G radio). The iPhone 3GS, with its improved CPU and RAM, is classified as 2,1, and the iPhone 4 is 3,1 (the Verizon iPhone is 3,2). The iPhone4,x and iPad2,x identifiers, then, suggest a significant hardware revision for the next models. Rumors have long suggested that the next generation iPhone and iPad will sport faster processors like the ARM Cortex-A9, and so the decision to cut off support for older CPUs makes sense as iOS finally moves into multicore architecture. Whether iOS 4.3 will simply not run on these devices, or merely continue to support a reduced feature set, remains to be seen.

      Source: MacRumors
      I've been telling everyone about Apple's dishonesty in why iOS4 wasn't for the original iPhone all along. Thanks for finally telling people.

      It isn't the only example either. Their claim that A2DP wouldn't work on the original iPhone due to different hardware was bogus... the jailbreak app "A2DP Enabler" truly does just that: Enables it. It doesn't write support for the different hardware. The initially limited AVRCP without Next Track/Previous Track was so that home audio equipment makers could not just use the open-standard Bluetooth interface to avoid paying their dues to Apple for a licensed dock interface. The numeric battery indicator on the iPhone 3GS works on the original iPhone and iPhone 3G, the Settings app just checks your hardware and refuses to give you the option! You don't even need to jailbreak to prove that one: Enable it on an iPhone 3GS or iPhone 4, save a backup in iTunes, load that backup on an iPhone 3G or original iPhone, and numeric battery indicator is enabled and working!

      I saw it reported here some time after the 3G launched that an Apple exec leaked that Apple was hoping to differentiate future devices more with software than with hardware. It appears that this is exactly what they have done: Arbitrarily limited previous devices with software restrictions. No A2DP/AVRCP for original iPhone or iOS4 for original iPhone, to numeric battery indicator or voice control for the original iPhone or iPhone 3G, etc.

      Granted, iOS4 didn't run well on the 3G (same hardware as the original iPhone), but each update to the 2.0 software and iPhone OS 3 was successively slower too, as if BY DESIGN they wanted to make sure users were frustrated and ready to upgrade when the next-gen devices rolled around.

      As it is, my Bluetooth and [proximity sensors STILL don't work right on my iPhone 4 and is is a source of DAILY frustration (repeatedly disconnected calls; disconnected headsets, garbled voices, etc). They refused to exchange it for me the last time when I was still in my 30-day return window and lied to me saying that it would be fixed in an iOS update. The ONLY fix was a tweak to the prox sensor's delay before it becomes active, which only made things worse, and a fix for the noise canceling mic muffling you when you switch to a BT source mid-call. The connection issues that often triggered you to switch mid call remain and still cause problem (I can't even put the phone in my pocket when talking).
    1. bigboyz's Avatar
      bigboyz -
      Apple should give upgrades to those who just "entered the Apple arena" if you will! Why should you pay twice to upgrade? Once to get the newest phone on the market at that time, then a few months later a newer model and new OS....good for $$ making but not so good for customer satisfaction.
    1. jdm.accord's Avatar
      jdm.accord -
      Quote Originally Posted by Supaman34 View Post
      Its really about 14-16 months. i upgraded one line in Nov & i can upgrade in April '12
      No its not. If you have the iPhone plan and spend more than $100 on your bill (before taxes) you get 12 month upgrades. My AT&T account says both lines are available for upgrade on 6/15/11 which is exactly a year after I ordered the my two iP4s.
    1. sziklassy's Avatar
      sziklassy -
      Quote Originally Posted by dustin942000 View Post
      This makes me mad as my parents bought me a 3G for christmas in 2009 with my upgrade along with the 2 year warranty with all intentions for this to last me to my next. I haven't had one problem with iOS 4 this entire time. I mean come on it's only two years old. I can't just go buy a brand new iPhone like some people can
      i understand how you feel, but you simply ill get to keep what you have and not get anything NEW. They are not required to give anyone a single update, but rather choose to as a company. You are still getting what you paid for. FWIW if you get old tech today (you didn't get the 3G at launch) it isn't going to be supported as long as today's tech will. This is just common sense.
    1. dq13's Avatar
      dq13 -
      I am lucky enough to have a family plan with 5 lines. I can get the full discount on the new iphone on my line every year (even tho its supposed to be after two) because "it is the main line and I pay a lot a month" since the plan is like 350 a month, it breaks down to my line pays like 200 and every other is like 40. so they grant me the full early upgrade
    1. sziklassy's Avatar
      sziklassy -
      Quote Originally Posted by DRFP View Post
      I agree the 3g has a decent CPU there is no reason for how slow it is other then, Apple doesn't care and want you to just pay up for what ever they feel you should have to have an Apple product..........

      Jobs once said this is "Art" He does not see it as Hardware and hardworking people, the phone hardware is just the vehicle for his "Art" like a Canvas.

      In reality we are in the biggest down turn since the great depression and telling people I will not support what you just bought and paid for 12 months ago is completely insensitive and in-moral.

      I hope that Apple gets its A handed them by the courts.

      Its time to awake from the dream Steve
      Apple is certainly not going to be hit in court for anything in this field. They are by no means required to keep pushing updates on everything they sell. When you buy an iPhone, you are not entering into a contract stating that you will receive all new features for the life of that contract.

      I often compare iOS to Android and, frankly, Apple does far better with updates than most Android handset makers. There are plenty of phones that have been waiting for Android OS updates for months-years that haven't gotten them. Some just get all but abandoned for their successor that launches only months later (take a look at samsung here). Apple's policies are questionable in many ways, but I really don't think this is one of them.
    1. whereswaldo's Avatar
      whereswaldo -
      Quote Originally Posted by alx94 View Post
      iPhone4,x already? That soon they are testing it?
      It's about 5 months til announcement time, so it's defiantly time to start talking
    1. njlmx6's Avatar
      njlmx6 -
      Are you people serious? everyone knows the shelf life of electronics these days. with that comes the end of support. how do you not know this? my only idevice IS a 3G and im not surprised by this move at all, nor am I worried about it.
    1. se23's Avatar
      se23 -
      Well u lot keep rambling, like u not used to these moves from major brands. All I'm interested in is mobile hotspot! So this will be a new feature? If it true then that's excellent for me then I dnt need to jailbreak anymore. I brought my ip4 16gb unlocked for 450 and my iPad 16gb wifi 300 so tether is all I need

      You people should have done your homework and brought cheaper and make sure it does what u need so when this crap happens its not much of a problem. At least u got something for your money unlike government tax or bankers bonus.....jeeeeze
    1. hoekapika's Avatar
      hoekapika -
      Quote Originally Posted by willie498 View Post
      It never ceases to amaze me how the people at Apple just seem to drop more and more devices from the list. I'm almost certain that where im at, about 90% of the people have the iPod Touch 2nd generation, because we all pretty much went out and bought it at the same time..
      are the doctor from house
    1. Turnamental's Avatar
      Turnamental -
      Quote Originally Posted by Supaman34 View Post
      Its really about 14-16 months. i upgraded one line in Nov & i can upgrade in April '12
      From what I understand is that the PRIMARY line has an annual upgrade option. I have 4 lines on my account and the only line that gets an annual upgrade is mine...
    1. KartRacer's Avatar
      KartRacer -
      Quote Originally Posted by Poseidon79 View Post
      Windows 7 won't run [very well] on most computers that are more than 3 years old.
      The 4 year old laptop I recycled to my mom runs W7 Home Premium like a champ. It's not as fast as my MBP, but it's had zero hiccups and the only problem it's had was the wifi chip died and she uses a USB dongle. Hell, a coworker of mine has an 8 year old laptop that runs W7 just fine too. Watched a few movies on it today at work.

      @CZroe

      Try taking that argument to AppleInsider forums. They don't take kindly to proof of Apple intentionally disabling perfectly functional software features on one or two generation old hardware. I've gotten called many names and been insulted just because I have complained about Apple intentionally removing working features from an older device simply to coerce people to buy new hardware to get them. Should Apple support every feature on every device? Of course not. They shouldn't lie about it though. MMS/battery percentage/wallpapers shouldn't be left off the 3G or the original iPhone, jailbreaking proves they work just fine with no impact to performance. AppleInsider forums are rife with intolerant Apple worshippers that refuse to take Apple at face value, no matter how many time you show them the emperor has no clothes. I've debated on starting a huge kerfuffle over there busting all their BS about jailbreaking. One day I might write a pagelong post about how 99% of their readers are flat wrong and have an itemized list. It'll be fun to see them have aneurysms over it. Trolling has it's uses sometimes.
    1. ADF's Avatar
      ADF -
      Quote Originally Posted by Crigger540 View Post
      Your 2nd Gen Touch is not gonna stop working, you just aren't getting new features. It forces me to upgrade if I want the updates and I gripe and mope, but in the long run I am happy to have newer better hardware.
      And with new features comes apps and app updates that support those new features which leaves out a lot of people with older devices without disposable income.
    1. Poseidon79's Avatar
      Poseidon79 -
      Apple learned their lesson. They should have never allowed support for iOS 4 on the iPhone 3G. Apple has spoiled their user base with backwards compatibility when they didn't have to. Before iOS, phones flat out didn't get /major/ software updates! It was common practice that if you wanted new features with new software you upgraded your device. Apple is doing people a great service by allowing any of their products to jump from 2 > 3 or 3 > 4 or whatever. By now allowing people to upgrade they are not dropping support at all. If you have a problem you can still go in and get help for existing software. If I still had my iPhone 2G with 3.1.3 I could walk into Apple and get help with apps or phone functions or anything.

      The bottom line...it seems like the only people that really complain are people too young to afford upgrades that rely on their parents to buy them everything or people ignorant enough not to grasp the concept of business, profit, share holders, or general technology attrition.
    1. Poseidon79's Avatar
      Poseidon79 -
      Quote Originally Posted by DRFP View Post
      This is condecending to me and others, I spend over 200 a month for cell phone service and I deserve a decent working phone. If I sign a contract to have service and a phone is included with money out of my pocket, then I expect that the device will be supported for at least the life of my cell phone contract.

      The concept that Apple "Deserves to make money" at the expense of ethical practice is absurd, Its a disturbing comment for a moderator to make as you did above in the quote.

      I'm not ignorant, or under 40 nor can I not afford But I am PO'd now and insulted, by a moderator.

      Hmm...........
      Not allowing upgrades doesn't fall under the category of unethical... it just makes sense not to allow a device thats not capable of running current software to be able to upgrade. Apple also didn't make you sign a contract to buy the phone so that shoots a hole right through that argument. Go complain to your service provider! Also complain to yourself for signing a 2 year contract lol. I also you misuse the term "supported". Apple will still honor any warranty or help with problems with anything you're having on your device. That seems like support to me.

      Also... taking a general statement I made and personalizing it to yourself and taking offense is not my problem. Some people being ignorant about different aspects of life and business is just a fact. If you got your feelings hurt its possible you have issues with your own situation and you're projecting them on me
    1. Poseidon79's Avatar
      Poseidon79 -
      It's like debating with a brick wall lol. Making factual /general/ statements are not derogatory. Also apps that you have on your phone will never cease to function just because there is an available update. You could have stayed on 3.1 and not upgraded your iOS or the apps that wanted you to update. There are still tons of people back on 3.X and all their apps work just fine. If an app update requires a FW update you have the option not to upgrade.. plain an simple. I still contest Apple should have never allowed 3G users to have access to 4.0 and this would have solved the problem up front. The people wouldn't have a case about bad performance on their crappy 3G phone that has the EXACT same hardware as the original iPhone released way back in 2007! It's been 4 YEARS. If someone is not smart enough to think critically, do their own product research, realize the 3G was a complete waste of money and already obsolete... and bought it anyway when Apple was obviously trying to liquidate their inventory in order to facilitate newer devices... then all the fault falls on the consumer for buying old technology.
    1. The Amazing Atheist's Avatar
      The Amazing Atheist -
      Quote Originally Posted by CZroe View Post
      I've been telling everyone about Apple's dishonesty in why iOS4 wasn't for the original iPhone all along. Thanks for finally telling people.

      It isn't the only example either. Their claim that A2DP wouldn't work on the original iPhone due to different hardware was bogus... the jailbreak app "A2DP Enabler" truly does just that: Enables it. It doesn't write support for the different hardware. The initially limited AVRCP without Next Track/Previous Track was so that home audio equipment makers could not just use the open-standard Bluetooth interface to avoid paying their dues to Apple for a licensed dock interface. The numeric battery indicator on the iPhone 3GS works on the original iPhone and iPhone 3G, the Settings app just checks your hardware and refuses to give you the option! You don't even need to jailbreak to prove that one: Enable it on an iPhone 3GS or iPhone 4, save a backup in iTunes, load that backup on an iPhone 3G or original iPhone, and numeric battery indicator is enabled and working!

      I saw it reported here some time after the 3G launched that an Apple exec leaked that Apple was hoping to differentiate future devices more with software than with hardware. It appears that this is exactly what they have done: Arbitrarily limited previous devices with software restrictions. No A2DP/AVRCP for original iPhone or iOS4 for original iPhone, to numeric battery indicator or voice control for the original iPhone or iPhone 3G, etc.

      Granted, iOS4 didn't run well on the 3G (same hardware as the original iPhone), but each update to the 2.0 software and iPhone OS 3 was successively slower too, as if BY DESIGN they wanted to make sure users were frustrated and ready to upgrade when the next-gen devices rolled around.

      As it is, my Bluetooth and [proximity sensors STILL don't work right on my iPhone 4 and is is a source of DAILY frustration (repeatedly disconnected calls; disconnected headsets, garbled voices, etc). They refused to exchange it for me the last time when I was still in my 30-day return window and lied to me saying that it would be fixed in an iOS update. The ONLY fix was a tweak to the prox sensor's delay before it becomes active, which only made things worse, and a fix for the noise canceling mic muffling you when you switch to a BT source mid-call. The connection issues that often triggered you to switch mid call remain and still cause problem (I can't even put the phone in my pocket when talking).

      Does bluetooth even work on any iPod? I've had 2,3,4g iTouches and bluetooth never worked on any of them...It just says "searching for devices". :/

      I think it's a joke...

      Quote Originally Posted by Poseidon79 View Post
      Apple learned their lesson. They should have never allowed support for iOS 4 on the iPhone 3G. Apple has spoiled their user base with backwards compatibility when they didn't have to. Before iOS, phones flat out didn't get /major/ software updates! It was common practice that if you wanted new features with new software you upgraded your device. Apple is doing people a great service by allowing any of their products to jump from 2 > 3 or 3 > 4 or whatever. By now allowing people to upgrade they are not dropping support at all. If you have a problem you can still go in and get help for existing software. If I still had my iPhone 2G with 3.1.3 I could walk into Apple and get help with apps or phone functions or anything.

      The bottom line...it seems like the only people that really complain are people too young to afford upgrades that rely on their parents to buy them everything or people ignorant enough not to grasp the concept of business, profit, share holders, or general technology attrition.

      Cannot grasp the concept os business, profit, share holders, etc? You mean can't grasp the concept of greediness?

      The iOS 4.x SHOULD be supported for the 2 and 3 g. They're not old or outdated technology yet. The 3g iTouch was a major disapointment to even be released anyway since the only "update" on it was bluetooth (which is worth **** basically) and a few more mb of ram. Multitasking is basically useless unless you want a laggy ipod, and as for wallpaper you can do that for free without buying ANYTHING just by learning how to jb your iDevice.

      As for the iTouch 1g, It is outdated technology. It was designed as a regular touch screen ipod, not for gaming/apps. So yea I can see why they phased it out. But as for the 2/3g they still get the job done. When you buy an iDevice 4 all you're paying for is the more ram (which as i said, the older models can *still get it done*), a camera (iTouch), and a few other things. It's just Apple wanting money as usual. So don't be ignorant.
    1. KartRacer's Avatar
      KartRacer -
      Quote Originally Posted by Poseidon79 View Post
      You could have stayed on 3.1 and not upgraded your iOS or the apps that wanted you to update.
      I agree with everything you've said except for this. What if a few apps you've paid for that have bugs and the bug fix requires the new OS to be installed? What then? Are you just screwed?

      Quote Originally Posted by Th3_Amazing_Ath3ist View Post
      When you buy an iDevice 4 all you're paying for is the more ram (which as i said, the older models can *still get it done*), a camera (iTouch), and a few other things. It's just Apple wanting money as usual. So don't be ignorant.
      Not hardly. The iPod Touch and iPhone 4 have a much better processor, better screen, better camera and 802.11 N wifi. That's not really 'a few other things' and it's not fair to compare the iPod Touch 4 and it's previous generations. Same with the iPhone 4. The 3GS was fast, but even the iPhone 4 beats it's pretty badly all around. Pretty big hardware upgrade there. The only massive FU Apple gave to it's customers that I can remember was the iPhone to iPhone 3G software changes. They were the *exact* same phone save for a different radio and they shut out the OG iPhone simply to sell more hardware. Not quite as bad was the no wallpapers and no battery percentage from the 3G to 3GS. Not really a huge feature omission like the first and second generation iPhone but stung anyway.
    1. Poseidon79's Avatar
      Poseidon79 -
      Apple is not a charity organization. They exist for the sole responsibility of their owners = shareholders. People invest in a company for one reason... profit. Apple must answer to it's share holders year in and year out. They strategize their anual refresh, marketing, and new product launches to maximize profit. If they can find a way to make more money by leaving out features in upgrades, making older products obsolete faster, or anything else.. guess what... they will!

      If you think this is greed then you obviously don't have investments... especially in the tech industry or in oil. For most people their financial future and ability to retire depend on investments in stocks, mutual funds, 401K's.. etc. You are a stock holder in many companies and as an investor you are owed a payout and should expect the companies you are highly leveraged in to be as greedy as possible on your behalf. Because the mean age on this forum is under 18 (last time I checked) these concepts don't really hit home with you yet but give it 15 or 20 years and you'll get it.