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  • iPhone Comes to Verizon, Finally


    Verizon chief operating officer Lowell McAdam announced today that a version of the iPhone 4 compatible with its network would be available for pre-order to existing customers beginning February 3, with general availability February 10. The culmination of more than two years of rumors came as almost an anticlimax, as virtually every media outlet was reporting the Verizon iPhone as fact before it was announced. "If the press writes about something long enough and hard enough, eventually it comes true," McAdam said, acknowledging the long wait for a second carrier in the United States. Apple COO Tim Cook, who joined McAdam on stage at New York's Lincoln Center, hailed the step, saying Apple was "incredibly pleased to give Verizon's customers the choice we've been waiting for."

    Perhaps most strikingly, Verizon will let customers tether up to 5 devices to their iPhones using their 3G Mobile Hotspot app which will be pre-installed. Verizon says they will charge $199 for a 16GB model and $299 for the 32GB, with a 2-year contract. They did, however, decline to answer questions about the cost of the data plans, saying that "pricing will be announced at a later date." This comes after days of speculation that Verizon would offer the same unlimited data plan they give to other smartphone customers. And the question of whether the iPhone 4 on Verizon would support simultaneous voice and data was answered by Dan Mead, president and CEO of Verizon Wireless, who said it was "the same as other CDMA devices." In other words, it won't.

    Also unanswered is whether the new phone also comes with an updated antenna assembly. This is a new model of iPhone 4, as changes to the device's internals were necessitated by the switch to a different network protocol. However, take a closer look at the photo above: see that black line on the upper-left-hand corner? Yeah. It's surprising that they would not brag about a Death Grip-free iPhone if they had one, though, so it may just be a design change forced by the CDMA radio. Verizon did repeatedly emphasize how prepared their network is for what is expected to be an onslaught of data-hungry iPhones. Dan Mead said that the carrier had been drive-testing with thousands of iPhones and "could not be more pleased" with the performance.

    McAdam was also mum about a CDMA version of the iPad, which was a longshot possibility for today's announcement. Also missing in action was any timeline for an LTE version of the iPhone, even though Verizon will complete rolling out its nationwide 4G network this year, with AT&T to follow next year. This does follow the generally conservative pattern Apple has historically shown: AT&T's 3G network was largely in place when the original iPhone was announced, but it only supported the slower EDGE standard until the iPhone 3G was released in 2008.

    Industry analysts generally predict sales of between nine million and 12 million Verizon iPhones in 2011, with Piper Jaffray's Gene Munster counting on Verizon to boost total iPhone sales by 5 percent or more, which would bring Apple an additional $5.9 billion in earnings this year.
    This article was originally published in forum thread: iPhone Comes to Verizon, Finally started by Paul Daniel Ash View original post
    Comments 229 Comments
    1. djkinetic's Avatar
      djkinetic -
      For those hoping to buy a Verizon iPhone for use on Sprint's network via unlocking, it won't happen. The reason is while you may be able to jailbreak the device and eventually unlock it, the phone needs to be activated in Sprint's system. The way that CDMA carriers do this is via a number called an ESN. Verizon is more lenient when it comes to using unlocked CDMA phone on its system however, Sprint is very strict and will not activate a Handset on its network unless the ESN of the handset is in their system from an approved device. The way it works u go into a store or call up CS u give them the ESN, they put the ESN into the database and it pulls up the programming instructions/codes. The ESN identifies what type of phone it is: make/model, the ESN will determine the codes needed to unlock the program screen and how to access it. Verizon, if i recall uses a universal code. While Sprint uses Handset specific. I used to work for Sprint programming phones for network use all day. That's why I know the process, unless its changed in the last couple yrs of course.

      Quote Originally Posted by jdm.accord View Post
      Nobody is talking about hacking or flashing. The deal is non-exclusive to Verizon. All that's mentioned is that Sprint can negotiate a deal with Apple and offer a CDMA iPhone of their own since Apple is already building one. No unlocking/flashing. Just walk into a Sprint store and buy one. How is that so hard to understand?

      The thing with the data/voice simultaneously is that current VZW customers won't know any difference. This would only be a problem for people jumping to VZW from a GSM network. Current CDMA customers don't know what they're missing so they'll be blissful in their ignorance.
      The reason for no simultaneous voice/data is because of the Revision of EV-DO that Verizon is using. Then revision simply does not allow it, there is EV-DV which solves the problem of no simultaneous voice/data on CDMA networks however, it was never implemented, and probable never will considering LTE is coming to verizon.
    1. GrandMstrBud's Avatar
      GrandMstrBud -
      Quote Originally Posted by djkinetic View Post
      For those hoping to buy a Verizon iPhone for use on Sprint's network via unlocking, it won't happen. The reason is while you may be able to jailbreak the device and eventually unlock it, the phone needs to be activated in Sprint's system. The way that CDMA carriers do this is via a number called an ESN. Verizon is more lenient when it comes to using unlocked CDMA phone on its system however, Sprint is very strict and will not activate a Handset on its network unless the ESN of the handset is in their system from an approved device. The way it works u go into a store or call up CS u give them the ESN, they put the ESN into the database and it pulls up the programming instructions/codes. The ESN identifies what type of phone it is: make/model, the ESN will determine the codes needed to unlock the program screen and how to access it. Verizon, if i recall uses a universal code. While Sprint uses Handset specific. I used to work for Sprint programming phones for network use all day. That's why I know the process, unless its changed in the last couple yrs of course.



      The reason for no simultaneous voice/data is because of the Revision of EV-DO that Verizon is using. Then revision simply does not allow it, there is EV-DV which solves the problem of no simultaneous voice/data on CDMA networks however, it was never implemented, and probable never will considering LTE is coming to verizon.
      I wonder if it will be possible on Metro PCS or Cricket?
    1. cpkirkley's Avatar
      cpkirkley -
      Quote Originally Posted by CynicalDriver View Post
      It's a phone first, not a TV. I don't need to watch Avatar on a tiny phone, I can watch it on BluRay with my HDTV for contrast beauty.

      Why does everyone expect these things to be greater than a dedicated device at anything?

      I don't know what you guys did to scratch your screens, but it has never been an issue for me... Do you put it in your pocket with change? Credit cards? Keys?

      I always have one pocket completely empty.. This way I have a place for my phone, an I have done this since LONG before the iPhone was even a glimmer in Jobs's eyes.
      Who said I was just talking about the screen? the plastic backing, along with the faux metal band, looked absolutely hideous after 6 months of non abusive, no cased usage. Now some of you are going to say "Why not get a case?". But much like the i4 - cases detract from the clean look of the device, and I wanted to maintain its slim profile.

      Also, I dont watch movies on my device. But I love looking at pictures. and the contrast/screen quality is MOST important when looking at static images. No one (especially me) is trying to say that a phone is supposed to be a perfect all in one. I only look at my images on my phone, everything is captured with my CL80, which I keep with me. I can send the pics to my phone via bluetooth from the camera itself, without a computer.

      That piece of non essential information aside, when you compare the i4 screen to the AMOLED on the Focus, or captivate for that matter - sure the pixel density is less, but the color saturation is MARKEDLY better on the samsungs. And not in the overly edited way either, much like the iphone's HDR setting (the worst joke played on consumers, ever). Apple thinks that adding bloom to photos is supposed to pass for true HDR. Fail.
    1. LUFT5_THOR's Avatar
      LUFT5_THOR -
      I think the pics on the iP4 look better non HDR.
    1. KartRacer's Avatar
      KartRacer -
      You guys can let Messany go now. He has no purpose on this site anymore.
    1. jwil736's Avatar
      jwil736 -
      All I can say is IT'S ABOUT TIME!

      Get these network hogging naysayers off AT&T.

      I have never had a problem with AT&T, everyone makes them out to be a horrible provider. I've been with them since '06 anytime there was anything questionable on the bill they explained what it is and corrected it immediately. It only happened a couple times. Excellent coverage, at times data speed slow (iPhone only since '08 BB before that).

      Now that Verizon has an iPhone, I will be ecstatic to watch my speeds get faster and yours slower lol. No seriously, I'm sure you wouldn't switch to a more expensive network for NO data/voice for no reason. Hope it works out for you, I'm sure it will be better once the LTE iPhone comes out.
    1. StealthBravo's Avatar
      StealthBravo -
      That would be awesome if a bunch of people made the switch. Make it a much better experience on AT&T (which isnt bad to begin with)
    1. Riviera's Avatar
      Riviera -
      Quote Originally Posted by GrandMstrBud View Post
      Seriously how many people talk on the phone and use the internet at the same time? I see a lot of people complaining about it but personally I have a GSM 3G phone and I can but I have never had to use both voice and data at the same time. And if you do use both then chances are there is WiFi available.
      Here is what I do during a phone call and I do it so often:

      [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWC8IzV9Pdo&feature=player_embedded]YouTube - Apple iPhone Ad - Did you see my email[/ame]



      I sure hope AT&T starts playing this ad again on TV after February 3rd.
    1. StealthBravo's Avatar
      StealthBravo -
      Me too. All the time
    1. btdesigns's Avatar
      btdesigns -
      if its on verizon the we can unlock it for metropcs just like the HTC evo,
    1. StealthBravo's Avatar
      StealthBravo -
    1. GrandMstrBud's Avatar
      GrandMstrBud -
      Quote Originally Posted by Riviera View Post
      Here is what I do during a phone call and I do it so often:

      YouTube - Apple iPhone Ad - Did you see my email



      I sure hope AT&T starts playing this ad again on TV after February 3rd.
      I feel sorry for the people on the other end that your putting on hold all the time just to look up something online. I guess I kind of take offense if I was talking to someone and they kept putting me on hold to surf the web or someone not paying attention because their surfing the web. On one of my phones I can do both because it's GSM but have not once had to look anything up while talking on the phone. But hey that's just me but I can't be the only one, well can I?
    1. StealthBravo's Avatar
      StealthBravo -
      I use MotionX GPS Drive for navigation while taking a call.
    1. Riviera's Avatar
      Riviera -
      Quote Originally Posted by GrandMstrBud View Post
      I feel sorry for the people on the other end that your putting on hold all the time just to look up something online. I guess I kind of take offense if I was talking to someone and they kept putting me on hold to surf the web or someone not paying attention because their surfing the web. On one of my phones I can do both because it's GSM but have not once had to look anything up while talking on the phone. But hey that's just me but I can't be the only one, well can I?
      To each his own, man. I was just being sarcastic.
      Can't take a heat, can you?

      I know not all of iPhone users using their iPhones for voice & data simultaneously every time they are on a call. However, this "talk & surf" feature is one of the benefits on AT&T which I really appreciate while I'm mobile. Sometimes, I have to log into my computer at work to check some jobs while I am on the phone talking to the other person who is watching what I am doing remotely to that computer (I use logmein) Or I can talk to my clients/friends/girlfriend while I'm using the gps (Navigon)- I do this often while I'm driving or bicycling. These are just a few samples of some daily activities that I do.

      Oh .... I am sure there are others who will find "talk & surf" on GSM network is much better than "NO talk to surf" on CDMA network.

      Especially if you're on an unlimited data plan like I am
    1. Nickaroni22's Avatar
      Nickaroni22 -
      So if you can't talk and surf with Verizon iPhone. Is FaceTime possible?
    1. Cer0's Avatar
      Cer0 -
      Yes cause that will be data.
    1. Cowboy's Avatar
      Cowboy -
      Quote Originally Posted by Nickaroni22 View Post
      So if you can't talk and surf with Verizon iPhone. Is FaceTime possible?
      I think face time you will have to do your own separate call. Cant be on a normal phone call then switch to ft
    1. iPittsburgh's Avatar
      iPittsburgh -
      I wish i had voice and data when i had verizon, once i switched to at&t i realized what i was missing, its extremely conveinent. Personally im hoping for an iphone with at&t 4g in the relatively near future.
    1. jwil736's Avatar
      jwil736 -
      Quite often while I'm on the phone, i will have to google or wiki something that we are talking about.
      Something along the lines of I don't know what a law is, or looking up a recipe for my mom, checking my work email to see if it can wait until later, troubleshooting technical issues for computer... Etc. You get the point.
      All my family lives in other states, that's how I did my Christmas shopping, both of us go to bestbuy.com , is this what you want?

      I couldn't live without data & voice, I could just would be an inconvenience to me.
    1. GrandMstrBud's Avatar
      GrandMstrBud -
      Quote Originally Posted by Riviera View Post
      To each his own, man. I was just being sarcastic.
      Can't take a heat, can you?

      I know not all of iPhone users using their iPhones for voice & data simultaneously every time they are on a call. However, this "talk & surf" feature is one of the benefits on AT&T which I really appreciate while I'm mobile. Sometimes, I have to log into my computer at work to check some jobs while I am on the phone talking to the other person who is watching what I am doing remotely to that computer (I use logmein) Or I can talk to my clients/friends/girlfriend while I'm using the gps (Navigon)- I do this often while I'm driving or bicycling. These are just a few samples of some daily activities that I do.

      Oh .... I am sure there are others who will find "talk & surf" on GSM network is much better than "NO talk to surf" on CDMA network.

      Especially if you're on an unlimited data plan like I am
      Oh I'm not complaining about anything at all so no heat to take, LOL. I'm just finding it amazing the amount of people who are saying it's a deal killer and what not. I guess I always have access to WiFi and a computer so I never have the need to be on the phone while needing data access. But yeah to each his own and now each will have that option. I wonder how many will switch to Verizon and find out that this does not work and end up going back. I'm sure there will be a few. I have both a Sprint and T-Mobile phone so I myself don't have an iPhone because AT&T is just way to expensive and same with Verizon. I've had every iPhone there was but once 3G because available in my area for T-Mobile that's when I gave up on the iPhone and went to a Nexus for the 3G speeds. I do have an iPad though and AT&T is the faster here (No Sprint 4G) than any of the other carriers I will say that.
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