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  • Verizon Announcement at 11am, 1/11/11


    Verizon has begun sending out press invitations for a special event next Tuesday, prompting yet another round of speculation about the long-rumored announcement of a second US carrier for the iPhone. The Wall Street Journal is quoting "sources close to the company" as saying this is indeed the case. Combined with reports earlier today that Apple had put its retail employees' vacations on hold, the news has prompted many to anticipate such an announcement.

    According to invitations sent to a number of reporters in the technology field, Verizon's event at Frederick P. Rose Hall in New York City's Lincoln Center will start at 11:00am on January 11th, 2011. The invitation contained no details about the subject of the announcement (or the significance of all those 11s), but the Wall Street Journal's John Paczkowski says that his sources tell him that the near-mythical CDMA iPhone will be unveiled at this event. The Journal led the old media sources earlier this year with reports of a Verizon iPhone, after months of vague rumors on the blogs. And one other interesting bit of news: Gizmodo, which leaked the iPhone 4 months before its official release, was not invited.

    As is always the case with these reports, take it with a grain of salt. However, the rumors have been converging remarkably well to an early-2011 launch of a Verizon iPhone. Today's revelation that Apple retail employees will not be able to schedule vacation time during a "blackout" period from the last week of January through the first half of February, was the capstone to multiple reports. Apple has traditionally put vacations on hold during iPhone launches to handle the increased demand.

    Source: Digital Daily
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Verizon Announcement at 11am, 1/11/11 started by Paul Daniel Ash View original post
    Comments 156 Comments
    1. Zokunei's Avatar
      Zokunei -
      Quote Originally Posted by moon#pie View Post
      i know, but you love me, so i know where you stand
      LOL

      Quote Originally Posted by mr117 View Post
      You guys are arguing over a rumor about a phone that may come out that can be used on a specific carrier.

      Is it really worth getting worked up about this? Six people just got killed, we have two wars going on, people are homeless, people are hungry, the world's economy is in the doldrums, and you are arguing about a phone. No, about a rumor about a phone.
      And here I thought the purpose of this site was to NOT talk about those things. And for the record, it's one war on terror with more than one front, which is still just as terrible that terrorism is that wide spread.
    1. moon#pie's Avatar
      moon#pie -
      Quote Originally Posted by mr117 View Post
      You guys are arguing over a rumor about a phone that may come out that can be used on a specific carrier.

      Is it really worth getting worked up about this? Six people just got killed, we have two wars going on, people are homeless, people are hungry, the world's economy is in the doldrums, and you are arguing about a phone. No, about a rumor about a phone.
      I agree. I simply said that there will not be a release of iOS 5, and he jumped on me. I proceeded to stab him with a knife and let his guts spill. He will soon be dead and this place can return to normal.
    1. CaptainChaos's Avatar
      CaptainChaos -
      There is no way Apple is going to make the HUGE mistake Android made by fragmenting their firmwares over different phones. They just unified all of their devices and to suggest a different firmware for Verizon's phones would be folly. Sure, phone modem specific firmware tweaks will happen, but the rest of the iOS stays unified.
    1. mr117's Avatar
      mr117 -
      "to suggest a different firmware for Verizon's phones would be folly"

      What kind of "folly?"

      Poetic?
    1. CaptainChaos's Avatar
      CaptainChaos -
      Poetic has been MIA lately
    1. NSXrebel's Avatar
      NSXrebel -
      Quote Originally Posted by moon#pie View Post
      Maybe you couldn't comprehend what I was saying. I said, "The difference in the 2nd gen and 3rd gen iPod touch was 3gs specs. The 3gs has the same design as the 3g.". There is no such thing as a 3g ipod touch. It is 3rd gen. The processor and RAM specs of the 3gs were the same as the iPod touch 3g. Then I said that the 3gs has the same case design as the IPHONE 3g. Do you comprehend it now?

      I see where part of the confusion in this argument is at. When he typed 3g ipod touch, he meant 3rd generation ipod touch, and you took it as him calling it the iPod Touch 3G. Of course there's no iPod Touch 3G, that's called an iPhone.

      If the number and "g" are in front of the name of the device, I take that as referencing the generation. If it's after the name, i take that as the model of the device.



      Quote Originally Posted by moon#pie View Post
      You know, I respected you when I didn't have to. Check my post count and thanks. Now look at your's. Who is the n00b here? Who is the one who should be respecting the other? Yeah. That's what I thought. Get your act together or the Admins with ban you within a week.
      Please, don't pull that card out. Post count doesn't mean crap. There are plenty of people who lurk forums and take years to finally post.



      Quote Originally Posted by moon#pie View Post
      Look, the Verizon iPhone is coming. It would be market suicide for apple not to. It will not be some fancy new hardware UNLESS announced at the time of the normal refresh. It will be the same hardware as AT&T uses with a different radio chip. Why? Because Apple doesn't play the games that every other cell phone manufacturer does. They don't offer better specs to one company and then give a scaled back version to another.
      Yeah, the Verizon iPhone is coming, eventually, BUT you, I , nor anyone else here knows with certainty when it is. I say it's not coming till next year, as a CDMA/GSM/LTE phone next year. That's my EDUCATED guess. Here's why it's educated, and not based on some rumor.

      First, Apple's product release cycle for the iPhone is in June. IF, that's a big if, they release a Verizon iPhone, it won't be this month, or next, it will just be announced tomorrow, and released in the summer.

      Second, it WILL be a new phone. You think they can just swap radio chips and call it a day? Last time I read, CDMA and LTE chips were bigger and/or draw more power than GSM chips. There has to be redesign somewhere, where performance stays on par or better with the current offering.

      Third, and most important IMO, the 5 year exclusivity contract between Apple & AT&T. Wether that contract was effective Jan '07 when the iPhone was announced or June '07, on its actual release, that contract is good till January 2012 at the earliest, June 2012 at the latest. If Verizon is indeed getting an iPhone this year, they are paying AT&T a substantial amount of $$$$ (maybe Apple too) for breaching that contract.

      Lastly, if Verizon gets the iPhone, I don't think it will be CDMA/GSM. I definitely think it won't be LTE. Verizon wouldn't want it's customers bailing out on them for AT&T or T-Mobile.



      Quote Originally Posted by moon#pie View Post
      He is the one who need to take it down. I'm being a LOT nicer and more respectful than I usually am in these circumstances. Maybe I'm turning over a new leaf? lol


      I was using no insult, but when he saw that his argument was total BS, he tried the low blows. Might have worked too if he could write.
      wahh.
    1. krosis's Avatar
      krosis -
      Quote Originally Posted by NSXrebel View Post
      Yeah, the Verizon iPhone is coming, eventually, BUT you, I , nor anyone else here knows with certainty when it is. I say it's not coming till next year, as a CDMA/GSM/LTE phone next year. That's my EDUCATED guess. Here's why it's educated, and not based on some rumor.

      First, Apple's product release cycle for the iPhone is in June. IF, that's a big if, they release a Verizon iPhone, it won't be this month, or next, it will just be announced tomorrow, and released in the summer.

      Second, it WILL be a new phone. You think they can just swap radio chips and call it a day? Last time I read, CDMA and LTE chips were bigger and/or draw more power than GSM chips. There has to be redesign somewhere, where performance stays on par or better with the current offering.
      Correction: Apple's product release cycle for NEW iPhones is in June. Most people in this thread are talking about a CDMA iPhone 4, not an iPhone 5. Your assumption that a CDMA iPhone would be impossible without a next-generation iPhone also seems flawed. Have you ever seen the teardown pics or opened an iPhone? The radio transceiver is tiny. Before you use the difference in GSM/CDMA power consumption as an argument, you might want to realize that 3G "GSM" actually uses W-CDMA tech (EDGE was the last technology in that line to use TDMA), and that's why your talktime on existing iPhones gets cut in half when you enable 3G.

      There are reasons a lot of people think this particular press event is an iPhone and they really have nothing to do with any of those technical reasons. It's because Verizon invited several Apple-focused tech reporters to the event. It's because Apple has unusually retained extra holiday staff and enforced vacation blackouts in anticipation of extra business. It's because there's a relaxation in their return policy, conveniently matching up with that same date. It's because Apple has bumped their Q1 iPhone sales forecast by several million units without an explanation. People see all of these things and they say "what else could it be?"

      Instead of listing reasons why you think this can't be a CDMA iPhone, why don't you give some alternate suggestions of what it might be?
    1. Trooper Sam's Avatar
      Trooper Sam -
      Next-Generation Cell Phones: Behold The Power Of 4G CBS New York – News, Sports, Weather, Traffic and the Best of NY

      I'm tired, but I scoured the thread and didn't see this referenced. Check out the video on the linked page, about 15 seconds in. iPhone 4G, 3.5" OLED screen?

      I'll bet money that somebody somewhere has already pointed this out, but like I said, I'm tired. :P
    1. Zokunei's Avatar
      Zokunei -
      Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChaos View Post
      Poetic has been MIA lately
      Well if the repo is still accepting new stuff that means he's still around, right? Isn't Poetic_Folly the old username of Kyle Matthews?
    1. moon#pie's Avatar
      moon#pie -
      Quote Originally Posted by NSXrebel View Post
      I see where part of the confusion in this argument is at. When he typed 3g ipod touch, he meant 3rd generation ipod touch, and you took it as him calling it the iPod Touch 3G. Of course there's no iPod Touch 3G, that's called an iPhone.

      If the number and "g" are in front of the name of the device, I take that as referencing the generation. If it's after the name, i take that as the model of the device.

      I knew exactly what he meant. I just responded using proper terms. Then he says I'm not under standing him. He is the one lacking understanding.




      Please, don't pull that card out. Post count doesn't mean crap. There are plenty of people who lurk forums and take years to finally post.


      It does when he joined yesterday, and is already demonstrating his stupidity. Yeah, post count doesn't matter. But thanks do.




      Yeah, the Verizon iPhone is coming, eventually, BUT you, I , nor anyone else here knows with certainty when it is. I say it's not coming till next year, as a CDMA/GSM/LTE phone next year. That's my EDUCATED guess. Here's why it's educated, and not based on some rumor.

      First, Apple's product release cycle for the iPhone is in June. IF, that's a big if, they release a Verizon iPhone, it won't be this month, or next, it will just be announced tomorrow, and released in the summer.

      Second, it WILL be a new phone. You think they can just swap radio chips and call it a day? Last time I read, CDMA and LTE chips were bigger and/or draw more power than GSM chips. There has to be redesign somewhere, where performance stays on par or better with the current offering.

      Third, and most important IMO, the 5 year exclusivity contract between Apple & AT&T. Wether that contract was effective Jan '07 when the iPhone was announced or June '07, on its actual release, that contract is good till January 2012 at the earliest, June 2012 at the latest. If Verizon is indeed getting an iPhone this year, they are paying AT&T a substantial amount of $$$$ (maybe Apple too) for breaching that contract.

      Lastly, if Verizon gets the iPhone, I don't think it will be CDMA/GSM. I definitely think it won't be LTE. Verizon wouldn't want it's customers bailing out on them for AT&T or T-Mobile.

      Uhhh, yeah they could. It doesn't need to be a new iphone. And the 5 year contract is also just a rumor. Please come back with facts.



      wahh.

      Yeah, that doesn't make sense.
      Replies are in bold.
    1. StealthBravo's Avatar
      StealthBravo -
      We will know very soon
    1. mr117's Avatar
      mr117 -
      Google Apple/AT&T contract length:

      How long is Cingular/AT&T Wireless the exclusive iPhone carrier in the US?

      As noted in the press release promoting the agreement, Apple entered into a "multi-year partnership" for Cingular -- later rebranded again as "Wireless from AT&T" -- to exclusively provide cellular voice and data services for the iPhone.

      Steve Jobs explained that this was because Cingular was the "best and most popular carrier in the US". No doubt some readers would debate whether or not the company really is the "best".

      No official information regarding the precise length of the contract is available, but given that upon its introduction the iPhone required a two year contract with Cingular/AT&T Wireless for service it was a safe bet that the contract would be for at least two years from June 2006 in the United States. However, CNN reported that the contract was "through 2009" and USA Today reported that it was for "five years".

      A January 10, 2007, article in the New York Times also said that if you want to use the iPhone on another carrier like T-Mobile, "you'll be waiting a long time, my friend" and that "the [multi-year] agreement also include[d] future models which would be introduced 'soon.'"

      More recently, on April 15, 2009, the WSJ reported:

      AT&T's exclusive deal to carry the iPhone in the U.S. expires next year, according to people familiar with the matter, and [AT&T CEO Randall] Stephenson is now in discussions with Apple Inc. to get an extension until 2011.
      Additionally, MacRumors spotted an April 16, 2009 interview with Verizon CEO Ivan Seidenberg where he noted "it is more likely that Apple would be willing to work with the carrier under the fourth-generation, or 4G, network" and speculates that since Verizon plans to launch its 4G network in 2010 and AT&T Wireless' contract expires around the same time, this would be a convenient time for Apple to support multiple carriers.

      Since that time, rumors of a CDMA-based iPhone to run on Verizon's network have persisted, but AT&T's grip on the iPhone remains as tight as ever. More recent speculation ponders whether or not this exclusivity will end in 2011, but at this point one would be wise to remain skeptical given the track record of earlier speculation. It seems highly likely that AT&T was able to extend the exclusivity arrangement in exchange for profit sharing related to the iPad data plans.
    1. StealthBravo's Avatar
      StealthBravo -
      If it works on gsm also and has fixed iPhone 4 issues, I may just buy one.
    1. mr117's Avatar
      mr117 -
      Issues? Mine has no proximity issues, rarely drops a call - almost always when talking to my son on his i4 (he's in Oakland in a house that seems to block signal on any phone), never have signal strength issues unless I go to the total boonies (even when I had no case). I'm at a loss as to these issues. Battery is better than my 3GS, not sure if it is better than my 3G. Every time I go to the Apple store, people are buying i4s. My younger boy is in karate, and many of the parents have i4s- one time, five of us had ours going at the same time. Issues?
    1. StealthBravo's Avatar
      StealthBravo -
      I have switched my iPhone 4 several times and still have the proximity issue. I can live with the others but that one is frustrating.
    1. Tech guy's Avatar
      Tech guy -
      Hey guys look what I found on the Internet.

      Hm, what product could make Apple cover the windows of a retail shop so soon after the holiday shopping season? Surely not the iPad 2. Maybe something that looks the same but works on a totally new network? You know, that Verizon iPhone that we've been hearing about for a few years now, perchance? Well, as it turns out, probably not.

      The above pic and another one posted on Uneasy Silence by way of TwitPic (dated January 9, 2011) show retail employees deploying the big black shroud to cover the store windows. The poster is from the UK, but no specific location of this store is given. Calls to several US stores said they are not covering up, and honestly covering up (and closing a retail shop) for an entire day before a major announcement would be nuts. This cover-up is most likely for an already-existing product that is getting a new window display, which would be installed overnight. It happens frequently at Apple Stores, particularly after the holidays.

      Despite the unrelated coverup, we're hearing that retail employees will have a meeting next weekend for the "red zone" -- a code name given to the sales area of the floor. We're also hearing of a possible new set up area, meaning you may see a part of stores set up to accommodate new iPhone purchasers get their phones activated. This would be great for Verizon customers suddenly flocking to Apple's warm embrace, yes? At any rate, it's more about the service than the product, both in the retail experience and on your network when you leave the store.

      Update: As 9to5Mac points out and we hear independently, starting January 11 there will be no more restocking fees. Perhaps this "test drive anything" policy is getting some big display announcement?
      That would seem apropos.


      Hum
      Sneaky.

      But I can not wait for the version iPhone. Sorry I can not get the photo
    1. reyg25atx's Avatar
      reyg25atx -
      Quote Originally Posted by mr117 View Post
      Google Apple/AT&T contract length:

      How long is Cingular/AT&T Wireless the exclusive iPhone carrier in the US?

      As noted in the press release promoting the agreement, Apple entered into a "multi-year partnership" for Cingular -- later rebranded again as "Wireless from AT&T" -- to exclusively provide cellular voice and data services for the iPhone.

      Steve Jobs explained that this was because Cingular was the "best and most popular carrier in the US". No doubt some readers would debate whether or not the company really is the "best".

      No official information regarding the precise length of the contract is available, but given that upon its introduction the iPhone required a two year contract with Cingular/AT&T Wireless for service it was a safe bet that the contract would be for at least two years from June 2006 in the United States. However, CNN reported that the contract was "through 2009" and USA Today reported that it was for "five years".

      A January 10, 2007, article in the New York Times also said that if you want to use the iPhone on another carrier like T-Mobile, "you'll be waiting a long time, my friend" and that "the [multi-year] agreement also include[d] future models which would be introduced 'soon.'"

      More recently, on April 15, 2009, the WSJ reported:

      AT&T's exclusive deal to carry the iPhone in the U.S. expires next year, according to people familiar with the matter, and [AT&T CEO Randall] Stephenson is now in discussions with Apple Inc. to get an extension until 2011.
      Additionally, MacRumors spotted an April 16, 2009 interview with Verizon CEO Ivan Seidenberg where he noted "it is more likely that Apple would be willing to work with the carrier under the fourth-generation, or 4G, network" and speculates that since Verizon plans to launch its 4G network in 2010 and AT&T Wireless' contract expires around the same time, this would be a convenient time for Apple to support multiple carriers.

      Since that time, rumors of a CDMA-based iPhone to run on Verizon's network have persisted, but AT&T's grip on the iPhone remains as tight as ever. More recent speculation ponders whether or not this exclusivity will end in 2011, but at this point one would be wise to remain skeptical given the track record of earlier speculation. It seems highly likely that AT&T was able to extend the exclusivity arrangement in exchange for profit sharing related to the iPad data plans.

      AT&T exclusivity agreement with Apple ends 01/10/2011 at 11:59pm

      The Verizon announcement is on 1/11/2011 hmmmm how weird!
    1. NSXrebel's Avatar
      NSXrebel -
      Quote Originally Posted by Tech guy View Post
      Hey guys look what I found on the Internet.

      Hm, what product could make Apple cover the windows of a retail shop so soon after the holiday shopping season? Surely not the iPad 2. Maybe something that looks the same but works on a totally new network? You know, that Verizon iPhone that we've been hearing about for a few years now, perchance? Well, as it turns out, probably not.

      The above pic and another one posted on Uneasy Silence by way of TwitPic (dated January 9, 2011) show retail employees deploying the big black shroud to cover the store windows. The poster is from the UK, but no specific location of this store is given. Calls to several US stores said they are not covering up, and honestly covering up (and closing a retail shop) for an entire day before a major announcement would be nuts. This cover-up is most likely for an already-existing product that is getting a new window display, which would be installed overnight. It happens frequently at Apple Stores, particularly after the holidays.

      Despite the unrelated coverup, we're hearing that retail employees will have a meeting next weekend for the "red zone" -- a code name given to the sales area of the floor. We're also hearing of a possible new set up area, meaning you may see a part of stores set up to accommodate new iPhone purchasers get their phones activated. This would be great for Verizon customers suddenly flocking to Apple's warm embrace, yes? At any rate, it's more about the service than the product, both in the retail experience and on your network when you leave the store.

      Update: As 9to5Mac points out and we hear independently, starting January 11 there will be no more restocking fees. Perhaps this "test drive anything" policy is getting some big display announcement?
      That would seem apropos.


      Hum
      Sneaky.

      But I can not wait for the version iPhone. Sorry I can not get the photo


      Here's your answer to why some stores are covering their windows.

      "Apple has had a personal setup service for iPhone purchases made at Apple retail stores for some time now. Since Thanksgiving, Apple has offered the same personal setup service for iPad and iPod touch purchases. Apple has not had a true personal setup service for Mac purchases, but come Tuesday, in some markets, personal setup for Mac will be available. Traditionally, Apple Stores have allowed you to ask a few questions and take a few pointers but this new personal setup for Mac service takes points from the iOS device version of the service."


      More of this story from 9to5
      Apple launching personal setup for Macs at Apple Stores | 9 to 5 Mac Apple launching personal setup for Macs at Apple Stores | Apple Intelligence
    1. Hondamaker's Avatar
      Hondamaker -
      Quote Originally Posted by jdm.accord View Post
      This is interesting. However, it doesn't seem likely that Verizon would get this announcement and not Apple. Seems like Apple would want to unveil this themselves.

      The Gizmodo rumor thing is interesting but do they normally get invited? And Engadget is the blog that broke the news, not Gizmodo. I'd be surprised if this is the iPhone unless Jobs is there and walks out on stage with Ivan. Still seems like Apple would want this event.
      There is a rumor that Jobs will be there to share in the announcent.
      Engadget may have published the iPhone leak, but gizmodo was the one that bought the iPhone from the finder and didn't give it to apple.
    1. EskimoRuler's Avatar
      EskimoRuler -
      Quote Originally Posted by jdm.accord View Post
      This is interesting. However, it doesn't seem likely that Verizon would get this announcement and not Apple. Seems like Apple would want to unveil this themselves.

      The Gizmodo rumor thing is interesting but do they normally get invited? And Engadget is the blog that broke the news, not Gizmodo. I'd be surprised if this is the iPhone unless Jobs is there and walks out on stage with Ivan. Still seems like Apple would want this event.
      I Agree, even if its not a brand new product, it's almost like one in how big this rumor has gotten and even the publicity that it has been getting, I'm sure jobs will want to be there