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  • @comex To Wait Until 4.3 For Untether?


    A somewhat enigmatic email from @comex is raising speculation that the next untethered jailbreak may be held back for iOS 4.3. An Italian blogger contacted the guy behind Spirit and JailbreakMe to ask for a short and sweet answer to the question of whether the untether will be available for 4.2.1 or 4.3, and received the response that it "depends when 4.3 is out."

    The Dev-Team released the "backup plan" tethered jailbreak after it was clear that @comex was not going to be able to hit his Christmas target for the userland jailbreak he has been working on. Dubbed "jailbreak monte" (after the now-you-see-it, now-you-don't card trick), the current version of redsn0w, as well as the untethered version in beta, conserves exploits by relying on iOS 4.2 beta 3, which is only available to developers. This has led to a proliferation of pirated betas, which @comex says "is making me nervous." But with the only alternative being a userland jailbreak that Apple would fix in 4.3, @comex has apparently concluded that it makes more strategic sense to hold back on that for now, and wait for the next firmware release. The email sent to Andrea Cervone of iPhoneItalia supposedly had come from the email address @comex has publicized on his Twitter feed, though obviously that's easy to fake in a screenshot.

    Right now we're at a bit of an impasse, because there are a lot of people who want/need jailbreaks who don't have the $99 to pay for an iOS Developer license, or are ineligible for one because of their age and country of origin. As long as "monte" is the only jailbreak method out there, it's going to tempt those people to pirate 4.2b3, which as @chpwn notes "hurts the image of jailbreaking" by giving detractors an excuse to paint it as "illegal and illegitimate." Let's hope that the standoff ends quickly.

    Source: Redmond Pie; image via iPhoneItalia
    This article was originally published in forum thread: @comex To Wait Until 4.3 For Untether? started by Paul Daniel Ash View original post
    Comments 151 Comments
    1. mortopher's Avatar
      mortopher -
      Quote Originally Posted by DRFP View Post
      Its not the DevTeam its Apple, the courts need to help us and tell Apple they cannot close the exploits for JB, in other words make the IOS ( which they make mandatory to run the Apps by making the App developers in the App store change the apps to require the newer IOS) open to the JB officially. Its time and its the right/ Legal thing to do, It's illegal to maintain the monopoly.

      To those who support Apple's Exclusive stance on IOS and the Hardware, then do you support
      WalMart?
      Microsoft?

      2 other companies that try to outsell and squash the competition

      You can't have it both ways its either you support open markets or not.

      Competition is good for all

      thats why I support Apple products and Microsoft products
      but I hate both in the operating to control the market, market should be left free and open.

      Oh, I shop at WalMart too....LOL

      We need to continue to work on change not to bash, Apple needs correction not to be run out of business.
      Just as WalMart and M$.

      We would not be better off without any of them, but it can be better.
      You need to learn what exactly exploits are and then you will understand why Apple has a duty to it's customers (roughly 85-90% don't jailbreak at all) to patch up the majority of these vulnerabilities without hesitation.
    1. DRFP's Avatar
      DRFP -
      Quote Originally Posted by mortopher View Post
      You need to learn what exactly exploits are and then you will understand why Apple has a duty to it's customers (roughly 85-90% don't jailbreak at all) to patch up the majority of these vulnerabilities without hesitation.
      I know what they are!
      Did you read what I said?

      in other words make the IOS ( which they make mandatory to run the Apps by making the App developers in the App store change the apps to require the newer IOS) open to the JB officially
      I think I clearly said to open up the IOS!

      Thats the point of JB not to steal anything or exploit.

      In Apple's weird world JB is stealing profits from them, they have a right to keep us from using products made by other people who give it freely or by selling the software to run on IOS, Apple thinks it has a right to profit from anything and everything that could run on IOS ( So it must be approved by Apple and go through the apple store). This is truly a control issue due to making money nothing else, if it made no money I'm not sure if the Anal Apple leader (My opinion) would still not pitch a fit about control.

      Challenge to my belief: If the App store was truly about quality control, then why do so many apps and updates crash? Why does Apple allow people to buy Apps through the store that Do not work? I have bought 2 apps in the past, one never worked, another crashed and stopped working after an Update....... it was discontinued
      So my money was "Stolen" from me by Apple and the developer huh? Profit!

      JB is legal and our right! The warranty should not be "Voided" because of it. Its like saying the warranty of a PC hardware is null and void because Windows is being used with other programs or OSX is being used with other programs............ Hardware failure many times has nothing to due with software, if it does then they must be made to prove it before not honoring the warranty, its about control yet again.
    1. jdm.accord's Avatar
      jdm.accord -
      Quote Originally Posted by DRFP View Post

      JB is legal and our right! The warranty should not be "Voided" because of it. Its like saying the warranty of a PC hardware is null and void because Windows is being used with other programs or OSX is being used with other programs............ Hardware failure many times has nothing to due with software, if it does then they must be made to prove it before not honoring the warranty, its about control yet again.
      lol its not a "right." Its legal but it certainly isn't a "right" that must be protected like free speech or suffrage. That's hilarious.

      Warranty is a completely separate issue. Basically the ruling could challenge the legality of Apple voiding warranties based on JB but go ahead and try. You'd spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on legal bills to get a warranty claim on $600 phone. You'd prolly win but it'd take years and lots of $$$. Makes no sense.

      But Apple is under zero obligation to write software that allows for JB. If they want to update their BB or firmware, that's their prerogative and something you should consider before buying their product. If you don't like it, don't update or don't buy their product.

      Be thankful Apple doesn't do OTA updates that require you to upgrade or lose functionality of your phone. Everyone wants their cake and to eat it too. Gotta have the iPhone but can't stand Apple taking away your JB so lets complain about how your inalienable "rights" are being violated.
    1. iphonetechtips's Avatar
      iphonetechtips -
      Quote Originally Posted by dq13 View Post
      I am no developer and have never been, but my iphone 4 says it has SHSH saved for 4.2b3?? or this "pirate" thing applies to the actual firmware that only devs have? I kinda got lost for a second
      The ethical dispute Devs are having is over the 4.2b3 IPSW or actual iOS Firmware file. To use latest redsn0w 0.9.7b4 (currently Mac only beta 4) dubbed "Jailbreak Monte" you need SHSH blobs saved in Cydia for iOS 4.2b3 & the IPSW file saved to your desktop.

      While this method is better than nothing, it does mean many people will find the 4.2b3 IPSW without a developer's account & make the icommunity look worse than we already do. Looks as though many will just have to deal with a tethered JB or wait for 4.3

      Even though Geohot is an egotist & attention whore who leaves other devs to trouble shoot his bugs. He is by far the best at creating very easy to use & stable jailbreaks. It's truly amazing the work he gets done in literally days! & all by himself! I may not like his politics, but he knows what's up with iPhone hacking.
    1. DRFP's Avatar
      DRFP -
      Quote Originally Posted by jdm.accord View Post
      lol its not a "right." Its legal but it certainly isn't a "right" that must be protected like free speech or suffrage. That's hilarious.
      Whats hilarious is that if its legal then you have a "Right" per law to use or proceed with that behavior. Hence I have a legal "right" to JB or its allowed by law, jeesh some people will belittle and argue at every point huh?


      But Apple is under zero obligation to write software that allows for JB. If they want to update their BB or firmware, that's their prerogative and something you should consider before buying their product. If you don't like it, don't update or don't buy their product.
      if the update will not allow JB so I can continue to use legal programs and I'm forced to update to use these programs ( like in the app store by Apple) then yes its not legal. They are causing me harm by either not updating and loosing the apps I paid for in the Apple store or updating and loosing the cydia or other legal apps functionality

      Sorry to use logic here.

      Gotta have the iPhone but can't stand Apple taking away your JB so lets complain about how your inalienable "rights" are being violated.
      OMG that is your interpretation of my post, I never wrote "Inalienable" just my legal right.
    1. mortopher's Avatar
      mortopher -
      Quote Originally Posted by DRFP View Post
      In Apple's weird world JB is stealing profits from them
      That's not Apple's weird world, that is the reality of things. I'm not saying every jailbreaker pirates apps, or that even a majority do so, but the fact of the matter is that jailbreaking does enable the ability to pirate paid apps and thus effects Apple's bottom line.
    1. DRFP's Avatar
      DRFP -
      Quote Originally Posted by mortopher View Post
      That's not Apple's weird world, that is the reality of things. I'm not saying every jailbreaker pirates apps, or that even a majority do so, but the fact of the matter is that jailbreaking does enable the ability to pirate paid apps and thus effects Apple's bottom line.
      While that's true, pirated and cracked Apps are not a reason to keep the IOS exclusive To Apples whim.

      Its like Making all Macs Unable to use M$ office or Windows in the next update because some people will use pirated Win programs on the MAC ( oh yeah they tried this at one time )

      Just like Cars do not drink and drive, owners do,
      Software does not put and use Pirated software on the OS, people do.

      Its hard for me to agree with "Apple should have the right to stop JB because of Pirated software" When the JB is not putting Pirated software on the device, the owner installs it separately.
    1. spiral8's Avatar
      spiral8 -
      Quote Originally Posted by iFrosty View Post
      +1
      ++1
    1. Snozberries's Avatar
      Snozberries -
      Quote Originally Posted by jdm.accord View Post
      Jailbreaking is just as easy and in most cases easier (blackra1n, jailbreakme etc.). Ease of use has nothing to do with "openness."

      Only time rooting has anything to do with the carriers is if you want to delete the bloatware 99% of Android devices come preloaded with (carrier specific in most cases).
      BIG Time Bloated BS. GF just got the Droid (ShmoidX and it came with 101 unecessary apps that she didn't need.. like madden effn football?? really?!
    1. alexevo's Avatar
      alexevo -
      There is any easy solution to the pirated apps dilemma. Require Internet connection when installing and use challenge-response protocol for apps.

      Furthermore, I have to play devils advocate regarding cracked apps and say there are legitimate reasons to have them. I have 1 cracked app only because I paid for the original license on my 3G but the developer isn't available any more. I wiped my 3G before I found out how to sync jailbroken apps and bought my 3GS. Legally I still own a license for one copy of the app and the developer isn't around any more so I downloaded the same version I had.

      What would all of you have done?

      Edit: I sold my 3G before buying my 3GS.

      Also has anyone figured out how to look into the firmwares and determine what differences there are and of you can replace certain files with updated versions without actually updating firmwares so we can preserve our jailbreaks?
    1. DRFP's Avatar
      DRFP -
      Well, we can rationalize Cracked and Pirated but........ its not legit.

      Openness has nothing to do with it,
      Also openness is the way to go and does matter as to freedom of use and choice.
    1. Antman217's Avatar
      Antman217 -
      I don't understand why he would wait for a firmware that has no proof of existence. This "4.3" may not even come out. Comex should just release the untethered jailbreak now and then find a new exploit if "4.3" actually comes out which doesn't seem soon. I bet geohot would have figured out and released an untethered jailbreak already. He may already have an untethered jailbreak but at least he's saving it for a new device not a stupid firmware which may not even exist!
    1. jdm.accord's Avatar
      jdm.accord -
      Quote Originally Posted by DRFP View Post
      Whats hilarious is that if its legal then you have a "Right" per law to use or proceed with that behavior. Hence I have a legal "right" to JB or its allowed by law, jeesh some people will belittle and argue at every point huh?
      Wrong. Just because something is legal doesn't mean its a right that must be protected, especially considering you have a choice as to which handset you use. Don't like the way Apple updates their firmware? Get a different phone. No one is forcing you to a) own an iPhone and b) update the firmware.

      Owning a house is legal but that doesn't mean you're given a house just because you're legally allowed to own it. Same thing with JB. Just because you can legally JB, doesn't mean Apple has to give it to you. There are dozens of similar examples.

      Bottom line is, you're allowed to JB and can do so. Be happy that its available at all. Apple isn't gonna change their mind all of sudden on JB and allow it. You're not gonna win fighting in court either (unless you've got gobs of money). So look at the glass as half-full and backup your blobs
    1. spideyrules's Avatar
      spideyrules -
      With absolutely ALL DUE RESPECT to the Dev team , I hate when they hold their JBs to the next iOS release. While I understand the thought process, essentially you’re just making the community wait and wait, then when the new iOS comes out we have to wait and wait some more. It’s like an endless loop. We hear “going to hold out till the next iOS release,” yet I have yet to see a JB come out a day or two after that release…
    1. Vansmack's Avatar
      Vansmack -
      U want to get at the dev team? Go on strike, that's right everyone stop jailbreaking, that'll show them. When they see all their profits...oh wait, they dont charge for jb? Oh I feel dumb, I guess it's up to them and I have to live with it or figure it out myself. Or maybe direct my voice to the team that is charging, Apple. Maybe.
    1. mortopher's Avatar
      mortopher -
      Quote Originally Posted by spideyrules View Post
      With absolutely ALL DUE RESPECT to the Dev team , I hate when they hold their JBs to the next iOS release. While I understand the thought process, essentially you’re just making the community wait and wait, then when the new iOS comes out we have to wait and wait some more. It’s like an endless loop. We hear “going to hold out till the next iOS release,” yet I have yet to see a JB come out a day or two after that release…
      Umm, iOS 4.2.1 was released on November 22 and the dev team released Redsn0w 0.9.6b4 on November 23 to allow a tethered jailbreak of 4.2.1 (and untethered for old bootrom devices).
    1. Truckerbear's Avatar
      Truckerbear -
      Quote Originally Posted by boxxa View Post
      The amount of drama in the jailbreak scene seems match that of a MTV reality show.
      That is the fun part. Their isn't any drama in the jailbreak community but they sure LOVE making Apply think there is! All this back and forth with the devteam/comex/ihatesn0w is just that a hoax that is to make Apple believe otherwise... Trust that we know that!
    1. chrisangel13's Avatar
      chrisangel13 -
      obviously there isn't an unlimited amount of ways to jailbreak an idevice, otherwise we wouldn't have to wait for the dev team or geohot to find such a method, therefore would you rather waste a valuable exploit on 4.2.1 knowing that it will be patched by Apple in the next firmware AND also knowing that 4.3 is just around the corner, or could you stop whining for one second and be patient because as I imagine finding these exploits is no easy task
    1. Vansmack's Avatar
      Vansmack -
      I agree stop complaining but to be fair, there will always be another firmware around the corner. After 4.3 there will be 4.5, etc so do us wait for that one? heck if I didn't have to get a new phone I would still be on 4.1. I say give the user the option, if u can release an exploit for 4.2.1 go ahead and if apple closes it with 4.3 then it's the users option to upgrade or not.
    1. Sanady361's Avatar
      Sanady361 -
      I'm still on 4.1 which runs smoother than smooth.. No worries on updating to 4.2 or 4.3... Doesn't do me any good. Everything runs just great on 4.1.. And all apple is doin is releasing updates to patch jailbreak holes. Ridiculous, thought after the last time that the iPhone was now pwned for life until they change the hardware!

      I'm still wondering why an unlock for iPhone 4 for 2.10.04 hasn't been released???