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  • iOS May Start Taking Leads Over Android, Why? Flash.

    Android gets Flash (usually), iOS doesn't. This may change.

    In a report this morning by The Verge, Adobe seems to be killing mobile Flash support for Android and RIM devices. What does this mean? It means Android and iOS may finally be at the same playing level. Steve Jobs of Apple never wanted Flash on the iDevice lineup. As of late, he put his faith in HTML 5 which is slowly taking support on the Internet. Adobe, wants to grasp HTML 5, too. That being said, Android devices and iOS devices will be on the same page HTML 5, with no Flash support.

    Quote Originally Posted by Adobe
    Our future work with Flash on mobile devices will be focused on enabling Flash developers to package native apps with Adobe AIR for all the major app stores. We will no longer adapt Flash Player for mobile devices to new browser, OS version or device configurations. Some of our source code licensees may opt to continue working on and releasing their own implementations. We will continue to support the current Android and PlayBook configurations with critical bug fixes and security updates.
    So Adobe will continue to support those who have Flash already, however no new devices or new Android operating systems will be supported. So to get that awesome new Android phone after your Flash-supported one becomes a dinosaur will mean sacrificing the Adobe Flash and joining the bandwagon that is the future of mobile computing. iDevices already support HTML 5 in iOS 5's enhanced Safari. So iOS is ready for this change. How about you Android? I personally don't know how Android devices cope with HTML 5 because I've never owned one. But I know that the killing of Adobe Flash for Android might kill some Android fans' interest in the product. Flash is generally one of the first reasons that is brought up in Android versus iOS debates. Without Flash, I would say iOS and Android are on pretty level playing fields.

    So what does this mean for Apple? Well, the iPad 2 is already a hit. It cannibalizes the market and it's priced very well. The only people who aren't buying iPads? The people buying Android tablets (nix the small percentage of other tablets). Those people are the ones bragging that they have flash on their tablets. A great number of those tablet owners may be frustrated with this news as in about a year when tablets start sporting quad-core processors, their Flash supported single/dual core tablets will feel like sluggish boxes. When they upgrade they may just buy the next iPad. This is great for Apple because they like to collect money from their dear and beloved iPad.

    It's not only Apple that has taken the stage light off of Flash, but Google, too has brought more attention to HTML 5 than Flash as The Verge reports. So Adobe feels a little left out and wants to kill Flash to start bringing support for HTML 5 to make both major sellers happy (and to make money of course).

    So what do you think? If you have an Android device and it no longer gets to have Flash, will you go with iOS? Share below!

    Sources: The Verge
    This article was originally published in forum thread: iOS May Start Taking Leads Over Android, Why? Flash. started by Anthony Bouchard View original post
    Comments 41 Comments
    1. cmwade77's Avatar
      cmwade77 -
      Ok, first off, I don't think Flash made that much of a difference to Android.Android and iOS are both equally good and capable systems, it will all come down to price more than anything else.That being said, just because Adobe is no longer making a mobile flash player doesn't mean that someone else can't.
    1. santacruzlocal's Avatar
      santacruzlocal -
      This is the best news I have heard in a while .. yes my life is that bad right now !!!
    1. BenderRodriguez's Avatar
      BenderRodriguez -
      Yeah as if, we've had the iphone since like 2007 no flash
    1. ssfirme's Avatar
      ssfirme -
      This SUCKS, HTML SUCKS!!!!!!!! I used to be a IOS FANBOY,BUT NOT ANYMORE,ANDROID IS AWSOME
    1. battlecrushr's Avatar
      battlecrushr -
      Quote Originally Posted by ssfirme View Post
      This SUCKS, HTML SUCKS!!!!!!!! I used to be a IOS FANBOY,BUT NOT ANYMORE,ANDROID IS AWSOME
      Uhh. Ok Then
    1. Xenthis's Avatar
      Xenthis -
      Quote Originally Posted by expl0itfinder View Post
      I never understood why flash could not be enabled through jailbreaking
      It could for a while there - the servers are down now, but I had Frash and it worked - barely...

      Quote Originally Posted by donkeykongking View Post
      it is, google "frash" for iphone
      Dang it - beat me to it..
    1. NictraSavios's Avatar
      NictraSavios -
      Quote Originally Posted by expl0itfinder View Post
      I never understood why flash could not be enabled through jailbreaking

      Well, it would be like running Gnome (A Linux GUI) on OSX.

      Android is a Linux platform, iOS is a mac platform. The software for one OS is incompatible with one another for reasons that get right down into the binary level, and some that are just how we define functions as well as the architecture of Android devices vs iOS.
    1. jOnGarrett's Avatar
      jOnGarrett -
      flash is being replaced with adobe air so calm down, android's market share will continue to grow.

      Quote Originally Posted by Albania View Post
      How can you even think that iOS is getting more market because of Flash death? Do you think that people who choose android, use it because of flash? 99% of people dont give a f*** if it is in there or not. Sure there are people who consider it as an extra, but not as the main reason for choosing a smartphone or a tablet. I wish i can disable flash from my GSII (there might be ways, but im not that interested)
      Simple., if you dont want flash just use another browser. Opera mini and firefox are great browsers and neither support flash.

      Quote Originally Posted by JazJon View Post
      Very interesting, I did NOT expect to hear this news either. I can't wait until Flash is no longer of interest to anyone, and ALL devices are HTML 5, 6, 7, 8 compatible into the future.
      Wrong, Adobe is replacing Flash with AIR. And Android supports both.

      Quote Originally Posted by markydias View Post
      I'm curious to know WHY they choose Android because I've had both and I don't see the big fuss. (honest question)
      don't see the big fuss? you're not very honest are you?

      I'll tell you why I Chose Android.

      I wanted a dual core processor (6 MOTHS AGO !!! which is the minimum time Android phones have had this)
      I wanted USB, micro HDMI and micro SD slots
      I wanted wireless sync capabilities
      I wanted 1080p video recording and play back (more than 6 months old on Android devices)
      I wanted an 8MP camera (more than 6 months old on Android devices)
      I wanted 5.1 surround sound
      I wanted a screen larger than 3.5"
      I wanted Widgets
      I wanted to be able to install any app that I WANT, and not be limited to what apple said I could have.
      I wanted to be able to add content to my device WITHOUT the limitations and problems of iTunes
      I wanted a Super Amoled Plus display which is superior to Retina display.
      I wanted pictures in my Address book
      I wanted the ability to choose which apps would be my default app (mail, browser, SMS etc etc)
      I wanted themes and other tweaks without having to jailbreak and render my OS unstable, laggy and full of bugs.
      I wanted the ability to decide which Software version I could run on my device and downgrade if I changed my mind.
      I wanted support for USB devices (keyboards, mice and game controllers) on my tablet.
      I wanted a wide variety of handsets to choose from and not be stuck with just one style cause one size DON'T fit all
      I wanted a wide variety of tablet sizes to choose from (Samsung has tablets in 5.3", 7.0", 7.7", 8.9" & 10.1")
      I wanted a full Gig of RAM
      I wanted higher than 0.7MP rear camera on my tablet
      I wanted a 16:9 rectangular screen on my tablet and NOT a 4:3 square screen

      so that's the big fuss about Android and why its more desirable than iOS (as market shares world wide clearly reflect)
    1. NegativeBeef's Avatar
      NegativeBeef -
      Quote Originally Posted by ohthatguyagain View Post
      To anyone who doesn't understand why even Adobe stopped supporting Flash:

      Use a utility to monitor your CPU usage (PC: ctrl alt delete - performance). With no other applications open, go check your farm or some other ridiculous flash-based website. See your CPU usage shoot up over 90%? That's why.

      Now go tackle HTML5... Less than 40%? That, too, is why.
      I have 3 tabs open with flash contents playing and my cpu ain't going over 20%. What a load of ****.
    1. HamDani's Avatar
      HamDani -
      Quote Originally Posted by jOnGarrett View Post
      flash is being replaced with adobe air so calm down, android's market share will continue to grow.



      Simple., if you dont want flash just use another browser. Opera mini and firefox are great browsers and neither support flash.



      Wrong, Adobe is replacing Flash with AIR. And Android supports both.



      don't see the big fuss? you're not very honest are you?

      I'll tell you why I Chose Android.

      I wanted a dual core processor (6 MOTHS AGO !!! which is the minimum time Android phones have had this)
      I wanted USB, micro HDMI and micro SD slots
      I wanted wireless sync capabilities
      I wanted 1080p video recording and play back (more than 6 months old on Android devices)
      I wanted an 8MP camera (more than 6 months old on Android devices)
      I wanted 5.1 surround sound
      I wanted a screen larger than 3.5"
      I wanted Widgets
      I wanted to be able to install any app that I WANT, and not be limited to what apple said I could have.
      I wanted to be able to add content to my device WITHOUT the limitations and problems of iTunes
      I wanted a Super Amoled Plus display which is superior to Retina display.
      I wanted pictures in my Address book
      I wanted the ability to choose which apps would be my default app (mail, browser, SMS etc etc)
      I wanted themes and other tweaks without having to jailbreak and render my OS unstable, laggy and full of bugs.
      I wanted the ability to decide which Software version I could run on my device and downgrade if I changed my mind.
      I wanted support for USB devices (keyboards, mice and game controllers) on my tablet.
      I wanted a wide variety of handsets to choose from and not be stuck with just one style cause one size DON'T fit all
      I wanted a wide variety of tablet sizes to choose from (Samsung has tablets in 5.3", 7.0", 7.7", 8.9" & 10.1")
      I wanted a full Gig of RAM
      I wanted higher than 0.7MP rear camera on my tablet
      I wanted a 16:9 rectangular screen on my tablet and NOT a 4:3 square screen

      so that's the big fuss about Android and why its more desirable than iOS (as market shares world wide clearly reflect)

      Totally agree wih this guys...i already sold my ipad 1 and buy new asus transformer...very satisfied with this tablet.the reason i choose android is like this guys says,1gb ram,widget on homescreen(without jailbreaking) and minimum of crash to compare with ipad 1 either on ipad 2..ipad 1 cannot even compare to my phone htc wildfire that have 384mb of ram..this is my last post on modmyi(maybe) because i no longer using ios devices...haha..pathetic ipad small ram.
    1. BenderRodriguez's Avatar
      BenderRodriguez -
      Quote Originally Posted by ssfirme View Post
      This SUCKS, HTML SUCKS!!!!!!!! I used to be a IOS FANBOY,BUT NOT ANYMORE,ANDROID SUCKS
      Okay so u basically you just said the Internet sucks?

      And Android sucks too which I can agree with
    1. Nickaroni22's Avatar
      Nickaroni22 -
      Steve is smilin 😊
    1. BenderRodriguez's Avatar
      BenderRodriguez -
      Quote Originally Posted by Nickaroni22 View Post
      Steve is smilin 😊
      Um FALSE, Steve Jobs hated flash so he created G4Y QuickTime, which is why flash never came to the iphone while Steve was there to say something

      So it's almost refreshing that they get to update their products with flash now

      I'm not saying I'm glad he's dead just that his idea about flash gets to die with him
    1. Anthony Bouchard's Avatar
      Anthony Bouchard -
      Quote Originally Posted by jOnGarrett View Post
      so that's the big fuss about Android and why its more desirable than iOS (as market shares world wide clearly reflect)
      Considering how well the iPad is doing compared to Android tablets, I disagree with you there. There are many who buy into the Apple ecosystem, so they have Macs that are fully compatible with the devices. That means there's no need for micro USB and all of that third party paraphernalia you just listed. Those are just excuses for one to say that the iPhone has less features when it's really packed with more than meets the eye. Everything's solid and packed into a super small device which is what demand is asking for. This is why iOS is selling large amounts of tablets and smartphones (including iPod). No single Android device has ever outsold one of Apple's. Android is a collection of hundreds, (thousands?) of devices which it took to compete against Apple's 3-device lineup. So if iOS is doing this well, I'd say it's in pretty high demand if 3 devices are beating all couple-hundred or thousand of Android's. In case you didn't know iOS devices all have support for keyboards. They have bluetooth.. you know.
    1. jOnGarrett's Avatar
      jOnGarrett -
      Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Bouchard View Post
      Considering how well the iPad is doing compared to Android tablets, I disagree with you there. There are many who buy into the Apple ecosystem, so they have Macs that are fully compatible with the devices. That means there's no need for micro USB and all of that third party paraphernalia you just listed. Those are just excuses for one to say that the iPhone has less features – when it's really packed with more than meets the eye. Everything's solid and packed into a super small device which is what demand is asking for. This is why iOS is selling large amounts of tablets and smartphones (including iPod). No single Android device has ever outsold one of Apple's. Android is a collection of hundreds, (thousands?) of devices which it took to compete against Apple's 3-device lineup. So if iOS is doing this well, I'd say it's in pretty high demand if 3 devices are beating all couple-hundred or thousand of Android's. In case you didn't know – iOS devices all have support for keyboards. They have bluetooth.. you know.
      The iPad has sold more than all Android Tablets combined and but in just one year has lost nearly 30% of its market share. when the Kindle Fire is released, expect the iPad market share to drop considerably. when the iPhone was released, it was king of the hill. a year later Android was released and today Android's market share is nearly double that of iOS.

      Things take time, its not going to happen over night and iOS has more than 3 devices. there are 5 phones, 2 tablets and what...like 6 iPod touch.

      Its funny how apple fans try to say that having a multitude of android devices to choose from is a weakness., choice is one of the things that makes Android far more popular than iOS. how many more iPads do you think apple would sell if they offered several different sizes to choose from like Samsung? please don't sit there and tell me that you wouldn't be interested (very interested) in a 5.23", 7.0", 7.7" 8.9" & 10.1" iPads. a 7.0" iPad would compete directly with the kindle fire and nook color and apple's sales of a 7.0" tablet would go through the roof.

      as for no single Android device outselling any single Apple device. let me ask you this. which would sell more. an iPone running Android or an Android phone running iOS? answer honestly.
    1. Anthony Bouchard's Avatar
      Anthony Bouchard -
      Quote Originally Posted by jOnGarrett View Post
      as for no single Android device outselling any single Apple device. let me ask you this. which would sell more. an iPone running Android or an Android phone running iOS? answer honestly.
      The beauty of the iPhone is the wonderful case, contents, and its beautiful operating system. If Android had anything to do with it at all, or the phone was as ugly as most smartphones on the market - I wouldn't own one.

      With the Kindle Fire coming out, sure people will buy it, but the newest iPad is right around the corner - it will have better specs and eat the market right back up. I for-see this happening, it has happened in the past with the iPad 2. Competitors tried outselling the iPad; they started actually gaining numbers. Not a ton, but they were gaining. Then the iPad 2 came out and re-cannibalized the market. So time will tell and as history repeats itself, never underestimate Apple.
    1. jOnGarrett's Avatar
      jOnGarrett -
      Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Bouchard View Post
      The beauty of the iPhone is the wonderful case, contents, and its beautiful operating system. If Android had anything to do with it at all, or the phone was as ugly as most smartphones on the market - I wouldn't own one.

      With the Kindle Fire coming out, sure people will buy it, but the newest iPad is right around the corner - it will have better specs and eat the market right back up. I for-see this happening, it has happened in the past with the iPad 2. Competitors tried outselling the iPad; they started actually gaining numbers. Not a ton, but they were gaining. Then the iPad 2 came out and re-cannibalized the market. So time will tell and as history repeats itself, never underestimate Apple.
      I didn't understand your answer to my question. but anyway, you said something about ugly phones? are you serious? is that what you want in a phone? something that's pretty?

      as far as the numbers go., explain to me what happened to the smartphone market share that apple had before Android and the market share they have now? explain to me the market share of Mac OS vs Windows? if history repeats itself., 2 years from now your ipad.X will be down to around 20-30% market share. to loose 30% of market share in one year clearly shows the Strength Android has. iPad/iPad2 and iPhone 4S sales are made up mostly of fan boys wanting the latest gadget. apple isn't experiencing any growth in Market Share while Android continually grows each Qtr.
    1. ShaylaM's Avatar
      ShaylaM -
      Quote Originally Posted by expl0itfinder View Post
      I never understood why flash could not be enabled through jailbreaking
      There is some support in Frash (https://github.com/comex/frash)

      Edit: Sorry, I didn't realize it had been answered already.
    1. TheDirtyDiddler's Avatar
      TheDirtyDiddler -
      Quote Originally Posted by jOnGarrett View Post
      I didn't understand your answer to my question. but anyway, you said something about ugly phones? are you serious? is that what you want in a phone? something that's pretty?

      as far as the numbers go., explain to me what happened to the smartphone market share that apple had before Android and the market share they have now? explain to me the market share of Mac OS vs Windows? if history repeats itself., 2 years from now your ipad.X will be down to around 20-30% market share. to loose 30% of market share in one year clearly shows the Strength Android has. iPad/iPad2 and iPhone 4S sales are made up mostly of fan boys wanting the latest gadget. apple isn't experiencing any growth in Market Share while Android continually grows each Qtr.
      You're comparing Apple's DEVICES to Android's operating system. Don't you think it's kind of pathetic that it takes hundreds of Android devices combined to be in the same ballpark as Apple's 6 iOS devices currently sold? That doesn't say anything about the quality of Android, it's just math and numbers. Obviously hundreds of devices combined will outsell just a few. This is still planet Earth here. Sales doesn't equate to quality either. There are TONS of cheap people out there who want cheap smartphones. Android is their answer. Apple doesn't ship junk.
    1. BenderRodriguez's Avatar
      BenderRodriguez -
      Quote Originally Posted by TheDirtyDiddler View Post
      You're comparing Apple's DEVICES to Android's operating system. Don't you think it's kind of pathetic that it takes hundreds of Android devices combined to be in the same ballpark as Apple's 6 iOS devices currently sold? That doesn't say anything about the quality of Android, it's just math and numbers. Obviously hundreds of devices combined will outsell just a few. This is still planet Earth here. Sales doesn't equate to quality either. There are TONS of cheap people out there who want cheap smartphones. Android is their answer. Apple doesn't ship junk.
      I find it sad that your replying to a 4 month old almost dead thread