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  • Siri Ported to iPhone 4 and iPod 4G with Apple Connectivity - The True Story


    Note: A lot of this story is full of he said she said between two writers on two sites that have some personal issues. The owners of ModMyi feel that their personal issues should have been dealt with privately. We failed to notice the issues before this was published which was a mistake. If you read between the lines of everything this is the summary of the Siri port for non-iPhone 4s:

    The current state of the port is exactly what the previous state of the port (as reported here on modmyi) was, except that the server issue was worked around and a video was shown of it working. There is no way to do this legally at this time and all the files and instructions on the internet you'll find for enabling Siri on your older port are NOT current and will not give you a real Siri. We will of course post more on the subject if at some point it becomes possible to enable Siri legally on older devices and the developers that have been working on this decide to release publicly.

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    There's a lot of confusion in regards to Siri being ported with Apple connectivity. Here's the truth.
    Over the past few weeks, there has been a lot of news of Siri being ported to older devices floating around the internet. There have been numerous people who have been able to transfer the Siri files onto their older devices, however the main issue was getting Siri to connect to Apple's servers. Without Apple connectivity you're unable to utilize Siri whatsoever, making it just a useless component to your non-iPhone 4S device. A few developers such as Steven Troughton-Smith and Jack (Jackoplane) have been working constantly to hack Apple's code in order to get Apple connectivity. It's been a rigorous task as performance as well as connectivity need to work hand in hand. During the past week, there has been a lot of confusion in regards to the status and the people involved with the Siri port. Information has been misconstrued or even wrong in some areas. Here's the truth and full storyriginally, Jack was the first person to be able to get any non-iPhone 4S device to connect to Apple's servers. This was done using his own private DNS server. When knowledge of this was publicly known, the only people who were able see it live and working was myself and Alex Heath of iDownloadBlog. There are a few other prominent players in the jailbreak community that saw this in action as well but requested to remain anonymous. Since the beginning of Jack's involvement with Siri, I have been his primary beta tester. Alex and I hand in hand served as mediums for communicating what was going on to the best of our ability to those not in the loop.The server captured data going to and from the device and Apple's server and his device and changed values accordingly. This spoofing technique proved as a viable option, but after a ton of testing, a lot of issues came up. The method was cumbersome and didn't fit the profile for distribution purposes. It would require a lot of maintenance as well as funds to uphold a DNS server that could support a ton of traffic. Jack shelved the DNS idea and resorted to having to hack the actual files in order to get Siri to work with Apple's servers via the device. At this point in the scenario, Jack reached out to 5+ developers in the jailbreak community to start the process of getting Siri packaged and working 100%. Steven Troughton-Smith and previously spotlighted people in the Siri scene had been very quiet at this point and was making no indications of further developments with regards to Siri.While working with developers, Jack's main goal was to ensure that the port worked 100% and that it would mesh well with the jailbreak environment (i.e. Mobile Substrate). Since a jailbreak is required to use Siri on any device other than the iPhone 4S, it was key that Siri was optimized for the jailbreak environment. Days were spent packaging dylibs and other files to get it package ready for a possible release. In the mean time, Steven didn't make any statements saying that he was still involved publicly, however behind the scenes, he was very much active. As of tonight, Steven was able to get in touch with Grant Paul (chpwn) who has access to a jailbroken iPhone 4S, courtesy of the iPhone Dev-Team. While Steve and Grant were spending time with one another, they were able to get the key chain files they needed from the jailbroken iPhone 4S and simply copy and paste the files onto their respective non-iPhone 4S devices. This process proved successful and allowed them to use Siri on their devices with Apple connectivity.Below are videos of an iPhone 4S and iPod touch 4G demoing Siri with Apple connectivity: After all this, one might be quick to judge Jack and call him a liar or someone that has stolen files from the other parties involved. This is not the case and anyone that has publicly stated that this was the truth is incorrect. There were a lot of reasons and drama-related issues that kept Jack from demoing Siri weeks ago.There have been a lot of people involved with the port as well as those who've had full knowledge of what has been happening. Those people include myself and Alex Heath as mentioned earlier, iH8sn0w, and a few others. The past few weeks have been like walking through a room of egg shells. Information that was crucial to its progress were needed to be concealed as well as the methods behind doing so as well.According to Steven in his interview with 9to5Mac, they will not be releasing this hack to the public. This is due to the immense about of piracy required to get the port working as it is. If there is a method by which to port Siri without infringing on Apple (and getting sued) Siri will be publicly available. Until a method is found to work around the piracy issue, there is no ETA for a release of this Siri hack. So when it all boils down, the current state of the port is just a publicity stunt.The whole ordeal with this information airing on 9to5Mac in the way it has been has caused a lot of frustration and drama in the community between all of us, including Jack. Updates on the progress of this whole situation will be revealed as it hits the wild. Jack, Alex, and I are not here to discredit Steven and Grant's accomplishment with Siri. It's quite exciting, however there is much more going on behind the scenes than people know about currently.Stay tuned.Source(s): 9to5Mac
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Siri Ported to iPhone 4 and iPod 4G with Apple Connectivity - The True Story started by Joshua Tucker View original post
    Comments 61 Comments
    1. eZStaR's Avatar
      eZStaR -
      So why is it that the guys who made *******, potentially allowing millions to get pirated apps; not getting sued?It's the same concept, isn't it? If some one releases the guide or even an app explaining as to how siri gets ported, there shouldn't be much trouble. Especially if the dev releases it anonymously. ;D
    1. summernyte's Avatar
      summernyte -
      Quote Originally Posted by PlatoTheForms View Post
      Where can I see your movies?
      well put a dotcom after my name but don't join cause the webmasters ripping me off
    1. R.Mortera's Avatar
      R.Mortera -
      Quote Originally Posted by eZStaR View Post
      So why is it that the guys who made App Sync, potentially allowing millions to get pirated apps; not getting sued?It's the same concept, isn't it? If some one releases the guide or even an app explaining as to how siri gets ported, there shouldn't be much trouble. Especially if the dev releases it anonymously. ;D
      If you want Siri that bad, then buy an iPhone 4S.
    1. ramicio's Avatar
      ramicio -
      I think what Apple did is piracy, not people having to hack this. Siri was once an app, then they took it away, and now it is supported only on their newest and best device. Piracy is not only about people stealing from corporations, it should also be about corporations stealing from the people, as logic would dictate.
    1. vhicke's Avatar
      vhicke -
      The people that have been jailbreaking the phones known this but not worried about the legal problems there. So not sure what the problem is with hacking a server. Just add to the list. Apple loves the jailbreak community. They sell more phones for them. Apple steals apps from them and adds to there new iOS. Then hires all the good jailbreakers. Win win for Apple.
    1. sziklassy's Avatar
      sziklassy -
      Quote Originally Posted by NickFrey View Post
      The legal issues are not because of "hacking". There is no hacking of Siri servers involved. The reason it's illegal is because they're taking files from the iPhone 4S that are copyrighted and redistributing them for other people, when only the 4S is licensed to use them. I highly doubt there would be enough people using the Siri port that would cause trouble for Apple.
      For the sake of argument, it's still a hack. Through this hack/tweak/insert whatever you want here, "Siri servers" are officially talking only to the 4S. This is being circumvented and other devices that are "not supposed" to be talking to the servers are now talking to them. Don't normally correct people, but it seems you felt the need to correct someone else... At the end of the day legal issues are legal issues. Do the details really matter to the average user.
    1. zero-limit's Avatar
      zero-limit -
      I will give you few examples for ported apple software to other apple devices:
      Game Center on iPhone 3G - as you know it is not in the 3G firmware files, and yet part of the needed files are hosted in well known Cydia repos - no consequences whatsoever
      Nike+ on iPhone 3G - ported without any piracy consequences (used files from iPod 2G)
      Missing apps ported to iPad (1 and 2) - Clock, Weather, Stocks, Compass, Calculator - still no legal problems

      These examples went unpunished online, on non pirated repos and sites.

      Same should happen with Siri.

      One more thing, Siri is beta software, so many of the copyright rules can not be applied here.
    1. Twicci's Avatar
      Twicci -
      Quote Originally Posted by zero-limit View Post
      I will give you few examples for ported apple software to other apple devices:
      Game Center on iPhone 3G - as you know it is not in the 3G firmware files, and yet part of the needed files are hosted in well known Cydia repos - no consequences whatsoever
      Nike+ on iPhone 3G - ported without any piracy consequences (used files from iPod 2G)
      Missing apps ported to iPad (1 and 2) - Clock, Weather, Stocks, Compass, Calculator - still no legal problems

      These examples went unpunished online, on non pirated repos and sites.

      Same should happen with Siri.

      One more thing, Siri is beta software, so many of the copyright rules can not be applied here.
      Also you forgot Facetime on iPad 1 & iPhone 3GS.. This had a fine tut, even an installer + uploaded on some repos .. I didn't see no lawsuit!!
    1. sziklassy's Avatar
      sziklassy -
      Quote Originally Posted by zero-limit View Post
      I will give you few examples for ported apple software to other apple devices:
      Game Center on iPhone 3G - as you know it is not in the 3G firmware files, and yet part of the needed files are hosted in well known Cydia repos - no consequences whatsoever
      Nike+ on iPhone 3G - ported without any piracy consequences (used files from iPod 2G)
      Missing apps ported to iPad (1 and 2) - Clock, Weather, Stocks, Compass, Calculator - still no legal problems

      These examples went unpunished online, on non pirated repos and sites.

      Same should happen with Siri.

      One more thing, Siri is beta software, so many of the copyright rules can not be applied here.
      On the other side of the coin, Apple has nothing but to gain from those features being ported. With Siri, more of Apple's resources are being used without really any potential added profit. Also, all of your examples SEEM to me to be cases where Apple would have the legal grounds to shut these things down, but they choose not to since it may not be a big enough problem. Just a guess on that latter statement.
    1. Nest's Avatar
      Nest -
      I understand the devs don't want to get in trouble, but piracy isn't going to stop users of the jailbreak community. It's a JAILBREAK community. We pretty much have the definition of "F the police" in our name. lol c'mon son.
    1. CustomSS1's Avatar
      CustomSS1 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Nest View Post
      I understand the devs don't want to get in trouble, but piracy isn't going to stop users of the jailbreak community. It's a JAILBREAK community. We pretty much have the definition of "F the police" in our name. lol c'mon son.
      lol
      true that
    1. confucious's Avatar
      confucious -
      Quote Originally Posted by Nest View Post
      I understand the devs don't want to get in trouble, but piracy isn't going to stop users of the jailbreak community. It's a JAILBREAK community. We pretty much have the definition of "F the police" in our name. lol c'mon son.
      You obviously dont understand what Jailbreaking is for.

      I suggest you stop doing it.
    1. sziklassy's Avatar
      sziklassy -
      Quote Originally Posted by confucious View Post
      You obviously dont understand what Jailbreaking is for.

      I suggest you stop doing it.
      You mean jailbreaking wasn't created to cater to my needs and wants for free software? Oh man, I have been living a lie all this time.
    1. thetoothfairy's Avatar
      thetoothfairy -
      Quote Originally Posted by Nest View Post
      I understand the devs don't want to get in trouble, but piracy isn't going to stop users of the jailbreak community. It's a JAILBREAK community. We pretty much have the definition of "F the police" in our name. lol c'mon son.
      That is right... it is a jailbreak community and nothing else. And I am so glad that you are so proud to mention that you have that definition in your name however many people don't. Please come down to reality and act like a real person.
    1. Truckerbear's Avatar
      Truckerbear -
      Quote Originally Posted by MuscleNerd View Post
      The current state of the port is exactly what the previous state of the port (as reported here on modmyi) was, except that the server issue was worked around and a video was shown of it working.

      Therefore, if you believe the current state of the port is a publicity stunt, certainly the previous state of the port (as reported here on modmyi) was a publicity stunt as well.
      I find this to be a funny smack down of both articles. And the irony that a dev team member had to come and clear up the status of this is great. The OP was tl;dr after about three lines when we are mostly just looking for what Musclenerd just said.

      +1 to him!

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      Quote Originally Posted by ramicio View Post
      I think what Apple did is piracy, not people having to hack this. Siri was once an app, then they took it away, and now it is supported only on their newest and best device. Piracy is not only about people stealing from corporations, it should also be about corporations stealing from the people, as logic would dictate.
      I agree 100%. I had the app it wasn't that good but it could have been made better.

      Quote Originally Posted by zero-limit View Post
      I will give you few examples for ported apple software to other apple devices:
      Game Center on iPhone 3G - as you know it is not in the 3G firmware files, and yet part of the needed files are hosted in well known Cydia repos - no consequences whatsoever
      Nike+ on iPhone 3G - ported without any piracy consequences (used files from iPod 2G)
      Missing apps ported to iPad (1 and 2) - Clock, Weather, Stocks, Compass, Calculator - still no legal problems

      These examples went unpunished online, on non pirated repos and sites.

      Same should happen with Siri.

      One more thing, Siri is beta software, so many of the copyright rules can not be applied here.
      Netflix before it came to iPhone.
    1. sheon's Avatar
      sheon -
      Meh i just want my iPhone 4S Jailbreak please :-)i used Siri once and thats it who cares about voice control its cool but i dont care for itwhat i do care for is having my iPhone 4S jailbroken so i can get my Free Apps which is why people jailbreak they wants free shitz ...........
    1. thetoothfairy's Avatar
      thetoothfairy -
      Quote Originally Posted by sziklassy View Post
      You mean jailbreaking wasn't created to cater to my needs and wants for free software? Oh man, I have been living a lie all this time.
      No it was not created so you can have free software..... however if you want FREE software there is a ton of it in the app store. If you need any help I would be more than glad to direct you to the right places.

      Quote Originally Posted by sheon View Post
      Meh i just want my iPhone 4S Jailbreak please :-)i used Siri once and thats it who cares about voice control its cool but i dont care for itwhat i do care for is having my iPhone 4S jailbroken so i can get my Free Apps which is why people jailbreak they wants free shitz ...........
      Here ya go sweetie all of the free apps you could ever want! faad

      Quote Originally Posted by R.Mortera View Post
      If you want Siri that bad, then buy an iPhone 4S.
      What a great statement! Thank you so very much!
    1. Nest's Avatar
      Nest -
      Quote Originally Posted by thetoothfairy View Post
      That is right... it is a jailbreak community and nothing else. And I am so glad that you are so proud to mention that you have that definition in your name however many people don't. Please come down to reality and act like a real person.
      Act like a real person or act like you? I am acting like a real person. I'm being myself. Do you act like a moderator in real life? I apologize for posting about piracy and the warning was a fair judgement. That was my mistake. But telling me to "act like a real person" after telling me that my definition of a jailbreak community is flawed is ironic. Many people don't have your definition of "a real person" in their name. Sound familiar?
    1. i.Annie's Avatar
      i.Annie -
      Please stay on topic, if it isn't relevant about jailbreaking or this news topic, take it out in a PM.
    1. thetoothfairy's Avatar
      thetoothfairy -
      Quote Originally Posted by Nest View Post
      Act like a real person or act like you? I am acting like a real person. I'm being myself. Do you act like a moderator in real life? I apologize for posting about piracy and the warning was a fair judgement. That was my mistake. But telling me to "act like a real person" after telling me that my definition of a jailbreak community is flawed is ironic. Many people don't have your definition of "a real person" in their name. Sound familiar?
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