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  • iOS is 'PWNING' Nintendo's Profits

    Apple is completely wiping Nintendo's popularity off of the face of the earth.

    It was shortly after the release of the Nintendo 3DS that Nintendo had to downsize the price. Why? The iPod touch and the iPhone 4, which used to cost less than the Nintendo 3DS, proved to be a more popular gaming solution than any game that Nintendo game creators could whip up. No one wanted to buy $30+ game cartridges anymore. The future is here, and Apple saw that it would mean downloadable content would be the mainstream way to carry games with us.

    The choice is clear. Do you want to carry around cases of game cartridges for your clunky Nintendo 3DS? Or do you want to be able to download and delete games on the fly on your sleek, slim iPod touch or iPhone? The consumers have made this decision, and it is shown by how Nintendo's sales numbers are draining as each sales quarter goes by.

    Nintendo, the maker of the Wii, 3DS, DSi, and more reported that over a time span of just six months, they lost $925 million to the all-in-one mobile device maker, Apple. Nintendo is hanging on by threads. They hope that the upcoming holidays and promotions that stores will offer will help them sell their machines. They expect that through 2012 the Wii and 3DS will continue to fall victim to Apple's device cannibalization. With the iPhone 4S bringing a compact gaming experience that's seven to eight times better than the iPhone 4, Nintendo is going to have a hard time trying to sell their devices. Additionally, Apple's engineers keep making the iPhone better. Nintendo is already 3 steps behind and I don't see them being about to outpace Apple any time soon.

    The cannibalization of the market is beyond the stretch of Apple, though. Nintendo sees Android smartphones as a massive threat to their business as well. Android phones have graphics capabilities that equate the iPhone, however the iPhone 4S is currently in the lead of all smartphones.

    Nintendo has failed to cooperate with Apple, in that they have been encouraged to release their games on the Apple iOS platform. Games such as Mario, and Zelda. Nintendo sternly said no. While it may have been a reach for Nintendo, it certainly would have helped them rake in some revenue. With all of the iDevices out on the market, selling their games on the App Store would help with their upcoming debt problems. With addicting quick-sellers on the iOS platform such as Angry Birds, Fruit Ninja, and Words with Friends, Nintendo will need to make an urgent decision. Maybe soon, Nintendo will see that there is no other choice but to come to peace with the saying, "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em."

    What do you think? Should Nintendo release their games on the iOS platform for iPhone, iPod touch, and iPad? Share in the comments below!

    Sources: Apple Insider
    This article was originally published in forum thread: iOS is 'PWNING' Nintendo's Profits started by Anthony Bouchard View original post
    Comments 78 Comments
    1. ChSchuldiner's Avatar
      ChSchuldiner -
      Quote Originally Posted by Rokesomesmeefer View Post
      The use of Steve Jobs photos like this just feels wrong anymore. Going forward, you really should start using photos of someone else to cover up bad reporting...
      Good reporting in my opinion. Facts are facts.

      Yes, Nintendo should consult the App Store with their games.
    1. Nintendo Tim's Avatar
      Nintendo Tim -
      Wow, is eveyone this hellbent on having Nintendo release their games for iOS? I see at least one "Nintendo on iOS?" article a month around the internet.

      Apple is giving companies a run for their money, but are they directly affecting Nintendo's profits? Absolutely not. People still want that tactile feedback, so they're going to want something with gusto. The (3)DS(i) and PSP/Vita are excellent platforms for gamers, because they have the actual buttons. You can't be fiddling around with a touchscreen to make quick, complex button presses for games.

      The home consoles - Xbox, PS3 and Wii - have a HUGE installed base collectively, and home consoles remain incredibly popular. Nintendo has a poor financial outlook and announced a huge loss simply because the Wii isn't printing money like it used to (Wii U, anyone?) and the 3DS is a terrible platform; launched at a ridiculous price, absolutely no games save for remakes, and the only thing "new" that's coming out before the year's end is Mario. They have cancelled games left and right on the system because of a poor adoption rate (ex. Ubisoft took AC: Lost Legacy and essentially fused it into Revelations).

      Asking Nintendo to put their games on iOS is like asking Apple to put their OSes on platforms other than their own. They don't want to do it, they keep the moniez all their own, and the only way to get it on other platforms is through means that the companies hate (R4 chips and OSX86-ing, respectively).
    1. Agent929's Avatar
      Agent929 -
      Well you can always get the emulators. Those seem to work pretty good.

      Quote Originally Posted by Nintendo Tim View Post
      Wow, is eveyone this hellbent on having Nintendo release their games for iOS? I see at least one "Nintendo on iOS?" article a month around the internet.

      Apple is giving companies a run for their money, but are they directly affecting Nintendo's profits? Absolutely not. People still want that tactile feedback, so they're going to want something with gusto. The (3)DS(i) and PSP/Vita are excellent platforms for gamers, because they have the actual buttons. You can't be fiddling around with a touchscreen to make quick, complex button presses for games.

      The home consoles - Xbox, PS3 and Wii - have a HUGE installed base collectively, and home consoles remain incredibly popular. Nintendo has a poor financial outlook and announced a huge loss simply because the Wii isn't printing money like it used to (Wii U, anyone?) and the 3DS is a terrible platform; launched at a ridiculous price, absolutely no games save for remakes, and the only thing "new" that's coming out before the year's end is Mario. They have cancelled games left and right on the system because of a poor adoption rate (ex. Ubisoft took AC: Lost Legacy and essentially fused it into Revelations).

      Asking Nintendo to put their games on iOS is like asking Apple to put their OSes on platforms other than their own. They don't want to do it, they keep the moniez all their own, and the only way to get it on other platforms is through means that the companies hate (R4 chips and OSX86-ing, respectively).
      I would say yes they are affecting its profits along with other companies. I'm not 100% sure but I think CNN said that iOS is the most popular gaming platform. To me that indicates profit loss for other gaming companies.
    1. Rokesomesmeefer's Avatar
      Rokesomesmeefer -
      Quote Originally Posted by ChSchuldiner View Post
      Good reporting in my opinion. Facts are facts.

      Yes, Nintendo should consult the App Store with their games.
      We're all entitled to our opinions. Facts, on the other hand, are a different story entirely. I stopped reading when, in the first paragraph, "facts" such as "...the iPhone 4, which cost less than the Nintendo 3DS..." and "No one wanted to buy $30+ game cartridges anymore." were tossed about.

      Perhaps Mr. Bouchard would care to explain on what these "facts" are based? My own research yields the following:

      1. Sure, a brand new iPhone 4S starts at $199 and an iPhone 4 starts at $149, however, thse figures are completely bogus because, as we all know, those prices require a 2-year contract with a large mobile carrier:

      AT&T
      • iPhone 4S 16GB - $199 w/ 2-year contract
      • 450 Minutes Talk - $39.99/mo (MINIMUM)
      • 200MB Data - $15/mo (MINIMUM)
      • Total cost of ownership: $1,518.76
      Verizon
      • iPhone 4S 16GB - $199 w/ 2-year contract
      • 450 Minutes Talk - $39.99/mo (MINIMUM)
      • 2GB Data - $30/mo (MINIMUM)
      • Total cost of ownership: $1,878.76
      Sprint
      • iPhone 4S 16GB - $199
      • 450 Minutes Talk & Unlimited Data - $69.99/mo (MINIMUM)
      • "Premium Data" - $10/mo (REQUIRED)
      • Total cost of ownership: $2,118.76

      And before you think of replying with "but you could buy an iPhone 4 for $149 or an iPhone 3GS for $99", be prepared for a response of "and I could buy a Nintendo DSi or a DS as well."

      2. If "No one wanted to buy $30+ game cartridges anymore," please explain how Nintendo manages to sell any games at all. I can find at least 10 people locally whom have all purchased at least 1 Nintendo game cartridge within the last 3 months and many that have purchased more than 1.

      I'm sure there might be an actual fact somewhere in this article, but right from the get-go, the "facts" are nothing but bogus drivel. I won't argue that iOS is certainly affecting the profits of portable console makers. However, this article has absolutely no merit in my opinion.

      This article is YET another example of the sensationalist "reporting" that has become nearly 100% the standard at ModMyI. Granted, there are some good articles posted by some "editors", but 9 out of 10 are simply not worth reading. I only stick around because I hope that someday somebody will finally fix this problem.
    1. thetoothfairy's Avatar
      thetoothfairy -
      Nintendo acting like Verizon did where did it get Verizon when Apple ask them to take on the iPhone?

      If Super Mario came out I would buy it the minute it was released.
    1. Anthony Bouchard's Avatar
      Anthony Bouchard -
      Quote Originally Posted by Rokesomesmeefer View Post
      We're all entitled to our opinions. Facts, on the other hand, are a different story entirely. I stopped reading when, in the first paragraph, "facts" such as "...the iPhone 4, which cost less than the Nintendo 3DS..." and "No one wanted to buy $30+ game cartridges anymore." were tossed about.

      Perhaps Mr. Bouchard would care to explain on what these "facts" are based? My own research yields the following:

      1. Sure, a brand new iPhone 4S starts at $199 and an iPhone 4 starts at $149, however, thse figures are completely bogus because, as we all know, those prices require a 2-year contract with a large mobile carrier:

      AT&T
      • iPhone 4S 16GB - $199 w/ 2-year contract
      • 450 Minutes Talk - $39.99/mo (MINIMUM)
      • 200MB Data - $15/mo (MINIMUM)
      • Total cost of ownership: $1,518.76
      Verizon
      • iPhone 4S 16GB - $199 w/ 2-year contract
      • 450 Minutes Talk - $39.99/mo (MINIMUM)
      • 2GB Data - $30/mo (MINIMUM)
      • Total cost of ownership: $1,878.76
      Sprint
      • iPhone 4S 16GB - $199
      • 450 Minutes Talk & Unlimited Data - $69.99/mo (MINIMUM)
      • "Premium Data" - $10/mo (REQUIRED)
      • Total cost of ownership: $2,118.76

      And before you think of replying with "but you could buy an iPhone 4 for $149 or an iPhone 3GS for $99", be prepared for a response of "and I could buy a Nintendo DSi or a DS as well."

      2. If "No one wanted to buy $30+ game cartridges anymore," please explain how Nintendo manages to sell any games at all. I can find at least 10 people locally whom have all purchased at least 1 Nintendo game cartridge within the last 3 months and many that have purchased more than 1.

      I'm sure there might be an actual fact somewhere in this article, but right from the get-go, the "facts" are nothing but bogus drivel. I won't argue that iOS is certainly affecting the profits of portable console makers. However, this article has absolutely no merit in my opinion.

      This article is YET another example of the sensationalist "reporting" that has become nearly 100% the standard at ModMyI. Granted, there are some good articles posted by some "editors", but 9 out of 10 are simply not worth reading. I only stick around because I hope that someday somebody will finally fix this problem.
      Well for one, I was talking about the iPod touch as well. Which costs $199.

      Article is about iOS devices. Not iPhone exclusively. You should have read on. Besides, the device (iPhone 4) itself costs $199. The data that you pay on the side is paid to AT&T. That isn't correlated to paying for the iPhone. You can cancel your service if you want, and you'll still own the iPhone 4 for just $199.

      Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Bouchard View Post
      ...Why? The iPod touch and the iPhone 4, which used to cost less than the Nintendo 3DS....
      All that I said is that Nintendo reduced their price to compete more with more popular handhelds. I didn't say that, "The iPhone is cheaper than the Nintendo 3DS" I didn't even imply that. You misread it. The Nintendo 3DS used to cost more than the iPod touch, or the iPhone 4. They had to reduce the price.
    1. Rokesomesmeefer's Avatar
      Rokesomesmeefer -
      Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Bouchard View Post
      ..All that I said is that Nintendo reduced their price to compete more with more popular handhelds. I didn't say that, "The iPhone is cheaper than the Nintendo 3DS" I didn't even imply that. You misread it.
      I appreciate that you try to defend yourself, but you're going to have to come up with something better that. I quoted exactly what you said, and you said EXACTLY that the iPhone 4 cost less than the Nintendo 3DS. Even in the context of the entire paragraph, it means EXACTLY that:

      Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Bouchard View Post
      It was shortly after the release of the Nintendo 3DS that Nintendo had to downsize the price. Why? The iPod touch and the iPhone 4, which cost less than the Nintendo 3DS, proved to be a more popular gaming solution than any game that Nintendo game creators could whip up. No one wanted to buy $30+ game cartridges anymore. The future is here, and Apple saw that it would mean downloadable content would be the mainstream way to carry games with us.
      So you mean to say that your inclusion of "iPhone 4" in the second sentence of that paragraph was not intended to imply that it is cheaper than a 3DS? And you mean for us to believe that?
    1. Anthony Bouchard's Avatar
      Anthony Bouchard -
      Quote Originally Posted by Rokesomesmeefer View Post
      I appreciate that you try to defend yourself, but you're going to have to come up with something better that. I quoted exactly what you said, and you said EXACTLY that the iPhone 4 cost less than the Nintendo 3DS. Even in the context of the entire paragraph, it means EXACTLY that:



      So you mean to say that your inclusion of "iPhone 4" in the second sentence of that paragraph was not intended to imply that it is cheaper than a 3DS? And you mean for us to believe that?
      Again you're pulling a red herring and speaking only of the iPhone. The article was intended for iOS platform devices all around, including the iPod touch. If you cannot be reasonable I will not try to help you understand the article.
    1. Rokesomesmeefer's Avatar
      Rokesomesmeefer -
      Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Bouchard View Post
      Again you're pulling a red herring and speaking only of the iPhone. The article was intended for iOS platform devices all around, including the iPod touch. If you cannot be reasonable I will not try to help you understand the article.
      Ok, let's be "reasonable" then. Reason dictates the there are only 3 out of 4 iOS devices that could compete with portable game consoles as a gaming platform: iPod Touch, iPhone, and iPad. Of those, only 1 could be considered cheaper than a 3DS: iPod Touch. So do you now mean to imply, with this last response, that you are referring to "iOS platform devices all around." That would be rather unreasonable.

      Is it unreasonable to ask that you do a little research and proper editing before posting an "article"? I don't think so, and no "reasonable" person would disagree.
    1. Anthony Bouchard's Avatar
      Anthony Bouchard -
      Quote Originally Posted by Rokesomesmeefer View Post
      Ok, let's be "reasonable" then. Reason dictates the there are only 3 out of 4 iOS devices that could compete with portable game consoles as a gaming platform: iPod Touch, iPhone, and iPad. Of those, only 1 could be considered cheaper than a 3DS: iPod Touch. So do you now mean to imply, with this last response, that you are referring to "iOS platform devices all around." That would be rather unreasonable.

      Is it unreasonable to ask that you do a little research and proper editing before posting an "article"? I don't think so, and no "reasonable" person would disagree.
      I am giving up on your logic. Because the iPhone 4S and iPod touch cost $199. That is the device paid for. The contract on the iPhone doesn't correlate to the device itself, it correlates to the service. If you cancel the service, you still own your iPhone for whatever you paid for it. The research you are referring to is misguided. It's not hard to understand that $249 > $199. Nintendo needed to slice that price down to $169 to compete with the $199 superior devices.

      No further comments.
    1. teej1410's Avatar
      teej1410 -
      Quote Originally Posted by hogcia View Post
      I think that most iOS games SUCK when compared to dsi & psp games, they are simply not deep & feel cheap. Nintendo & Sony need a portable system that comes with there own version of an AppStore, where we can conveniently buy games. They need to get with the times! Duh
      I agree that most iOS games aren't that great compared to Nintendo and Sony games. Most of the games on iOS are simple like doodle jump and angry birds. I'm not saying that games on iOS are bad. Doodle jump and Angry birds are fun, especially for a buck. Nintendo and Sony release big games that can be played for a long time like Gran Turismo or Legend of Zelda. I just don't see me playing Doodle Jump for longer than 15 minutes. Now there are good games for iOS like Infinity Blade or Modern Combat but most iOS games need a regular controller, not a touch screen control.
    1. Rokesomesmeefer's Avatar
      Rokesomesmeefer -
      Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Bouchard View Post
      I am giving up on your logic. Because the iPhone 4S and iPod touch cost $199. That is the device paid for. The contract on the iPhone doesn't correlate to the device itself, it correlates to the service. If you cancel the service, you still own your iPhone for whatever you paid for it. The research you are referring to is misguided. It's not hard to understand that $249 > $199. Nintendo needed to slice that price down to $169 to compete with the $199 superior devices.

      No further comments.
      Really? Please, do tell, where I can find an iPhone, brand new, for $199 without a mobile service contract. Are you seriously that ignorant to how cell phone contracts and subsidized phone costs work? Surely you jest. Yes, you'll own your phone - after you've already paid back the rest of the cost that the carrier subsidized. Do you honestly believe that phone service for 2 years should cost between $1,500 and $2,000? If you do, there's this bridge that I just know you'll love!!!

      Go buy a 3DS. You own it NOW for the price you paid. Not in 2 years. Not after getting charged $350+ for breaking contract early. NOW.

      Your closing,"No further comments." may possibly be the best advice you could give yourself, because the more you try to defend your blindingly obvious lack of reporting skills, the worse you look. I, on the other hand, will refrain from responding to you any further as I've lost interest in parading your ignorance. I think I've proven my point rather well. No sense in kicking a dead horse.

      Please, ModMyI, fire this guy. You might win back some of the audience you've lost thanks to ignorance such as his.
    1. 143voltron's Avatar
      143voltron -
      Quote Originally Posted by Rokesomesmeefer View Post
      Really? Please, do tell, where I can find an iPhone, brand new, for $199 without a mobile service contract. Are you seriously that ignorant to how cell phone contracts and subsidized phone costs work? Surely you jest. Yes, you'll own your phone - after you've already paid back the rest of the cost that the carrier subsidized. Do you honestly believe that phone service for 2 years should cost between $1,500 and $2,000? If you do, there's this bridge that I just know you'll love!!!

      Go buy a 3DS. You own it NOW for the price you paid. Not in 2 years. Not after getting charged $350+ for breaking contract early. NOW.

      Your closing,"No further comments." may possibly be the best advice you could give yourself, because the more you try to defend your blindingly obvious lack of reporting skills, the worse you look. I, on the other hand, will refrain from responding to you any further as I've lost interest in parading your ignorance. I think I've proven my point rather well. No sense in kicking a dead horse.

      Please, ModMyI, fire this guy. You might win back some of the audience you've lost thanks to ignorance such as his.
      I totally agree with you Roke.

      When an article is written you have to state the fact (numbers, resources, etc) compare and let us make a desicion. The article clearly has a one sided bias to it.

      Don't write just to write, I also use to come here often and read the news, but it got to the point where I notice that the noobs where writing/fabricating news.
    1. Doran's Avatar
      Doran -
      Wow.... This got a bit out of hand...
    1. Rokesomesmeefer's Avatar
      Rokesomesmeefer -
      Quote Originally Posted by Doran View Post
      I think you forgot about the iPod Touches.... They don't require a contract....
      I think you missed the point.

    1. Doran's Avatar
      Doran -
      I finished reading..... Then edited my post....
    1. Cucumbijuana's Avatar
      Cucumbijuana -
      Yes! Nintendo should definately port games to iDevices. Zelda Four Swords Anniversary Edition would be 20 times more playable on iOS devices because just about everyone has one. I can also see the Mario games being on iOS. Like Super Mario 64. Instead, call it Super Mario iOS, or Super Mario i.
    1. ChSchuldiner's Avatar
      ChSchuldiner -
      Quote Originally Posted by Rokesomesmeefer View Post
      Really? Please, do tell, where I can find an iPhone, brand new, for $199 without a mobile service contract. Are you seriously that ignorant to how cell phone contracts and subsidized phone costs work?
      You must have missed the part where he said, "If you cancel the service, you still own your iPhone for whatever you paid for it." He didn't say buy the iPhone without a contract. durr
    1. Rokesomesmeefer's Avatar
      Rokesomesmeefer -
      Quote Originally Posted by ChSchuldiner View Post
      You must have missed the part where he said, "If you cancel the service, you still own your iPhone for whatever you paid for it." He didn't say buy the iPhone without a contract. durr
      Seriously, read the whole conversation. If you would still make the same comment after reading ALL of it, then you, sir, are just as ignorant as he is.
    1. ChSchuldiner's Avatar
      ChSchuldiner -
      Quote Originally Posted by Rokesomesmeefer View Post
      Seriously, read the whole conversation. If you would still make the same comment after reading ALL of it, then you, sir, are just as ignorant as he is.
      lol I read the whole thing. All I see is a whiny little baby (you) that aggresses everyone that believes against your opinion. Your opinion isn't fact, and the fact they disagree with you doesn't make them ignorant. You need to lay off and take anger management.